List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[Vankri]

Credit to Jordy - unlike Heeney he has performed in grand finals.

Jordy has his faults but he has always turned up when it counts most.

Yes and there is no way we make it past the Prelim without him. His best ever performance IMO.

Thing is, when some of us say they would do a Rowell for Jordy+something trade there are a few assumptions/factors at play:Jordy wanting to get some sunshine, thinking 5+ years ahead, injury profile.

 

[jmac70]

This whole footy forum is irrelevant then

 

[No SPIN]

Could, not will. Not that it’s in any way relevant.

Will you consider that Jordy has never in his entire career been as consistent as any of the aforementioned players? Jordy might have a game at that level every so often but he’s just has likely to have a 15 disposal 1 goal game, without the defensive impact of any of those other players. He’s not in the same conversation as those guys.

Pointless hypothetical, because Jordy is not in the same conversation given his lack of consistency over the course of his career.

At no point did I say that Ned will fail, or even imply it. And you’ve completely ignored the possibility that Ned doesn’t even play on Rowell. So, “definitely”? No. A possibility? Absolutely. But please don’t act like it’s something that’s guaranteed to happen, because it’s absolutely not. Rowell has gone up against plenty of high quality players this year successfully, don’t act like Long is superior to them all.

And? Some of the best mids in the game don’t have the impact of Jordy as a forward, it doesn’t make them any less effective as players. Jordy doesn’t have the defensive impact that Rowell does. Does that mean he’s a lesser player? No it just means he’s different. There’s nothing about your argument that makes either player more or less effective than each other, all you’re describing is the type of player they are. If Rowell was consistently getting tagged out of games then you might have a point, but he’s not, and he’s unlikely to while playing alongside Nick either, so this all seems to be a rather moot discussion.

If you don’t believe the extra flexibility of Rankine, Jordy, Heeney etc. is a major plus then you be in the vast minority.
I’d rather pay the same price, for this game breaking flexibility in an elite player than an elite mid without any positional flexibility- it’s a no brainer.

 

[stormskye]

That’s the exact gif I was going to post

 

[Apex36]

If you don’t believe the extra flexibility of Rankine, Jordy, Heeney etc. is a major plus then you be in the vast minority.
I’d rather pay the same price, for this game breaking flexibility in an elite player than an elite mid without any positional flexibility- it’s a no brainer.

What makes you think that these players who you claim are so much more valuable than Rowell, would be the same price as Rowell? That makes no sense

 

[No SPIN]

What makes you think that these players who you claim are so much more valuable than Rowell, would be the same price as Rowell? That makes no sense

Ok - so if you now concede extra flexibility is important, then that’s all I’m getting at. A healthy Jordy has it just like the others, and Rowell does not.

 

[JLC]

Yes and there is no way we make it past the Prelim without him. His best ever performance IMO.

Thing is, when some of us say they would do a Rowell for Jordy+something trade there are a few assumptions/factors at play:Jordy wanting to get some sunshine, thinking 5+ years ahead, injury profile.

I hope people are not sleeping on the Mason Cox Prelim final when JDG kicked 4.2.

 

[Vankri]

I hope people are not sleeping on the Mason Cox Prelim final when JDG kicked 4.2.

I know, Cox is always remembered for it but Jordy was phenomenal too. Just more in that 70/30 fwd role versus the opposite in the 23 Prelim.

 

[Apex36]

Ok - so if you now concede extra flexibility is important, then that’s all I’m getting at. A healthy Jordy has it just like the others, and Rowell does not.

Where did I concede anything? Don’t put words in my mouth.

If you can’t at least attempt to win an argument without just making shit up then I think we’re done here.

 

[Apex36]

I hope people are not sleeping on the Mason Cox Prelim final when JDG kicked 4.2.

Not sure how a game from 7 years ago is in any way relevant to the player Jordy is today?

Do you think that the 2023 version of Mason Cox is the same as the 2025 version?

 

[JLC]

Not sure how a game from 7 years ago is in any way relevant to the player Jordy is today?

Do you think that the 2023 version of Mason Cox is the same as the 2025 version?

I think it shows what JDG is capable of and that he is done in multiple times in big games. When fully fit I have no doubt he could kick another bag in a final.

 

[No SPIN]

Where did I concede anything? Don’t put words in my mouth.

If you can’t at least attempt to win an argument without just making shit up then I think we’re done here.

A quote from your post.

"What makes you think that these players who you claim are so much more valuable than Rowell, would be the same price as Rowell? That makes no sense"

Based on the above - you are implying the players I nominated as offering more impact due to their flexibility than Rowell, would come at a premium.
Why would you even ask the question unless you were accepting the premise of my position that they have superior flexibility to Rowell - you obviously believe this flexibility comes at a premium to Rowell.

 

[MooreDaicos]

Out of Rowell and Butters, I want Butters with his crazy eyes. I wouldn't knock back Rowell but I think Butters would be better. I like a bit of mongrel mixed with crazy

 

[sr36]

It’s a big gamble though, because there’s no guarantee that he’ll ever get back to his absolute best and his longevity is questionable.

That’s why Rowell is the better option if you’re playing the odds, which is a big part of list management.

The odds include what else we'd have to pay, but yeah Rowell over JDG comfortably if going with your head - he's likely to play so many more games even if you rate Jordy higher. Emotionally though -no way -Jordy is a legend and Rowell is a short-arsed, grass-eating ranga.

 

[manicpie]

Out of Rowell and Butters, I want Butters with his crazy eyes. I wouldn't knock back Rowell but I think Butters would be better. I like a bit of mongrel mixed with crazy

Rowell eats grass, that's pretty crazy

 

[Apex36]

I think it shows what JDG is capable of and that he is done in multiple times in big games. When fully fit I have no doubt he could kick another bag in a final.

We all know what he’s capable of, that’s not in doubt. The question marks are now if he can get back to full fitness, and if he can get back to his best.

After close to 2 years of consistent injury and underperformance it’s probably time to look closely at the probabilities of whether we’re better off persisting or moving in a different direction.

 

[Apex36]

A quote from your post.

"What makes you think that these players who you claim are so much more valuable than Rowell, would be the same price as Rowell? That makes no sense"

Based on the above - you are implying the players I nominated as offering more impact due to their flexibility than Rowell, would come at a premium.
Why would you even ask the question unless you were accepting the premise of my position that they have superior flexibility to Rowell - you obviously believe this flexibility comes at a premium to Rowell.

How on earth you got that from my post I’ll never know. I implied nothing, I accepted nothing, all I did was question the logic that you used yourself, because it made zero sense.

The way your mind works is absolutely baffling sometimes.

 

[Apex36]

Out of Rowell and Butters, I want Butters with his crazy eyes. I wouldn't knock back Rowell but I think Butters would be better. I like a bit of mongrel mixed with crazy

I like Butters too, but gut feel says we aren’t chasing him as hard as we’d all like, mainly because Port probably doesn’t want to deal with us again. Losing Houston and Butters to the same club in successive years would cause riots.

 

[jmac70]

How on earth you got that from my post I’ll never know. I implied nothing, I accepted nothing, all I did was question the logic that you used yourself, because it made zero sense.

The way your mind works is absolutely baffling sometimes.

Sounds like a married couple.

 

[gouki88]

A quote from your post.

"What makes you think that these players who you claim are so much more valuable than Rowell, would be the same price as Rowell? That makes no sense"

Based on the above - you are implying the players I nominated as offering more impact due to their flexibility than Rowell, would come at a premium.
Why would you even ask the question unless you were accepting the premise of my position that they have superior flexibility to Rowell - you obviously believe this flexibility comes at a premium to Rowell.

Why is the only flexibility you care about offensive flexibility? Rowell offers almost infinitely more defensively than those you have mentioned

 

[Apex36]

The odds include what else we'd have to pay, but yeah Rowell over JDG comfortably if going with your head - he's likely to play so many more games even if you rate Jordy higher. Emotionally though -no way -Jordy is a legend and Rowell is a short-arsed, grass-eating ranga.

This is what most posters who are arguing with me don’t understand. If im going with my gut it’s Jordy every day of the week because I love him. Always have.
And I was in favour of retaining him when many other posters here were ready to hang him. But if I’m being pragmatic and looking at the long term benefit to the club it’s almost impossible to choose him over Rowell at this point.

 

[gouki88]

Rowell eats grass, that's pretty crazy

He should smoke it instead. Or bake it / convert it into a gummy. Novice behaviour.

 

[No SPIN]

How on earth you got that from my post I’ll never know. I implied nothing, I accepted nothing, all I did was question the logic that you used yourself, because it made zero sense.

The way your mind works is absolutely baffling sometimes.

You actually accepted the logic - that having more flexibility would come at a premium for players like Heeney over Rowell.
It’s an inescapable conclusion- otherwise you would have dismissed flexibility of Heeney etc over Rowell as irrelevant - and not infer such players would come at premium.
Hence your statement.

“What makes you think that these players who you claim are so much more valuable than Rowell, would be the same price as Rowell? That makes no sense”

All good let’s move on.

 

[jmac70]

This is what most posters who are arguing with me don’t understand. If im going with my gut it’s Jordy every day of the week because I love him. Always have.
And I was in favour of retaining him when many other posters here were ready to hang him. But if I’m being pragmatic and looking at the long term benefit to the club it’s almost impossible to choose him over Rowell at this point.

The whole point though is that it wouldn’t be a straight swap. So the comparison is not really fair.

 

[No SPIN]

Why is the only flexibility you care about offensive flexibility? Rowell offers almost infinitely more defensively than those you have mentioned

You don’t think offensive flexibility is more valuable than defensive?
Not sure many would agree.