2nds 2025 VFL thread

[Section 5]

I just call him ZZ like ZZ Top

After listening to the supposed correct pronunciation via the link below i will stick to ZZ.
I suck at languages and that includes English a lot of the time.

Zakostelsky pronunciation in Polish

How to say zakostelsky in Polish? Pronunciation of zakostelsky with 22 audio pronunciations and more for zakostelsky.

www.howtopronounce.com

 

[irel]

We are in the 21st century and in such a diverse population in Australia that underlying closet racist attitudes are still surfacing. A simple surname that is not Anglo-Saxon becomes such a problematic issue that people are humorously dismissive and devaluing in nuances such as "oh well" i have difficulties with names anyhow or I'll just refer to him as ZZ or other such non-consensual terms.

For commentators not to do their research or to continually mispronounce is unprofessional, poor preparation and downright disrespectful.

Zakostelsky is not difficult to pronounce.

Let me break it down. Just break it in two. ZAKOS and then add TELSKY. Now put it together ZAKOSTELSKY.

A little effort and respect is non negotiable from everyone, especially our supporters and the media.
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[Section 5]

We are in the 21st century and in such a diverse population in Australia that underlying closet racist attitudes are still surfacing. A simple surname that is not Anglo-Saxon becomes such a problematic issue that people are humorously dismissive and devaluing in nuances such as "oh well" i have difficulties with names anyhow or I'll just refer to him as ZZ or other such non-consensual terms.

For commentators not to do their research or to continually mispronounce is unprofessional, poor preparation and downright disrespectful.

Zakostelsky is not difficult to pronounce.

Let me break it down. Just break it in two. ZAKOS and then add TELSKY. Now put it together ZAKOSTELSKY.

A little effort and respect is non negotiable from everyone, especially our supporters and the media.
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I sort of get what you are saying but maybe tone it down a bit. For now, its ZZ for me.

I wonder what the Lions players nickname is for him.
Maybe he does not have one. I am sure they know how to pronounce his surname though.

Insinuating i and others are closet racist is a bit much on a forum. You don't know me or others from a bar of soap.

Apologies if posting the correct pronunciation of a Lions player has you going down that path.

 

[knaf]

I have problems with spelling and pronunciation. Took me a long time to overcome this and sort of master English. Takes me a reasonable time and effort to put together something as short as this. No disrespect to meant to anyone. I believe nicknames are more respectful than misspelling.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I agree with irel on pronunciation of names in a multicultural society.
It's not difficult and takes a modicum of effort to learn how to pronounce a name (or word) correctly.
(those with language learning difficulties excepted)

It's fair to say that Anglicising names in Australia had / has links to racism.
And avoiding that insinuation may be more constructive.

 

[martinson]

I've got an anglo saxon name of Irish origin that is well known in this country and abroad.

Not many can spell it and there's zero chance of the current generation spelling it or particularly pronouncing it from the print. Not had one call centre person yet know how pronounce it even though some famous people in history have had the same surname.

Had some fairly unflattering nicknames as a kid. It never occurred to me that anyone was racist or there were racist overtones on my Irish ancestry.

 

[irel]

I sort of get what you are saying but maybe tone it down a bit. For now, its ZZ for me.

I wonder what the Lions players nickname is for him.
Maybe he does not have one. I am sure they know how to pronounce his surname though.

Insinuating i and others are closet racist is a bit much on a forum. You don't know me or others from a bar of soap.

Apologies if posting the correct pronunciation of a Lions player has you going down that path.

I certainly don't think you're directly racist. You posting history hasn't indicated a closeted, racist or bigot.

But your doubling down on the post above needs a re-battle. I have not seen you referring to Lachie Neale as LN, or Cameron Rayner as CR or Hugh McCluggage as HMc. Therefore the question is why would an intelligent poster double down on something that is easily accepted as an error of judgement or just lazy posting.

I move on.

 

[Section 5]

I've got an anglo saxon name of Irish origin that is well known in this country and abroad.

Not may can spell it and there's zero chance of the current generation spelling it or particularly pronouncing it from the print. Not had one call centre person yet know how pronounce it even though some famous people in history have had the same surname.

Had some fairly unflattering nicknames as a kid. It never occurred to me that anyone was racist or there were racist overtones on my Irish ancestry.

I have a 5-letter surname with English/Scottish/Irish origins
I would say 40% of people get it right.

 

[martinson]

I have a 5-letter surname with English/Scottish/Irish origins
I would say 40% of people get it right.

No hope with mine.

I have had plenty of people affectionately call me by my initials . Well I'm hoping it's affectionate. They're the same letter.

Like ZZ.

 

[martinson]

I have a 5-letter surname with English/Scottish/Irish origins
I would say 40% of people get it right.

The other one I get is the abbreviation of my Christian name coupled with the abbreviation of my surname and the two together has a nice simple ring to it . Plus the Y on the end of either or both which seems to be an Aussie slang peculiarity.

If figure these people are just lazy but I suffer the indignity with a bemused smile.

 

[Nunez]

We are in the 21st century and in such a diverse population in Australia that underlying closet racist attitudes are still surfacing. A simple surname that is not Anglo-Saxon becomes such a problematic issue that people are humorously dismissive and devaluing in nuances such as "oh well" i have difficulties with names anyhow or I'll just refer to him as ZZ or other such non-consensual terms.

For commentators not to do their research or to continually mispronounce is unprofessional, poor preparation and downright disrespectful.

Zakostelsky is not difficult to pronounce.

Let me break it down. Just break it in two. ZAKOS and then add TELSKY. Now put it together ZAKOSTELSKY.

A little effort and respect is non negotiable from everyone, especially our supporters and the media.
.

Wait, his name is Zakostelsky?! I've been calling him krandle!!! Why did nobody tell me?!?

 

[Voss the boss]

My first name and surname are both first names (if you know what i mean) and I get called by my surname all the time. I can say that is annoying!

 

[martinson]

My first name and surname are both first names (if you know what i mean) and I get called by my surname all the time. I can say that is annoying!

That's the worst. We had a kid at school with the same Christian name and surname and if you can believe this , they lived in a street with the same name.

So I can understand how you might have suffered.

At some point surely the blame can be sheeted home to your parents.

Ahh. Now I get it they're both first names but different names . Well it could be worse as evidenced by the kid in my class. Apologies to your parents . They had the good sense to not give you the same name as your surname.

 

[Section 5]

My first name and surname are both first names (if you know what i mean) and I get called by my surname all the time. I can say that is annoying!

So, you are really Gout Gout
How is that below 10 second without wind assist going

 

[Sunny Land]

I have a 5-letter surname with English/Scottish/Irish origins
I would say 40% of people get it right.

My surname is a 6 letter word that is mis-pronounced 90% of the time. Just people thinking its close to one surname without really picking it up in the spelling...no biggie.

 

[Dalions]

My first name and surname are both first names (if you know what i mean) and I get called by my surname all the time. I can say that is annoying!

You are not happy for people to call you Boss?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It'd be good if the norm was to make the effort to learn long names. But every culture I've ever seen has some kind of abbreviation nickname for at least one long name, especially Australia where we even abbreviate surnames that aren't long (Jackson -> Jacko for example). Maybe it's best to just ask people what's fine for them and use that. Let's hope we hear what Zakostelsky's nickname is at the club so we can use that.

 

[Dalions]

So, you are really Gout Gout
How is that below 10 second without wind assist going

Just ask Matt Kennedy.

 

[Dalions]

My understanding is that the best Swimming Coach ever Laurie Lawrence has shortened his own name as his parents called him Laurence Lawrence.

 

[Dalions]

My first name and surname are both first names (if you know what i mean) and I get called by my surname all the time. I can say that is annoying!

My Surname is also a first name and I don’t even bother correcting people anymore.
My business name is named after my Surname so people just assume that is my first name.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I also have a five-letter surname with its origins in Ireland. It's occasionally mispronounced, to my mild irritation.

But when I visited Ireland 25 years ago I discovered that it was actually me and my family that had been mispronouncing it. Oh well. Can't change it now. I'm more tolerant of the variant pronunciations since then.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Speaking personally, I always aim to pronounce people's names fully and correctly and have double-checked pronunciations when speaking publicly. It's always worth the effort.

That said it should be recognised that not everyone is as dextrous with forming unusual sounds and that has nothing to do with racism or intelligence, it's simply a skill that not everyone is good at. There's nothing wrong with calling someone by a nickname if it's not disparaging. In some cases it might be less likely to cause offence than attempting to pronounce it correctly and getting it wrong. As an example: Petracca

 

[briztoon]

I have a 4 letter surname of Germanic origin that 99% of people get wrong.

Even if I correct people to the proper pronunciation, 98% percent of Australian's still get it wrong, because they lengthen it with the Aussie drawl, instead of pronouncing it in the short, clipped manner it’s supposed to be pronounced.


Back to the original post, I don’t see how not being able to pronounce a name and preferring to use a nickname is racist. There are many here who have been using ZZ (Top) since he was drafted.

I really struggle with Thai and Sri Lankan surnames. I’ll give them a crack, but there’s many I butcher or can’t even get my tongue around.

Doesn’t make me racist.

And as someone learning Vietnamese, man that’s a freaking hard, tonal language that the Aussie accent butchers.

 

[Voss the boss]

I also forgot to mention my first name is often spelt wrong too, which creates a whole new name! So you could say nearly every week I have 3 versions of what I'm called.

I used to correct everyone now i just feel like i am being one of those people!

Cant lie, many times i have started a return email with that persons surname.... haha

 

[KissKiss]

I also have a five-letter surname with its origins in Ireland. It's occasionally mispronounced, to my mild irritation.

But when I visited Ireland 25 years ago I discovered that it was actually me and my family that had been mispronouncing it. Oh well. Can't change it now. I'm more tolerant of the variant pronunciations since then.

I used to think we were lucky that most people were able to get the pronunciation of my Irish heritage last name fairly correctly. Turns out somewhere a few generations back we all adjusted to the Australian accent and its pronounced completely incorrectly and I can barely pronounce it myself.

Im another who is terrible with pronunciation of most languages I attempt. I just cannot get my tongue around things properly. This is much to the amusement of my Spanish speaking inlaws. But everything I've ever seen is most people attempt to get it right and people appreciate the attempt.

Nothing really wrong in nicknames either as long as they come along in good spirit (acknowledge there has been some soft racism in a lot of older nicknames). I generally would use plenty for players here (mostly as I stuff up the spelling all the time). There's lots of Big O, Jerry/Terry, Wash/Lash, Shagga, Suitcase, DevRob, Charlie, etc. Many of these probably not the players preferred pronunciation.