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List Mgmt. 2026 Trade/Contract Discussion

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• Liam Baker (27/1/98)
• Jake Waterman (6/5/98)
• Brandon Starcevich (24/7/99)
• Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01)
• Liam Duggan (11/12/96)
• Jack Graham (25/2/98)
• Tylar Young (5/9/98)
• Tom McCarthy (12/7/00)
• Brady Hough (5/3/03)
• Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04)
• Harley Reid (17/4/05)
• Bo Allan (16/02/06)
• Jobe Shanahan (2/8/06)
• Josh Lindsay (7/4/07)
• Willem Duursma (21/6/07)
• Cooper Duff-Tytler (22/8/07)
• Elliot Yeo (1/10/93)
• Tim Kelly (26/7/94)
• Matt Owies (19/3/97)
• Harry Edwards (1/10/00)
• Deven Robertson (30/6/01)
• Finn Macrae (13/3/02)
• Sandy Brock (14/12/02)
• Reuben Ginbey (10/9/04)
• Archer Reid (19/9/05)
• Hamish Davis (2/5/06)
• Tom Gross (15/9/06)
• Lucca Grego (15/9/06)
• Sam Allen (13/1/07)
• Tylah Williams (22/2/07)
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92)
• Tom Cole (28/5/97)
• Matt Flynn (13/9/97)
• Bailey Williams (17/4/00)
• Milan Murdock (30/6/00)
• Harry Schoenberg (21/2/01)
• Tyler Brockman (22/11/02)
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03)
• Jack Williams (1/12/03)
• Harry Barnett (22/1/04)
• Elijah Hewett (27/5/04)
• Noah Long (23/8/04)
• Ryan Maric (6/9/04)
• Clay Hall (12/5/05)
• Harvey Johnston (18/8/05)
• Jake Miles-Wrency (??/??/05)
• Jacob Newton (20/3/06)
• Malakai Champion (17/5/06)
• Fred Rodriguez (10/7/07)
 
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I'd want to see what the prognosis is on Freddy's foot. If he's likely to be out for the year, then sign someone imo.
 

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stallon said:
If its up to me im asking NHH down to training for a couple of sessions before the SSP deadline, if he goes ok then sign him for 1 year.

Worst case hes done 1 year on a cheap deal, hes not a good fit for whatever reason and we move him on. Even send him away during the year if hes not doing what hes meant to, its such a minimal cost.
Best case hes a decent prospect and we got a steal.

Dont agree at all with the just wait for the MSD people, makes no sense.
More likely we get another LTI and we have a spot anyway, also a decent chance to not be in last place - so no pick 1 regardless.

Dont want a mature age mid at all either, no mature age players from state leagues. Young prospects only
We have added a bunch of mature agers this off-season, we have enough for now in the important roles in the WAFL especially.

Just get someone, NHH fits a big list hole, hes talented, and hes in perth anyway already
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The argument for the MSD is that you get access to the best mature age talent before the National Draft. You almost get to double dip your high picks.

At the moment, all we have available are players who were not seen talented enough to be drafted or have not had enough exposed form to suggest they are.

When people talk mature age, they mean players who were previously draft eligible. In any case, McCarthy was a mature ager, if a clone was available, would you overlook him?
 
Underdog said:
The argument for the MSD is that you get access to the best mature age talent before the National Draft. You almost get to double dip your high picks.

At the moment, all we have available are players who were not seen talented enough to be drafted or have not had enough exposed form to suggest they are.

When people talk mature age, they mean players who were previously draft eligible. In any case, McCarthy was a mature ager, if a clone was available, would you overlook him?
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TM clone might not be available and if he is we might not be able to select him if we don’t have pick 1 anyway or if there is and we do we likely get another LTI and select him anyway or find a way too.

Plenty of SSP players have come in and made it as afl footballers.

The list team would be tracking a lot of these players so let’s hope they make the right call.
 
Underdog said:
The argument for the MSD is that you get access to the best mature age talent before the National Draft. You almost get to double dip your high picks.

At the moment, all we have available are players who were not seen talented enough to be drafted or have not had enough exposed form to suggest they are.

When people talk mature age, they mean players who were previously draft eligible. In any case, McCarthy was a mature ager, if a clone was available, would you overlook him?
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3 reasons I am against waiting for the msd

I dont think we will be bottom, or its reasonably unlikely.
The chances of a McCarthy available at pick 1 is low, the msd pick 1 could easily be(far more likely tbh) a Culley or something.
We could have another slot by then anyway. Id rather not take 2 msd players, that second msd player would have incredibly low odds to be a good player for us
 
I'm surprised by the general consensus that we will definitely have another LT1 injury before the mid season draft. Is it really that common in today's game that we would expect that one of our players would go down with a season ending injury half way through the season?
Blamaires or NHH would be my choices and expecting another one of our players would go down for the season in the next few months is negative thinking that I can't abide.

Only the dude abides.
 
stallon said:
3 reasons I am against waiting for the msd

I dont think we will be bottom, or its reasonably unlikely.
The chances of a McCarthy available at pick 1 is low, the msd pick 1 could easily be(far more likely tbh) a Culley or something.
We could have another slot by then anyway. Id rather not take 2 msd players, that second msd player would have incredibly low odds to be a good player for us
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I don't want to veer away from your substantive point, but I actually think Culley will be alright. He looked great before going down again fracturing his arm earlier this month. He could be a gem for Melbourne.
 
Mighty Eagles said:
I don't want to veer away from your substantive point, but I actually think Culley will be alright. He looked great before going down again fracturing his arm earlier this month. He could be a gem for Melbourne.
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He’s an on ok 3rd tall option but too slow at the coal face.

I think the club made the right decision to prioritise elsewhere.
 
Farmer Lister said:
I'm surprised by the general consensus that we will definitely have another LT1 injury before the mid season draft. Is it really that common in today's game that we would expect that one of our players would go down with a season ending injury half way through the season?
Blamaires or NHH would be my choices and expecting another one of our players would go down for the season in the next few months is negative thinking that I can't abide.

Only the dude abides.
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We've had a spot open for an MSD spot most years, so not outside the realms of possibility...
 

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Mighty Eagles said:
I don't want to veer away from your substantive point, but I actually think Culley will be alright. He looked great before going down again fracturing his arm earlier this month. He could be a gem for Melbourne.
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Just doesn't have the quickness/athletic profile to be a long-term player imo. Great tackler and good mark though
 
Underdog said:
The argument for the MSD is that you get access to the best mature age talent before the National Draft. You almost get to double dip your high picks.
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You also get access to players that fill areas of need. Freo chose to add Mason Cox as a back up for Jackson and Darcy. Meek left a couple of years ago and Reidy joined Carlton. Good for them, but if they have a ruck injury crisis during the year you know what they will be looking for in the MSD. For teams like WC you have plenty of holes to fill so it's usually just about picking the best available and seeing what they've got.. There's no point in WC picking a Newton or McCarthy unless they intend on playing them.

I am a fan of the MSD. Since 2021 Newcombe, Durham, Peatling, Sharman, D'Ambrosio, Maric, Long, McCarthy have all been picked up and found roles at AFL level. One or two success stories a year makes it worthwhile I reckon, and it's a small win for clubs at the bottom. Tom McCarthy is a 25 year old coming off half a dozen good stage league games. I don't think anyone begrudges WC getting a free hit by being able to pick him up compared to the flood of tears that came when Oscar Allen gave us pick 2 in the ND via the same FA compo system that has been in place since 2012.
 
Scotland said:
You also get access to players that fill areas of need. Freo chose to add Mason Cox as a back up for Jackson and Darcy. Meek left a couple of years ago and Reidy joined Carlton. Good for them, but if they have a ruck injury crisis during the year you know what they will be looking for in the MSD. For teams like WC you have plenty of holes to fill so it's usually just about picking the best available and seeing what they've got.. There's no point in WC picking a Newton or McCarthy unless they intend on playing them.

I am a fan of the MSD. Since 2021 Newcombe, Durham, Peatling, Sharman, D'Ambrosio, Maric, Long, McCarthy have all been picked up and found roles at AFL level. One or two success stories a year makes it worthwhile I reckon, and it's a small win for clubs at the bottom. Tom McCarthy is a 25 year old coming off half a dozen good stage league games. I don't think anyone begrudges WC getting a free hit by being able to pick him up compared to the flood of tears that came when Oscar Allen gave us pick 2 in the ND via the same FA compo system that has been in place since 2012.
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I also agree this year we hopefully don't have the 1st pick in the MSD with probably winning 3 games before the MSD.
So projecting we will have 3-4 and maybe 10-12 if we get another LTI.
This means we should probably take an SSP now if they are good enough for a spot.
 
Farmer Lister said:
I'm surprised by the general consensus that we will definitely have another LT1 injury before the mid season draft. Is it really that common in today's game that we would expect that one of our players would go down with a season ending injury half way through the season?
Blamaires or NHH would be my choices and expecting another one of our players would go down for the season in the next few months is negative thinking that I can't abide.

Only the dude abides.
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There's usually someone who is touch & go, where the club could take the safe option and end their season. Doesn't have to be a 12 month injury, just someone wrapped in cotton wool instead of hoping to make it back for the tail end of the season.

There's also a good chance Brockman will be serving a prison sentence by mid-year as well. Newman got 12 months for breaking a jaw.
 
daddy_4_eyes said:
There's usually someone who is touch & go, where the club could take the safe option and end their season. Doesn't have to be a 12 month injury, just someone wrapped in cotton wool instead of hoping to make it back for the tail end of the season.

There's also a good chance Brockman will be serving a prison sentence by mid-year as well. Newman got 12 months for breaking a jaw.
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Exactly. We already have 3 possibilities:

Bailey Willaims (Groin) - I can't remember a player who missed all pre-season with a groin injury actually coming back to play. High chance he's had surgery before MSD

Hutchinson (ankle stress fracture) - this has lingering injury written all over it. Could easily be mothballed by May if he hasn't managed to complete a pre-season

Brockman (brain) - even if this turkey manages to please himself into a suspended sentence, his season is shot mentally. Has done f-all this preaseason.
 
Mighty Eagles said:
I don't want to veer away from your substantive point, but I actually think Culley will be alright. He looked great before going down again fracturing his arm earlier this month. He could be a gem for Melbourne.
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He might be, but more likely hes a mid who is in a similar tier to the Macrae or Schoenberg types, which we already have now.
I am happy we dont have Culley, I wouldnt want him anywhere near our best 23 right now tbh
 

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I agree with Stallon. I don't think we'll have the number 1 MSD pick this season and last year was meant to be a weaker national draft - so surely that would mean there's less talent available in the MSD? Do we really think we'll find TMac's at picks 2 or 3 of this years MSD?

With an open spot now we are in essence pick 1 to find the best talent out there. I'll defer to the clubs judgement, but the upside pick is giving NHH a shot on an AFL list given he was a projected first round draft pick as late as mid-October.

If it doesn't work out we delist in 12 months and we all move on.

We don't need more mature recruits unless there is a proven AFL quality KPD out there.
 
evans1863 said:
I agree with Stallon. I don't think we'll have the number 1 MSD pick this season and last year was meant to be a weaker national draft - so surely that would mean there's less talent available in the MSD? Do we really think we'll find TMac's at picks 2 or 3 of this years MSD?

With an open spot now we are in essence pick 1 to find the best talent out there. I'll defer to the clubs judgement, but the upside pick is giving NHH a shot on an AFL list given he was a projected first round draft pick as late as mid-October.

If it doesn't work out we delist in 12 months and we all move on.

We don't need more mature recruits unless there is a proven AFL quality KPD out there.
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100% agree.
If NHH is regarded good enough by our talent ID team then taking a punt on a SSP spot makes sense.

The MSD will be about best available talent.

Desirably a pressure X factor SF, Latrelle Pickett type or an athletic young KPD who can show enough over the next few months.
There are a few candidates who would be auditioning for this spot IMO.
 
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WCE777 said:
100% agree.
If NHH is regrded good enough by our talent ID team then taking a punt on a SSP spot makes sense.

The MSD will be about best available talent.

Desireably a pressure X factor SF, Latrelle Pickett type or an athletic young KPD who can show enough over the next few months.
There are a few candidates who would be auditioning for this spot IMO.
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NHH must have some issues recruiters are avoiding. ‘Weak’ draft and was overlooked. Plenty of SSP training spots handed out from other teams and no one came knocking by the looks?

Assuming he’s well and truely into Subis pre season so we should have some good intel into how he is looking out there.
 
I think the Jed Walter situation should be straight forward for us, we should only pursue it if he spends most of the year in the 2’s, because then we actually have leverage at the trade table. It makes no sense for us to give up top end assets for him though, he hasn’t been good at AFL level, he hasn’t even been very good at VFL level, he’s a great athlete but I do think his footballing IQ is really, really bad, Dimma not liking him is a major red flag. He couldn’t even beat out guys like Farrar for a spot.

If he’s available for a teens pick, it’s worth the risk but I’m not giving up a top 3 pick for him personally. That area of the ground is the position we have invested in heavily already and you can’t fit all Waterman, Shanahan, CDT, A.Reid and Walter into the same team. I’m not saying he might not be better than a couple of those guys, just don’t think it’s worth spending a top 3 pick to find out.
 
daddy_4_eyes said:
There's usually someone who is touch & go, where the club could take the safe option and end their season. Doesn't have to be a 12 month injury, just someone wrapped in cotton wool instead of hoping to make it back for the tail end of the season.

There's also a good chance Brockman will be serving a prison sentence by mid-year as well. Newman got 12 months for breaking a jaw.
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If I remember correctly Newmans was premeditated though as he contacted the victim before the assault and threatened him. Either way he probably will get some sort of sentence.
 

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