List Mgmt. 2025 Trade & List Management Thread

[giantroo]

Official FA Moves/Trades​

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Player/Picks	Original Team	Receiving Team​	FA /Trade?
Tom De Koning	Carlton	St Kilda	RFA
Jack Silvagni	Carlton	St Kilda	UFA
Jacob Wehr	GWS	Port Adelaide	UFA
Sam Draper	Essendon	Brisbane	UFA
Oscar Allen	West Coast	Brisbane	RFA
Charlie Spargo	Melbourne	North Melbourne	UFA

Buku Khamis - requests a trade to Carlton
Wade Derksen - requests a trade to Melbourne
Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

- requests a trade to St Kilda
Leek Aleer - requests a trade to St Kilda
Campbell Chesser - requests a trade to Carlton
Will Brodie

23

Will Brodie

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

- requests a trade to Port Adelaide
Liam Reidy - requests a trade to Carlton
Sam Flanders - has requested a trade/explore options

 

[Merlin007]

Heard Clarko wants to lure Cyril out of retirement

serious?

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

serious?

No!

 

[Chewy Chewman]

Some * Nuffie on X came up with the brilliant reunion of the duurs.

They trade their to firsts for expected Oscar Allen compo and pick Willem
They then trade either Perkins or Langford for Zane lol - I wouldn’t trade Zane for both of them let along one of them.

They clearly have the same delusion as that CEO attending a Coldplay concert.

 

[nicko74]

Suns midfielder reportedly "keen for a move": AFL trade news

The 23-year-old earned interest from rival clubs a year ago.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[shinboner magic]

Suns midfielder reportedly "keen for a move": AFL trade news

The 23-year-old earned interest from rival clubs a year ago.

www.zerohanger.com

This is the guy we should be chasing - in a perfect world what we get for Phillips can be on traded for him.
We need to target guys not getting games at other clubs that are needs for us.
We tried it with fisher , Stephens and Daniel - just need to find the right ones

 

[Chip Scab1]

Why Not?

Because Lever is shit. I'm a firm No.

Shit bloke too.

 

[travelli]

This is the guy we should be chasing - in a perfect world what we get for Phillips can be on traded for him.
We need to target guys not getting games at other clubs that are needs for us.
We tried it with fisher , Stephens and Daniel - just need to find the right ones

Seems like there is a glut of underperforming young midfielders this year.

 

[Merlin007]

This is the guy we should be chasing - in a perfect world what we get for Phillips can be on traded for him.
We need to target guys not getting games at other clubs that are needs for us.
We tried it with fisher , Stephens and Daniel - just need to find the right ones

I wouldn't mind either - I thought he might have been a possibility last year.

On the other hand, I'm not sure there will be many draft points in any trade for Phillips - if he's omitted this week for Wardlaw (which is my guess), potential suitors will know his papers are stamped and will wait to pick him up DFA

 

[ferball]

Because Lever is shit. I'm a firm No.

Shit bloke too.

I hate having to explain things like this...

I meant "Why Not?" in response to the but not gonna lose it at some random twitter account rumour bit of the comment.

Lever is the last thing we need imo.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I hate having to explain things like this...

I meant "Why Not?" in response to the but not gonna lose it at some random twitter account rumour bit of the comment.

Lever is the last thing we need imo.

I live to lose it at some unrelated Twitter troll. It provides meaning to my otherwise, meaningless existence.

 

[zoomba23]

Yeah I'd take Davies in the midfield over everyone in our centre rotation bar LDU and Warslaw atm. We've really done well there haven't we. Invest in the midfield, absolutely **** all to show for it

 

[year of the roo]

I wouldn't mind either - I thought he might have been a possibility last year.

On the other hand, I'm not sure there will be many draft points in any trade for Phillips - if he's omitted this week for Wardlaw (which is my guess), potential suitors will know his papers are stamped and will wait to pick him up DFA

I'm no Philips fan, but we aren't delisting him. I'm sure we'll entertain a trade but if there are no suitors and why would there be, we'll give him one more year.

 

[zoomba23]

I'm no Philips fan, but we aren't delisting him. I'm sure we'll entertain a trade but if there are no suitors and why would there be, we'll give him one more year.

We won't lol. Bergman, Kawson, Payne, Phillips, CCJ, Phillips, Tucker. There's your seven departures.

Edit: forgot Ford. Still, don't see him staying on the list

 

[iloveireland]

Pink?

Pink was the hardest call, but wanted more games in Dawson and Whitlock

 

[shinboner magic]

I wouldn't mind either - I thought he might have been a possibility last year.

On the other hand, I'm not sure there will be many draft points in any trade for Phillips - if he's omitted this week for Wardlaw (which is my guess), potential suitors will know his papers are stamped and will wait to pick him up DFA

Davies hasn’t even got a look in at the suns - so it should be around the same mark

 

[kool kangas]

Heard Clarko wants to lure Cyril out of retirement

Lucky for us Cyril said "thanks but no thanks"

 

[spurs]

Pink was the hardest call, but wanted more games in Dawson and Whitlock

I just think that Pink has become a very good lockdown defender in the last 10 weeks. He won’t be let go.

 

[spurs]

Windhager?

 

[Shinboner Supremacy]

Windhager?

Signing on for 2 more at St Kilda

 

[SimpinForSimpkin]

Byron Pickett

Byron Pickett

Age

48

Ht

179cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

8.6

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.6

3star

Jr kicked 20 goals on the Eyre Peninsula. Reckon we can get him to
our VFL team and see what he’s got?

Still only 20

 

[lockheed]

Byron Pickett Jr kicked 20 goals on the Eyre Peninsula. Reckon we can get him to
our VFL team and see what he’s got?

Still only 20

Why not. Spend a little money and we may find ourselves a player!

 

[Merlin007]

So I just wanted to think about list management from a governance (board) perspective. I'm assuming that at the end of last year, the football department would have presented to the board on the list strategy for 2025, and as we all know that had two parts - recruitment of senior players, and a willingness to trade draft picks hard to maximise our hand for the 2024 draft. The football department got what it wanted, and now the question for the Board is whether those outcomes have delivered, and if not, what needs to change for 2026.

IMO the answer at the end of Round 18 is that the 2025 strategy rates a bare pass. The win/loss column is marginally better, and match day performance is better, with the negative differential between goals for and against having closed, thanks to a marginal improvement in goals scored and a slightly better defensive effort. While of course it's welcome to see some improvement, it's also fair to say the overall improvement is modest given what was traded out in terms of draft picks.



So lot depends on the last 5 games in making a final assessment of the football department strategy for this year.

Another couple of wins and a consolidation of the trends seen to date in match day performance, and the scorecard might shift from a C- to a C+, and with another 20 odd games put into Sheezel, McKercher, FOS etc, some cautious optimism for 2026 might follow.

But fall away from here, and I hope the Board are asking some serious questions at season's end.

 

[ferball]

So I just wanted to think about list management from a governance (board) perspective. I'm assuming that at the end of last year, the football department would have presented to the board on the list strategy for 2025, and as we all know that had two parts - recruitment of senior players, and a willingness to trade draft picks hard to maximise our hand for the 2024 draft. The football department got what it wanted, and now the question for the Board is whether those outcomes have delivered, and if not, what needs to change for 2026.

IMO the answer at the end of Round 18 is that the 2025 strategy rates a bare pass. The win/loss column is marginally better, and match day performance is better, with the negative differential between goals for and against having closed, thanks to a marginal improvement in goals scored and a slightly better defensive effort. While of course it's welcome to see some improvement, it's also fair to say the overall improvement is modest given what was traded out in terms of draft picks.

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So lot depends on the last 5 games in making a final assessment of the football department strategy for this year.

Another couple of wins and a consolidation of the trends seen to date in match day performance, and the scorecard might shift from a C- to a C+, and with another 20 odd games put into Sheezel, McKercher, FOS etc, some cautious optimism for 2026 might follow.

But fall away from here, and I hope the Board are asking some serious questions at season's end.

At round 15 our Goals Against was 12.7.

In three games it blew out by two goals a game.

Same thing happened after r3 where it was about even and in the next three games blew out to five goals a game against us.

 

[Only Forwards]

2025 strategy rates a bare pass

I think it can likely be looked at in far far simpler terms than the stats and the diferential that you are suggesting and it is absolutely all pinned 2 list movements and our finishing position.

We traded 25 for Daniel creating that need to
trade what is currently pick 2 for picks 27 and what is currently picks 21.

This list management has to have occurred with the idea that we would be moving up not merely holding our position.

I challenge anyone to find a deal where a club trades pick 2 for 21 and 27 (this is before any dilution so we can factor that as benefit of doubt).

Simply put it is unders. It is the selling of an asset (pick 2) for under market value.

This deal would still feel wrong if it was pick 8 for 21 and 27.

So from a list management position we needed the senior players we did bring in to have much more impact than they did coupled with the players that we already had to take more decisive steps forward. Which would have been merely to make the above equation look somewhat like a break even situation.

There is simply no way currently form where we are with what we have in front of us coupled with our form(lack thereof) and our injury list that we will drag our selves any higher than a potential finish in 16th.

Long and the short of it was it was a ballsy trade that have the very real potential to look incredibly foolish if the side did not deliver.

They didn't and now the people who made the deal look like fools and we continue to be an absolute joke.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

So I just wanted to think about list management from a governance (board) perspective. I'm assuming that at the end of last year, the football department would have presented to the board on the list strategy for 2025, and as we all know that had two parts - recruitment of senior players, and a willingness to trade draft picks hard to maximise our hand for the 2024 draft. The football department got what it wanted, and now the question for the Board is whether those outcomes have delivered, and if not, what needs to change for 2026.

IMO the answer at the end of Round 18 is that the 2025 strategy rates a bare pass. The win/loss column is marginally better, and match day performance is better, with the negative differential between goals for and against having closed, thanks to a marginal improvement in goals scored and a slightly better defensive effort. While of course it's welcome to see some improvement, it's also fair to say the overall improvement is modest given what was traded out in terms of draft picks.

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So lot depends on the last 5 games in making a final assessment of the football department strategy for this year.

Another couple of wins and a consolidation of the trends seen to date in match day performance, and the scorecard might shift from a C- to a C+, and with another 20 odd games put into Sheezel, McKercher, FOS etc, some cautious optimism for 2026 might follow.

But fall away from here, and I hope the Board are asking some serious questions at season's end.

Any competent organization would have regular check ins and assessments each QTR, and not just leave to the EOY. Some questions I would be asking.

1. Where did we rank on the soft tissue/over training injury index against the other 17 sides and what was the trend for the last 3 years? Are we up, down or stagnant?
2. Who owns and is responsible for players being represented and defended at the Tribunal? Looking at the Melb representation of Steven May for example. Do we have a similar level of diligence and professionalism in this area compared to the other clubs? Was it smart for Big X to try and defend himself.
3. Has the Daniel trade improved the NMFC in any capacity on the field this year? What are the plans for the next 3 years with this mills stone around the clubs neck.
4. Which assistant coaches need to be moved on for someone with fresh ideas and who has come from a successful program and has no ties with Clarko/Viney?