List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Kane McGoodwin]

How we stand now

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Taylor likely joins Bond in signing an extension, as was rumoured a week or two ago. Most likely announced tomorrow.

That leaves Tex and Burgess. I fully expect the club to give Tex a week or two to make his decision, and Burgess is likely linked to it. Tex retires, Burgess gets another year. Tex goes on, Burgess is delisted.

Tex retiring leaves us with 5 senior list spots, if he stays we have 4.

Burgess is just not AFL standard, so hopefully Tex plays on... even if he only plays half the games as his teaching of young forwards is invaluable.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Are there any rumblings on this?

Tex can take his time.

 

[Cromulant]

Burgess is just not AFL standard, so hopefully Tex plays on... even if he only plays half the games as his teaching of young forwards is invaluable.

Will he want that ??

And most importantly can we trust the coaching staff to use him in that way ??

Im torn, because IMO we need to change the forward structure and I dont know if we are brave enough to do so with him still around. But, as you say.... 12 or 14 games of a fit Tex is better than most.

I can foresee a Hawkins-like final year next year.

 

[adelaidecrows]

As has been noted, Murphy was entirely predictable.

I doubt we'll have 5-6 picks at the ND. The changes to date have only created 2x senior (Murphy & Crouch), 1x Cat A rookie (Schoenberg) and 1x Cat B rookie (Gallagher) list vacancies. Note that Strachan's position has already been filled by McAndrew and Cotton effectively replaces Gallagher (with still room for 1 more Cat B rookie should we find one).

The club is likely to add Ah Chee to the list, and is actively hunting for gun midfielders - the media reported yesterday that we have thrown our hats into the ring for both Merrett and Petracca. Even if we trade 1 or 2 players out (e.g. Butts & Sholl) with Smith & Tex retiring, we still won't have enough vacancies for more than 3-4 new draftees.

I agree that it was totally predictable and I'm not surprised he was delisted. He deserved it. I was merely thinking that clearly Nick's rated him and I was had a nagging thought this might have given him another year. That's all. I had the same thought with McHenry.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Tex can take his time.

No need to rush the decision really.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

How we stand now

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Taylor likely joins Bond in signing an extension, as was rumoured a week or two ago. Most likely announced tomorrow.

That leaves Tex and Burgess. I fully expect the club to give Tex a week or two to make his decision, and Burgess is likely linked to it. Tex retires, Burgess gets another year. Tex goes on, Burgess is delisted.

Tex retiring leaves us with 5 senior list spots, if he stays we have 4.

Burgess should be gone regardless

 

[1970crow]

Huh?

Petracca isn't a first possession midfielder? Jeez - I dont know why I even bother with you.

In 2025 - a year that has been acknowledged as a down year for Petracca - he was #7 in the AFL for centre clearances. Dawson was #33.

You’re prone to the odd brain fade too though. Clearances aren’t necessarily first possession, Petracca is 50th for 1st possessions from stoppages. Still 5 ahead of Dawson, but nowhere near the top 10 in the league.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Huh?

Petracca isn't a first possession midfielder? Jeez - I dont know why I even bother with you.

In 2025 - a year that has been acknowledged as a down year for Petracca - he was #7 in the AFL for centre clearances. Dawson was #33.

Once again, a misuse of stats ....or daresay a misunderstanding of midfielder roles

Clearance numbers overall, don't factor between 1st possession (coalface) .....and 1st receiver numbers

Dawson is a first receiver, as is Petracca ....Laird, as was Crouch, were 1st possession players, the extractors

Not sure how Bailey helps our weakness ....sure, he's a quality player, but he's not even in BRIS's starting midfield

We need Draper to have a big PS

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Peak Petracca is better than our current crop at stoppage. Just. But peak Petracca also attended a lot more stoppages per match than our current group who rotate a bit more. Peak Petracca was excellent, but clearances weren't his one wood.

Current Petracca is no better than what we currently have at this specific job.

Do I think he's probably going to be better next year than this year? Yep. Do I think he'd make us better if we got him? Yep. Do I think we should chase him? Yeah, depending on cost and other options.

But I think we have a clear deficiency in our midfield group that was exposed at the back end of the season, and that's not something Petracca's particularly strong at, not to mention his lack of defensive running means to have him in a midfield group you need to set up around him with some strong defensive options or clubs will get out easily.

It'd be like the Bulldogs, a club who are thin on quality key defenders, but the ones they do have are reasonable interceptors and distributors and they just struggle one-on-one, chasing Mark Keane. He'd probably make them better because he's a good player, but his strengths aren't what they're weak in, and his weaknesses aren't ones they'd be well equipped to cover. They'd probably get more benefit out of a Jordon Butts type than Keane, even though Keane's a better player and if asked to, he can play a lockdown role.

We want Trac being the one to exit the stoppage, not the one to distribute. If we ask him to be the distributor, we're taking him away from his strengths. I'd suggest if we get him we'd still need to look at surrounding him with a solid extractor and a solid defensive mid (I think Peatling can do this).



Yeah, I'm not really sure why we relied on long down the line. My feeling would be that it wasn't the plan, but the bail out when the plan wasn't working. I imagine our desired style and ball movement was restricted effectively by the opposition so we had to resort to 50/50s. Which probably is in and of itself the issue - because we're a weak stoppage size, the bail out down the line option that clubs go to when they're not going so well hurts us even more.

Yes, I think we probably need a first possession player. Obviously those guys/Libba/Newc/Neale types would be nice. Even guys like Parish. But we may need to find it from within or get creative (who's out there who could do that role well, but is stuck behind a better distributor/s at their own club). That said, if Greg Swann gets his way stoppages could be reduced enough that the importance first possession has on winning is diminished & we could get away with it being a weakness.

Guys like Davies @ GC, Tsatas @ Essendon, Sheldrick @ Sydney could be those guys, all limited and have issues but have shown strong signs of being a useful distributor. Rowbottom I reckon could be redirected from a defensive mid into it too. Or we might find it internally.

Good assessment Skippos ..... Parish & Tsatas are really poor kicks though ....and the criticism on Parish, in addition, was his lack of defensive running ....something we can ill afford

What's your thoughts on Berry ?

 

[sirpablo]

Will he want that ??

And most importantly can we trust the coaching staff to use him in that way ??

Im torn, because IMO we need to change the forward structure and I dont know if we are brave enough to do so with him still around. But, as you say.... 12 or 14 games of a fit Tex is better than most.

I can foresee a Hawkins-like final year next year.

That's what I'm concerned about. If he is happy to be a backup, then I think re-signing him is a great option, but I get the impression we'll end up playing all 3 talls and that isn't the model that works in finals.

 

[spenze]

Tex won't play as a back up, it is either all in or out if Tex goes round again. Talk this year was him being out for at least 5 games and lets face it, if his 300 would have been a home game in the H&A, he wouldn't have missed the WC game.

It isn't a criticism of Tex, if it was me, I'd want to play every game too but he isn't going to take a "Smithers" role next year or rest half the games, it will stuff our structure up, it's either all in or not.

 

[Skippos]

Good assessment Skippos ..... Parish & Tsatas are really poor kicks though ....and the criticism on Parish, in addition, was his lack of defensive running ....something we can ill afford

What's your thoughts on Berry ?

Yes, both are really poor kicks. But so were Fyfe and Dangerfield.

We’re obviously not going to recruit Darcy Parish, but with good coaching and system you can get players to stay in their lanes a bit better. With better outside players around a distributor and clear instructions on their job, their kicking doesn’t need to be a liability.

Tsatas is a really weird one - seemed more outside as a junior and at AFL level they’ve leant into that a bit more and he’s been ordinary and can’t kick. At AFL level he’s a solid height and deceptively good at extracting and making the right choice - there’s a player there if you work around the deficiencies.

Berry unfortunately does not look like he’s it. This is meant to be his trick and even then he underperforms.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

Is Henry Hustwaite worth an ask for a cheap get from hawks? 21 years old, 195cm mid, loves to tackle, finds heaps of ball in VFL. Seems to get lots a clearances too. Will struggle even more to get into hawks mids with merret if they get him too?

 

[Carn The Texan]

Is Henry Hustwaite worth an ask for a cheap get from hawks? 21 years old, 195cm mid, loves to tackle, finds heaps of ball in VFL. Seems to get lots a clearances too. Will struggle even more to get into hawks mids with merret if they get him too?

He's very, very slow.

 

[Redline]

If Tex decides to play on then so be it but I think it's about rubbish that we need him for leadership and to direct the forward line

Campo was saying on radio that Tex can continue to mentor Fog. He will be 26 next year and after 8 years together I doubt there is much more he can pass on that he couldn't do in an off field role.

We have enough experience with Keys, ANB probably Archee coming in. Rankine and Rachelle aren't the type you want being told where to stand.

If he plays on then it should be due to on field performances.

 

[Slim258]

If Tex decides to play on then so be it but I think it's about rubbish that we need him for leadership and to direct the forward line

Campo was saying on radio that Tex can continue to mentor Fog. He will be 26 next year and after 8 years together I doubt there is much more he can pass on that he couldn't do in an off field role.

We have enough experience with Keys, ANB probably Archee coming in. Rankine and Rachelle aren't the type you want being told where to stand.

If he plays on then it should be due to on field performances.

Agreed - it's time for Fogarty to take over that role.

 

[Crow-eater]

Taylor 1 year and Bond 2 years

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yes, both are really poor kicks. But so were Fyfe and Dangerfield.

We’re obviously not going to recruit Darcy Parish, but with good coaching and system you can get players to stay in their lanes a bit better. With better outside players around a distributor and clear instructions on their job, their kicking doesn’t need to be a liability.

Tsatas is a really weird one - seemed more outside as a junior and at AFL level they’ve leant into that a bit more and he’s been ordinary and can’t kick. At AFL level he’s a solid height and deceptively good at extracting and making the right choice - there’s a player there if you work around the deficiencies.

Berry unfortunately does not look like he’s it. This is meant to be his trick and even then he underperforms.

Agreed ...

Tsatas wasn't that bad in the games he played this year, kicking though .....it was almost as if ESS was resigned to him leaving at year's end, because they simply refused to play him ....and when the did, his TOG was around the 55%

What is his tank like ?

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Taylor 1 year and Bond 2 years

1 year deal interesting

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Burgess is just not AFL standard, so hopefully Tex plays on... even if he only plays half the games as his teaching of young forwards is invaluable.

Yeah this is it for me. Can we convince Tex to go around another year if he knows there’s a fair chance a lot of it is in the SANFL? Probably makes it harder to sign on if you were already iffy.

 

[Fuddnuddler]

Why would Taylor only get a one-year deal? Player, or list management decision? Any inklings??

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Taylor 1 year and Bond 2 years

The conspiracist theory would be ...Taylor's career will not be as a FWD ....you have 12 months to show you can get to a fitness level to play MID

It's the only reason, after 17 games this year, that he would only get a 1 year extension

 

[Cromulant]

Is Henry Hustwaite worth an ask for a cheap get from hawks? 21 years old, 195cm mid, loves to tackle, finds heaps of ball in VFL. Seems to get lots a clearances too. Will struggle even more to get into hawks mids with merret if they get him too?

Can he kick ??

 

[Cromulant]

Why would Taylor only get a one-year deal? Player, or list management decision? Any inklings??

Id say that he's improved, but we need him to go to that next level.

 

[George CantStandYa]

The conspiracist theory would be ...Taylor's career will not be as a FWD ....you have 12 months to show you can get to a fitness level to play MID

It's the only reason, after 17 games this year, that he would only get a 1 year extension

You know that’s nonsense right? Given how little Nicks played him in the middle, he preferred others in there, otherwise he would have given him spurts in there and not wait until the season was done like against the Hawks.