2026 Trade / FA Thread

[soreplums]

If Walter signs before King, I’m calling that is out the door

 

[granniewolf]

lol Wrong Tex.

Gus Teixeira from Sandringham

Thanks for clarifying that, I was somewhat bemused.

 

[soreplums]

We don't need a proper list build. We are rejuvenating talent to stay competitive while Tasmania dominate the draft.
Adding Neale and Walter makes us competitive while shipping of some old guys like Membrey, Sidey, Howe? Pendles?
Add in one of the best 18 year old midfielders in the country via the draft while guys like Allan, Hayes, Swadling and West all hopefully become permanent fixtures. That way we bridge our age while remaining competitive around Naicos.

Pretty sure while everyone was going to the draft when GC and GWS came in, Hawks traded their way to premierships

 

[tmpies01]

“The Pies do have their first-rounder this year and next year and believe (Jed) Walter is considering their overtures.” - per the above article.

Surely next years first rounder. I can’t imagine the reaction if we used this years.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

If we don’t get Walter I can live with that. More important that we keep our first. However Neale is a no-brainer and Ballard would be a very, very welcome addition, hopefully on the cheap trade-wise if it’s a GC salary dump.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

“The Pies do have their first-rounder this year and next year and believe (Jed) Walter is considering their overtures.” - per the above article.

Surely next years first rounder. I can’t imagine the reaction if we used this years.

Next years surely. Give them a second round this year if they want it.

Do not part with the 2026 first unless Butters nominates us.

 

[Ugene41]

Hoping we don’t go mad for Walter. Just don’t see it there.

Grab Neale, draft Tex/Drever & bring in Ballard and we’re laughing

I'd almost argue our weak spot is small forwards at the moment rather than tall forwards.

The Bobby Hill situation is a noose around our necks, Elliott is out and Schultz/McCreery just don't impact the scoreboard. Our small forward line is now just pressure focused in the same vein as the dour Blair/Goldsack and Greenwood/Varcoe days.

Every time we've bounced back into serious premiership contention, it's off the back of rejuvenating the small forward line (ie Stephenson, WHE, JDG, Josh Thomas mosquito fleet in 2018 and Bobby Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Ginnivan in 2023)

Luckily quality small forwards can be unearthed in the back end of drafts. I'd want to keep backing in Harrison and Hayes and hopefully expose Saxena as well.

 

[tmpies01]

Next years surely. Give them a second round this year if they want it.

Do not part with the 2026 first unless Butters nominates us.

We seem eager if we’re offering that much $$. Next years first + this years second would be good.

Walter nominating us would help. Would pretty much confirm that it will get done.

 

[soreplums]

We seem eager if we’re offering that much $$. Next years first + this years second would be good.

Walter nominating us would help. Would pretty much confirm that it will get done.

How good would it be that they overpay for Walter and it shakes Rowell free to join us

 

[footballsack35]

I'd almost argue our weak spot is small forwards at the moment rather than tall forwards.

The Bobby Hill situation is a noose around our necks, Elliott is out and Schultz/McCreery just don't impact the scoreboard. Our small forward line is now just pressure focused in the same vein as the dour Blair/Goldsack and Greenwood/Varcoe days.

Every time we've bounced back into serious premiership contention, it's off the back of rejuvenating the small forward line (ie Stephenson, WHE, JDG, Josh Thomas mosquito fleet in 2018 and Bobby Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Ginnivan in 2023)

Luckily quality small forwards can be unearthed in the back end of drafts. I'd want to keep backing in Harrison and Hayes and hopefully expose Saxena as well.

If Hayesy wasnt injured I think its a different story. We can't control the jamie and bobby situations.
I'm looking forward to the second half of the year for Hayes and Harrison hopefully they can form a bit of chemistry and be something fun to watch over the years. Saxena has been tracking really well in the VFL and will have to come in sometime.

 

[sr36]

Luckily quality small forwards can be unearthed in the back end of drafts. I'd want to keep backing in Harrison and Hayes and hopefully expose Saxena as well.

They go a lot earlier than they used to - the position has been massively re-rated.

 

[magpies42]

I'd almost argue our weak spot is small forwards at the moment rather than tall forwards.

The Bobby Hill situation is a noose around our necks, Elliott is out and Schultz/McCreery just don't impact the scoreboard. Our small forward line is now just pressure focused in the same vein as the dour Blair/Goldsack and Greenwood/Varcoe days.

Every time we've bounced back into serious premiership contention, it's off the back of rejuvenating the small forward line (ie Stephenson, WHE, JDG, Josh Thomas mosquito fleet in 2018 and Bobby Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Ginnivan in 2023)

Luckily quality small forwards can be unearthed in the back end of drafts. I'd want to keep backing in Harrison and Hayes and hopefully expose Saxena as well.

Our weak spot is durable top end talent, pick a position any position.

Elliott is a massive loss so agree on your point. But would add that Elliott also played taller due to his over head marking strength. We saw Schultz trying to replace that, he gave it a crack but Elliott is a generational talent.

The question should be, what are we willing to give up to improve. Aside from N Daicos I think everybody else is tradeable at the right price.

Moore, really was not a fan of him being made captain. Now he can’t get on the park, rumours swirling around…trade him if we can get a first rounder plus.

I mentioned end of last season we should have traded Hill home. These issues were always going to be inevitable with his personal problems. The club really let us down with that decision. We are forced to retain him now.

Degoey, a genuine match winner there has to be value there.

We are not going to improve by you taking one first round pick to the draft. We need to trade some of our aging stars to premiership contenders and either use those picks to get younger players in or take them to the draft.

 

[gouki88]

I'd almost argue our weak spot is small forwards at the moment rather than tall forwards.

The Bobby Hill situation is a noose around our necks, Elliott is out and Schultz/McCreery just don't impact the scoreboard. Our small forward line is now just pressure focused in the same vein as the dour Blair/Goldsack and Greenwood/Varcoe days.

Every time we've bounced back into serious premiership contention, it's off the back of rejuvenating the small forward line (ie Stephenson, WHE, JDG, Josh Thomas mosquito fleet in 2018 and Bobby Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Ginnivan in 2023)

Luckily quality small forwards can be unearthed in the back end of drafts. I'd want to keep backing in Harrison and Hayes and hopefully expose Saxena as well.

The lack of dynamism at ground level in our forward third is painfully apparent. Just can’t do anything when it hits the deck, compared to the top teams with Kozzie, Watson, Cameron, Mannagh, Bolton etc.

It’s why I want us to draft Texiera quite badly. He’s super exciting at ground level and could probably play there immediately. Hayes is developing nicely, Saxena is further along than I’d hoped. I really do miss Hill

 

[gouki88]

Our weak spot is durable top end talent, pick a position any position.

Elliott is a massive loss so agree on your point. But would add that Elliott also played taller due to his over head marking strength. We saw Schultz trying to replace that, he gave it a crack but Elliott is a generational talent.

The question should be, what are we willing to give up to improve. Aside from N Daicos I think everybody else is tradeable at the right price.

Moore, really was not a fan of him being made captain. Now he can’t get on the park, rumours swirling around…trade him if we can get a first rounder plus.

I mentioned end of last season we should have traded Hill home. These issues were always going to be inevitable with his personal problems. The club really let us down with that decision. We are forced to retain him now.

Degoey, a genuine match winner there has to be value there.

We are not going to improve by you taking one first round pick to the draft. We need to trade some of our aging stars to premiership contenders and either use those picks to get younger players in or take them to the draft.

There has to be both a desire for those “aging stars” to depart and a market for their services. I’m not sure either box is ticked. If teams force out players they never get good value

 

[Scodog10]

Our weak spot is durable top end talent, pick a position any position.

Elliott is a massive loss so agree on your point. But would add that Elliott also played taller due to his over head marking strength. We saw Schultz trying to replace that, he gave it a crack but Elliott is a generational talent.

The question should be, what are we willing to give up to improve. Aside from N Daicos I think everybody else is tradeable at the right price.

Moore, really was not a fan of him being made captain. Now he can’t get on the park, rumours swirling around…trade him if we can get a first rounder plus.

I mentioned end of last season we should have traded Hill home. These issues were always going to be inevitable with his personal problems. The club really let us down with that decision. We are forced to retain him now.

Degoey, a genuine match winner there has to be value there.

We are not going to improve by you taking one first round pick to the draft. We need to trade some of our aging stars to premiership contenders and either use those picks to get younger players in or take them to the draft.

No one is giving us a 1st rounder for Moore. Hill is now less than worthless in a trade sense for acquiring a top end talent directly and his only real value is in retention or salary dump. JDG needs to finish the season in the same vein he’s played the past month to be worth anything and if he does that why are we trading him as one of our precious few top end talents?

The only 3 that could be desirable externally (I want to emphasise the could for all 3 here) and could land us access to top end talent are McCreery, Houston and IQ. I’m not holding my breath on it because you still need to make the pick you get in exchange count. The reason they work is because all three are contracted, their perceived value should be higher than their current output and they’re replaceable, IMO. By replaceable I don’t mean directly, but rather a good system should be able to find someone to fill the role of whatever they’re currently doing and develop over time. Think R Steele as a “replacement” for Noble.

The difficulty with any of this is moving players that should form the core of your next wave without upsetting the apple cart. You start pulling at that thread and who knows what dominoes collapse. Clubs need to come at these guys because if we float them we won’t get much other than headaches.

 

[gouki88]

Tex is a bit old - even for us.

Tex and a returned Trav Cloke would make for one hell of a forward line.

In 2012

 

[Scodog10]

I would be offering him a 4 year deal tomorrow.
Can’t afford to lose him

I’m not quite there yet. Fly spelled it out in his presser that he’s reliant on the guns taking him to the ball. If the club think it’s a learning tool he’ll get that offer quickly and if they think this is his role long term then the status quo will remain for the next little while, IMO. The reality is there may not be much value placed on an inside midfielder in Fly’s system that needs to be taken to the ball by a gun because there’s always the threat of getting burned.

A sliver, perhaps?

And no, not as long as we continue to give him opportunities, we obviously have the need for his type and the money to pay him.

My brain was not braining yesterday it seems

Doesn’t that opportunity and need for a guy that kinda coulda shoulda woulda remind you of the Walter situation?

Have not watched any of the footy shows tonight but it appears Fly has doubled down on AFL360 on being impatient and not wanting a proper list build

Surely this is the only logical answer to our short to medium term future? Fly sets us up to win and at the very least be in positions to win regularly. The margins are fine and if you were to add say Neale, Ballard and a high end mid draftee isn’t it plausible we’d have flipped at least 2 or 3 of the 6 close ones this year that have so far netted us 2 points?

The only query I have with the approach is that Fly doesn’t feel like he’s committed long term. He might be giving those signals internally, but I’d like to think if he’s saying no to rebuilds publicly he’s on board for as long as the club want him around. A Hardwick Hopper/ Taranto scenario is a scary proposition.

 

[gouki88]

Surely this is the only logical answer to our short to medium term future? Fly sets us up to win and at the very least be in positions to win regularly. The margins are fine and if you were to add say Neale, Ballard and a high end mid draftee isn’t it plausible we’d have flipped at least 2 or 3 of the 6 close ones this year that have so far netted us 2 points?

I reckon we beat Hawthorn, Sydney & Freo for sure with those three in the team, which would have us in the top 4. Could also have turned the Dogs and the Crows games

 

[Ugene41]

No one is giving us a 1st rounder for Moore. Hill is now less than worthless in a trade sense for acquiring a top end talent directly and his only real value is in retention or salary dump. JDG needs to finish the season in the same vein he’s played the past month to be worth anything and if he does that why are we trading him as one of our precious few top end talents?

The only 3 that could be desirable externally (I want to emphasise the could for all 3 here) and could land us access to top end talent are McCreery, Houston and IQ. I’m not holding my breath on it because you still need to make the pick you get in exchange count. The reason they work is because all three are contracted, their perceived value should be higher than their current output and they’re replaceable, IMO. By replaceable I don’t mean directly, but rather a good system should be able to find someone to fill the role of whatever they’re currently doing and develop over time. Think R Steele as a “replacement” for Noble.

The difficulty with any of this is moving players that should form the core of your next wave without upsetting the apple cart. You start pulling at that thread and who knows what dominoes collapse. Clubs need to come at these guys because if we float them we won’t get much other than headaches.

Yea, I don't think we should be looking to trade out players for draft picks. Never ends up well for us especially if it seems like we're pushing them out.

Look what we managed to get for Treloar, Grundy, Stephenson, Ginnivan who were all highly rated at the time. We'd get a couple of late second / third rounders which would do SFA for us.

Much rather back our list in and top up with our first round this year plus FA like Neale.

 

[gouki88]

FB: Ballard - Frampton - Maynard
HB: Houston - Moore - Quaynor
C: J. Daicos - De Goey - Steele
R: Cameron - N. Daicos - Neale
HF: Hill - McStay - Schultz
FF: Elliott - West - Hayes
INT: Pendlebury - Steene - Anderson - Allan - Perryman

With players like McCreery, Lipinski, Crisp, Swadling, Parker, Harrison, Buller & [top 10 pick] all getting games too.

Still a fairly experienced 23 (average age of ~28), but with some youth rolling through as we phase out that second instalment of elders. I’ve assumed that Sidebottom and Howe retire at the end of this season, with Pendlebury and Elliott the most obvious ones at the end of 2027 (gut wrenching).

The obvious query is scoring. I think McStay & Nick will kick 30+ goals next season (both might this year). I would hope for 20-25 from Hill (god only knows), West, Elliott & Schultz. I think kicking goals by committee is the only way forward for that group. Thankfully Anderson and Steele seem to be good for a goal a game as non-forwards too.

It’s June, and things will obviously change between now and the actual window of player exchanges. But I think that the above team, if it somehow eventuated, would be pretty bloody good.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

FB: Ballard - Frampton - Maynard
HB: Houston - Moore - Quaynor
C: J. Daicos - De Goey - Steele
R: Cameron - N. Daicos - Neale
HF: Hill - McStay - Schultz
FF: Elliott - West - Hayes
INT: Pendlebury - Steene - Anderson - Allan - Perryman

With players like McCreery, Lipinski, Crisp, Swadling, Parker, Harrison, Buller & [top 10 pick] all getting games too.

Still a fairly experienced 23 (average age of ~28), but with some youth rolling through as we phase out that second instalment of elders. I’ve assumed that Sidebottom and Howe retire at the end of this season, with Pendlebury and Elliott the most obvious ones at the end of 2027 (gut wrenching).

The obvious query is scoring. I think McStay & Nick will kick 30+ goals next season (both might this year). I would hope for 20-25 from Hill (god only knows), West, Elliott & Schultz. I think kicking goals by committee is the only way forward for that group. Thankfully Anderson and Steele seem to be good for a goal a game as non-forwards too.

It’s June, and things will obviously change between now and the actual window of player exchanges. But I think that the above team, if it somehow eventuated, would be pretty bloody good.

You look at that team from FB to R and you can’t say that it won’t compete. Looks very very good.

Completely agree that the biggest question mark for us is scoring. I think that’s why the signing of Neale and hopefully improvement from Allan and Anderson means we get more forward rotation for Nick and Jordy. The watch on Hill is massive because Elliott will most likely be out until this time next season and we can’t afford to have both of them not playing again (though I back improvement from Hayes, Harrison and Saxena).

 

[magpies42]

There has to be both a desire for those “aging stars” to depart and a market for their services. I’m not sure either box is ticked. If teams force out players they never get good value

You don’t think a contender would clamber to get premiership calibre players in Moore and Degoey? They tend to pay overs. We did.

 

[gouki88]

You look at that team from FB to R and you can’t say that it won’t compete. Looks very very good.

Completely agree that the biggest question mark for us is scoring. I think that’s why the signing of Neale and hopefully improvement from Allan and Anderson means we get more forward rotation for Nick and Jordy. The watch on Hill is massive because Elliott will most likely be out until this time next season and we can’t afford to have both of them not playing again (though I back improvement from Hayes, Harrison and Saxena).

Yeah, it's an interesting one up forward. I've really liked how Nick & De Goey have played the last 5-10 weeks, both getting involved in scoring opportunities frequently and hitting the scoreboard. Nick has kicked 8 goals in his last 5 games alone.

No Elliott for the early part of the season is an issue, and one I probably didn't address well by having him in that squad (similarly to Steene). Bringing in Harrison & Buller for those two early on would be fine by me. I am higher now on Saxena than I ever thought I was going to be pre-draft.

Hill I just have no idea. Huge if he comes through next season, but if we draft Texiera and Hill doesn't stay I would happily see Tex get in there early.

 

[gouki88]

You don’t think a contender would clamber to get premiership calibre players in Moore and Degoey? They tend to pay overs. We did.

What 30+ year-olds with significant injury histories did we pay overs for?

 

[magpies42]

What 30+ year-olds with significant injury histories did we pay overs for?

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