List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[St Neil]

Good luck to whoever pays this bloke an 11 year contract worth more than $25m.

I reckon he is massively overhyped. Cashing in ASAP would be a smart move.

 

[Straight Outta Crompton]

Off question, but the way Caro constantly stretches out the name Mileeeera, does anyone at your club pronounce it that way? Our Milera is just plain old Mill-er-ah, is it a stubborn Caro thing or is there a basis to it? Constant bother to me when I assume she butchers his name every single damn time

 

[Dr Spaceman]

 

[Sully111]

Wilson deserved to be dropped. End of story.

Well it should be.

But we now live in a precious everyone gets a trophy world and the pandering to players will only continue to increase imo.

I'm not saying there's validity to boofhead's "story", but I'm noticing a trend.

As far as Nas goes, it's all well and good to just say it's all on my manager but at some point he needs to step in and say I'm ready to sign, regardless if almighty big brother champion says you can bleed 'em for a bit more.

In fairness to Nas though, the narrative around him grows by the week. When you've got Buddy Franklin saying you're one of the top few players in the comp, that will get him thinking, along with (as I and others have said before) the money being offered to players outside the club.

I wonder if 1.4 would have had him signed up 3 months ago. In business making early solid decisions (I'm talking about the club here) can often produce a better result than trying to be too clever.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Off question, but the way Caro constantly stretches out the name Mileeeera, does anyone at your club pronounce it that way? Our Milera is just plain old Mill-er-ah, is it a stubborn Caro thing or is there a basis to it? Constant bother to me when I assume she butchers his name every single damn time

Terry Milera (step dad) was pronounced that way

 

[ARCHIE66]

If that story about Wilson is true it pisses me off a lot. Mate your a second year player in shit form and deserve to be dropped, you have no accomplishments and your in no way way bigger than the club. Go back and work on your deficiencies because we all know you have the potential to be a gun but don’t sit there and whine go back and do the ****ing work like get a hard ball firstly.

 

[akaifu]

Off question, but the way Caro constantly stretches out the name Mileeeera, does anyone at your club pronounce it that way? Our Milera is just plain old Mill-er-ah, is it a stubborn Caro thing or is there a basis to it? Constant bother to me when I assume she butchers his name every single damn time

I'm pretty sure Ross actually pronounces it the way Caro does

 

[Diehard Saint]

If that story about Wilson is true it pisses me off a lot. Mate you’re a second year player in shit form and deserve to be dropped, you have no accomplishments and you’re in no way way bigger than the club. Go back and work on your deficiencies because we all know you have the potential to be a gun but don’t sit there and whine go back and do the ****ing work like get a hard ball firstly.

It’s Damo….

 

[Diehard Saint]

I'm pretty sure Ross actually pronounces it the way Caro does

Yeah, but he also says Saint Kilda, so…..

 

[Ads734]

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Wilson deserved to be dropped. End of story.

Well it should be.

But we now live in a precious everyone gets a trophy world and the pandering to players will only continue to increase imo.

I'm not saying there's validity to boofhead's "story", but I'm noticing a trend.

As far as Nas goes, it's all well and good to just say it's all on my manager but at some point he needs to step in and say I'm ready to sign, regardless if almighty big brother champion says you can bleed 'em for a bit more.

In fairness to Nas though, the narrative around him grows by the week. When you've got Buddy Franklin saying you're one of the top few players in the comp, that will get him thinking, along with (as I and others have said before) the money being offered to players outside the club.

I wonder if 1.4 would have had him signed up 3 months ago. In business making early solid decisions (I'm talking about the club here) can often produce a better result than trying to be too clever.

hink the question should be , based on what Caro said. If TDK was not in the equation would he have signed by now ?

 

[akaifu]

Yeah, but he also says Saint Kilda, so…..

And he says phillipoo instead of phillipou lol

 

[Speck]

I think the club also doesn't want to give Nas too big a contract for the next couple of years if he's only signing a short term deal.

2 years on $1.4m then an option for $2m beyond that will help our chances later down the track.

 

[austinnn]

100%, Nas' value is increasing by the minute, his manager knows that and will milk us for every penny. If we're paying TDk 1.7 mil a year, I'd happily cough up 2 mil a year for NWM. If he plays a full season in the midfield this year then he's a genuine brownlow contender.

Absolutely. He looks like a modern version of Andy McLeod to me and I think if he stays he could finish as one of St Kilda's greatest ever. Not sure if his motivation is to make the most out of his game, or just play to a reasonably high level near his family. Got to make it clear how he could be not just another Jack Steven but another Joel Selwood/Dustin Martin. He has got another 50-60 years to anonymously hang out with his family in SA and can still be part of AFL folklore, which won't happen to the same degree if he moves to Port now. Big test for SOS and Ross to sell him the dream.

 

[Teflon]

Luke Hodge is 1 of the dumbest campaigners getting around
Great player
Shocking footy analyst - lazy, does zero work outside Hawks and Lions just a bottom feeder
Cornes agreed with Hodge violently ….sat next to Roo when he made the point “people who say list is the same haven’t done the work..” and shut his mouth
These fck heads pay zero attention to our club except ladder position and doing shit
It’s EXACTLY why the AFL media needs an overhaul badly

 

[TheJackal]

Doubt it's Nas holding out much, feels like classic manager games. Ben Williams probably has his eye on a new car or something.

Probably still trying to impress Gretel

 

[Teflon]

It’s B Williams screwing the club over have that on v good authority
As others have said though ….IF Nas wants to play in a genuine Saints finals/premier contending outfit at some stage he has to step in and say “enough”
I’m a massive fan but no longer interested in 1 player messiah clubs when we need quality across multiple lines…
And have Zero interest in Harley Reid - imo he’s overrated and nowhere near that kinda coin fck me that’s Daicos territory and he ain’t that…

 

[_Maximus_12]

Journalism gets better by the day

 

[L_W_P]

That’s my point the afl have created this situation and they intend to expand on it. The players are simply taking advantage of the situation.

I didn’t say I liked it just that I don’t blame the players and that I don’t think they owe the clubs anything. Take Reid as an example, it was WC who chose to hang onto the pick and draft a Victorian kid. Reid has gone over played well for a kid and now he’s shopping for the best deal for him.

The AFL didn't push for this. The AFLPA did.

The players want more freedom to move clubs, shop around, get better deals etc They see what happens at the top end of US sports and want to replicate that without taking on any of the 'negative' aspects like forced trades or non guaranteed contracts.

The AFL agreed to FA as part of the CBA in exchange for the players taking less revenue %

Make no mistake, we will eventually get to a point that almost every out of contract player will have some sort of FA rights and clubs will be offering 10 year deals as the norm, knowing they can always trade the player/contract if it doesn't work out.

 

[jwikked]

The AFL didn't push for this. The AFLPA did.

The players want more freedom to move clubs, shop around, get better deals etc They see what happens at the top end of US sports and want to replicate that without taking on any of the 'negative' aspects like forced trades or non guaranteed contracts.

The AFL agreed to FA as part of the CBA in exchange for the players taking less revenue %

Make no mistake, we will eventually get to a point that almost every out of contract player will have some sort of FA rights and clubs will be offering 10 year deals as the norm, knowing they can always trade the player/contract if it doesn't work out.

Wish clubs would exercise more power over the players. Contracts now aren’t worth anything.

The national draft isn’t national. You have 17 year olds dictating what clubs they’re willing to go to.

It’s a joke.

 

[austinnn]

That’s my point the afl have created this situation and they intend to expand on it. The players are simply taking advantage of the situation.

I didn’t say I liked it just that I don’t blame the players and that I don’t think they owe the clubs anything. Take Reid as an example, it was WC who chose to hang onto the pick and draft a Victorian kid. Reid has gone over played well for a kid and now he’s shopping for the best deal for him.

When you think about it, it's so crazy that to be an AFL player, you have to play for the first two years at whatever club selects you, you have no say in it at all, even if you are an 18 y.o. kid who's never left home before and a club on the other side of the continent drafts you.

Then we fans act like this player is our birthright and try to lock him away in our dungeon and if he ever makes noise about leaving, we treat him like he sold military secrets to the Nazis.

Something a bit twisted about the whole thing really.

I know it's probably the fairest system there could be and no one forces players to enter the draft and they are well compensated, but you can see why some succeed and some don't.

Not for the faint hearted.

 

[Ricmel]

I was not a fan of Lyon being reappointed as coach - it felt like a back to the future moment to me. I did think that maybe the one big advantage would be he would help attraction and retention of talent.

It hasn't panned out that way. Battle leaving, multiple big offers rejected. If NAS goes, to me the question becomes what has Lyon gained us? Certainly not meaningful onfield improvement. Not attraction, not retention, not a modern brand of football.

It almost feels existential.

 

[stavro#4]

I think the club also doesn't want to give Nas too big a contract for the next couple of years if he's only signing a short term deal.

2 years on $1.4m then an option for $2m beyond that will help our chances later down the track.

Caro said our offer matches the SA offers. So his average over a 7-8 year deal would be 1.4m

 

[jwikked]

When you think about it, it's so crazy that to be an AFL player, you have to play for the first two years at whatever club selects you, you have no say in it at all, even if you are an 18 y.o. kid who's never left home before and a club on the other side of the continent drafts you.

Then we fans act like this player is our birthright and try to lock him away in our dungeon and if he ever makes noise about leaving, we treat him like he sold military secrets to the Nazis.

Something a bit twisted about the whole thing really.

I know it's probably the fairest system there could be and no one forces players to enter the draft and they are well compensated, but you can see why some succeed and some don't.

Not for the faint hearted.

If they don’t want to leave their home state, they shouldn’t enter the National Draft. It’s as simple as that

 

[stavro#4]

When you think about it, it's so crazy that to be an AFL player, you have to play for the first two years at whatever club selects you, you have no say in it at all, even if you are an 18 y.o. kid who's never left home before and a club on the other side of the continent drafts you.

Then we fans act like this player is our birthright and try to lock him away in our dungeon and if he ever makes noise about leaving, we treat him like he sold military secrets to the Nazis.

Something a bit twisted about the whole thing really.

I know it's probably the fairest system there could be and no one forces players to enter the draft and they are well compensated, but you can see why some succeed and some don't.

Not for the faint hearted.

Whilst getting paid more money than the majority of people in this country and effectively working 3-4 days a week.

If you can call kicking a football hitting the gym and watching a few videos or signing some autographs - “work”.

There is an absolute trade off for the privilege of that. You might be sent to Adelaide or Fremantle or Brisbane etc.

But it’s hardly this horrible twisted system. Like you don’t need to play AFL football if you just want to stay home around your core group - plenty of players have done that too.

 

[stavro#4]

Luke Hodge is 1 of the dumbest campaigners getting around
Great player
Shocking footy analyst - lazy, does zero work outside Hawks and Lions just a bottom feeder
Cornes agreed with Hodge violently ….sat next to Roo when he made the point “people who say list is the same haven’t done the work..” and shut his mouth
These fck heads pay zero attention to our club except ladder position and doing shit
It’s EXACTLY why the AFL media needs an overhaul badly

Rooey said that Hodgey just went in to defend his mate.

That’s all this is about. Obviously Ratten is still offended for his mates to feel like they need to say something still