List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[Mick F]

Our number 1 man is another perfect example. I know you cant give them forever, but the fact is they do take time

They aren’t costing us much.

 

[JuniorB]

They aren’t costing us much.

It gets back to whether a player who won't make it is worth a list spot.
I think both Oscar and Roo are worth persisting with, as they both have shown some signs of talent, plus we know rucks take time to develop.
We got DC for a packet of chips as a backup for Grundy when he was 24, and it has taken him some time since to become an elite ruckman.

 

[Dtennent94]

If we had to get rid of one of Smit, Steene or Cox for a shot at 2026 who would it be?

Sorry, I don’t really get the question?

If I had to delist one today, it would be Smit.

If I had to get rid of one to make room for a player at the draft at the end of this year, it would also be Smit.

If Cox chooses to retire, I would still probably delist Smit and look for a ruckman we could rely on next year because imo we will still be trying to challenge.

 

[Pedro]

They aren’t costing us much.

I agree and I'm not opposed to giving them a bit of time to come good. I havent seen too much of either so I don't have a strong opinion either way on whether they will make it. they are babies when it comes to ruckmen

 

[Granit1962]

We’re not wasting trade capital on another Ruck - Cox has still got another year, and is far more useful than the narrative offered here by some.

And it’s way too early to judge Smit and Steene.

It maybe too early on Steene and Smitt, however, while we are in the window I doubt investing so much of our ruck resources in highly speculative players is wise.

 

[No SPIN]

It maybe too early on Steene and Smitt, however, while we are in the window I doubt investing so much of our ruck resources in highly speculative players is wise.

It depends what your priorities are while in the Window - I'd say KPD not Rucks.

 

[Eric Shin]

Wade Derksen goes alright

 

[manicpie]

Wade Derksen goes alright

Didn't want to leave GWS but he looks like a ready made player

 

[Jen2310]

Didn't want to leave GWS but he looks like a ready made player

Wanted to go to Melb last year. GWS held him to hid contract

 

[satanshoof101]

Blake Howes had a good game 30 disposals, 13 marks, 3 tackles playing in defence.

 

[Bianconeri]

Given Cox’ form McStay can hardly stay on the field a ruck/fwd is our biggest need.

 

[nahnah]

Given Cox’ form McStay can hardly stay on the field a ruck/fwd is our biggest need.

Equal with key defender

 

[sherrife]

Given Cox’ form McStay can hardly stay on the field a ruck/fwd is our biggest need.

KPD. We're a serious injury to Moore/Howe away from being back in the pack due to vfl level defensive unit.

Cox is adequate, barely. We can do without him too.

 

[Bianconeri]

Equal with key defender

KPD. We're a serious injury to Moore/Howe away from being back in the pack due to vfl level defensive unit.

Cox is adequate, barely. We can do without him too.

We need KPD depth but it’s an area of strength in the ones. We’re bare on second rucks in the AFL team alone the twos.

 

[Dtennent94]

I’d like to see Dean given a go before committing a list spot to another VFL defender…

 

[gouki88]

I’d like to see Dean given a go before committing a list spot to another VFL defender…

Agreed, especially because I don’t see any VFL defenders outplaying him by any significant measure, and they all seem to share his limitations.

 

[Scodog10]

Agreed, especially because I don’t see any VFL defenders outplaying him by any significant measure, and they all seem to share his limitations.

I’d like to see Dean given a go before committing a list spot to another VFL defender…

Aleer definitely doesn’t share his limitations.

Dean is one of those guys that will always look good at that level because even as a 20yo he was doing what he’s doing in 2025. The problem is the step up when his opponents are bigger and faster than state league so they get the separation.

I’d personally prefer we don’t see him given another proper go because that means injuries to two of Howe/ Moore/ Frampton which will seriously disrupt our best line…

 

[Dtennent94]

Aleer definitely doesn’t share his limitations.

Dean is one of those guys that will always look good at that level because even as a 20yo he was doing what he’s doing in 2025. The problem is the step up when his opponents are bigger and faster than state league so they get the separation.

I’d personally prefer we don’t see him given another proper go because that means injuries to two of Howe/ Moore/ Frampton which will seriously disrupt our best line…

Aleer is not available in the MSD, though. But yeah, it’s a good thing if we don’t ever need to use Dean again.

 

[Scodog10]

Aleer is not available in the MSD, though. But yeah, it’s a good thing if we don’t ever need to use Dean again.

Definitely re Aleer that was to provide context to how Dean is looking out there. From what I saw yesterday I thought Dean was the better of the two with his ability to intercept and I doubt there’d be many going better at that level, but give me a choice of who I’d prefer at senior level it would absolutely be Aleer.

In terms of MSD I think Krueger would be a better option than Dean if he’s got his head around being a defender. He may be made of glass, but we all know he’s got the physical attributes Dean doesn’t, he knows our system so there’s more scope for him to be senior relevant immediately and he’s the type of guy that will run through brick walls if asked.

 

[Dtennent94]

Definitely re Aleer that was to provide context to how Dean is looking out there. From what I saw yesterday I thought Dean was the better of the two with his ability to intercept and I doubt there’d be many going better at that level, but give me a choice of who I’d prefer at senior level it would absolutely be Aleer.

In terms of MSD I think Krueger would be a better option than Dean if he’s got his head around being a defender. He may be made of glass, but we all know he’s got the physical attributes Dean doesn’t, he knows our system so there’s more scope for him to be senior relevant immediately and he’s the type of guy that will run through brick walls if asked.

Did Krueger ever play or even train as a KPD with us?

I just wonder if our best option/s are hardly more reliable than Dean, maybe we should just look at a different part of the ground.

 

[manicpie]

Definitely re Aleer that was to provide context to how Dean is looking out there. From what I saw yesterday I thought Dean was the better of the two with his ability to intercept and I doubt there’d be many going better at that level, but give me a choice of who I’d prefer at senior level it would absolutely be Aleer.

In terms of MSD I think Krueger would be a better option than Dean if he’s got his head around being a defender. He may be made of glass, but we all know he’s got the physical attributes Dean doesn’t, he knows our system so there’s more scope for him to be senior relevant immediately and he’s the type of guy that will run through brick walls if asked.

I reckon Dean has gone up another level this year. 23 disposals and 8 marks is almost his norm these days. He's actually having a better season than both alir and freddy. Dean hasn't really had the opportunity this year because he hasn't been needed. Howe and Maynard were always going to play ahead of him because of the weather forecast. I have a feeling that we won't even bother getting a key defender in the MSD. We'll probably take a longer term option like brown or similar. We should look at getting a key defender at the end of the year though as Moore and Frampton are getting much older. It's a bit of a conundrum. I think we'll back in Dean as back up for this year. I do understand all your concerns though.

 

[gouki88]

Definitely re Aleer that was to provide context to how Dean is looking out there. From what I saw yesterday I thought Dean was the better of the two with his ability to intercept and I doubt there’d be many going better at that level, but give me a choice of who I’d prefer at senior level it would absolutely be Aleer.

In terms of MSD I think Krueger would be a better option than Dean if he’s got his head around being a defender. He may be made of glass, but we all know he’s got the physical attributes Dean doesn’t, he knows our system so there’s more scope for him to be senior relevant immediately and he’s the type of guy that will run through brick walls if asked.

I think Dean has improved. His leadership down back is strong, directing people around the ground and taking lots of initiative at their line meetings during the breaks.

His defensive positioning has improved (covering for his lack of speed), and he is visibly stronger. He seems to know our system well

 

[No SPIN]

Did Krueger ever play or even train as a KPD with us?

I just wonder if our best option/s are hardly more reliable than Dean, maybe we should just look at a different part of the ground.

The advocacy for Kreuger is surprising- he’s erratic, unpredictable, impulsive and injury prone.
His aggression is a positive but we need level heads in the backline , not impulsive raging bulls.
What has changed to now make him a MSD target - it’s a mystery to me.
Dean has progressed well and deserves opportunity.

 

[Dtennent94]

The advocacy for Kreuger is surprising- he’s erratic, unpredictable, impulsive and injury prone.
His aggression is a positive but we need level heads in the backline , not impulsive raging bulls.
What has changed to now make him a MSD target - it’s a mystery to me.
Dean has progressed well and deserves opportunity.

I think the emergence of West beyond expectation means that we are not as desperate for KPF backup as we thought we were when McStay had just gotten injured.

The fact that Krueger has played with us before and we obviously liked him enough to headhunt him from Geelong means that it’s understandable that we’d look at him. Bonus points for the fact that he can conceivably cover as both KPD/KPF.

 

[Jen2310]

The advocacy for Kreuger is surprising- he’s erratic, unpredictable, impulsive and injury prone.
His aggression is a positive but we need level heads in the backline , not impulsive raging bulls.
What has changed to now make him a MSD target - it’s a mystery to me.
Dean has progressed well and deserves opportunity.

He may not be injuring himself atm but can’t say the same of others in his path