Past #26: Tarryn Thomas [Part III] - [C.Twomey] AFL rules TT is eligible to play in all competitions as of 14 October

[The Dingrel]

Surely an “integrity” unit wouldn’t be leaking outcomes to the media.

time for a complaint to the integrity unit regarding the lack of integrity of the integrity unit.

 

[The Dingrel]

Not sure what your point is here. There was outrage over what Carey did. And for accuracy, that was 1995, not 97.

Copy and paste of a newspaper article....court hearing 97 perhaps. Point is it appears a far worse transgression than what Thomas is accused of, and yet there was no one calling for him to be sacked, stood down as captain, or ending his playing career.....the point is quite literally stated..."how times have changed"

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Copy and paste of a newspaper article....court hearing 97 perhaps. Point is it appears a far worse transgression than what Thomas is accused of, and yet there was no one calling for him to be sacked, stood down as captain, or ending his playing career.....the point is quite literally stated..."how times have changed"

We live in the age of appeasing the outraged who yell at clouds on social media.

 

[Horace]

Copy and paste of a newspaper article....court hearing 97 perhaps. Point is it appears a far worse transgression than what Thomas is accused of, and yet there was no one calling for him to be sacked, stood down as captain, or ending his playing career.....the point is quite literally stated..."how times have changed"

It is as true today as it was all those years ago.

 

[hilly]

You got overruled.

Enjoy working with Ross the Boss though, we've sent you to St Kilda for an exchange of later picks.

It's a dump out here. Still better than Tullamarine at least.

 

[big_e]

Copy and paste of a newspaper article....court hearing 97 perhaps. Point is it appears a far worse transgression than what Thomas is accused of, and yet there was no one calling for him to be sacked, stood down as captain, or ending his playing career.....the point is quite literally stated..."how times have changed"

Maybe if we did something earlier he wouldn't have blown the club to pieces only a few years later....

 

[Del191229]

It's a dump out here. Still better than Tullamarine at least.

Just remember that Nick gets priority on the physio when he's back in the country.

 

[Passmore]

It's a dump out here. Still better than Tullamarine at least.

Keep an eye on Ross. A bit "handsy" apparently.....

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[DuckYeah]

Selection and form is far from a "gotcha" moment.

I don't care about this conversation, but there have been plenty of poor trainers in the AFL that are good enough to always get selected when available and play at a high standards.

I hope Tarryn can sort out these off field set backs and do what he does best, but better!

Dane Swan. ****ing shit trainer. Never worked hard enough nor was he ever in club top 10’s.. there are genuine talents that dont need to work as hard to be A grade.

Maybe Tarryn is happy to be an elite player without all the hard work? Mayve he doesn’t want to be the beat because of attention and media? Maybe he is just a young fella with no ****ing idea on how to handle his money?

He knows he is a gun, arrogance? Probably, but we shouldn’t turn on the kid. He’s a gun and he’s a north player. We should stick by him until there is concrete proof he is a legitimate scumbag. There is none.

IstandwithTarryn

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Tell you what, the AFL "Integrity" Unit better have some bloody good evidence that something untoward happened if they're going to go over the clubs head and hand out bans.

Integrity "Unit" is a good name for them, because they're all a collective penis.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

does that mean we should stop critiquing match day performances or discussing selections too? Because to be honest we don't have a whole lot of anything on this forum other than observations from behind the fence or on the TV/computer. But we are here and we chat so I guess that makes us all delusional

We're all delusional. Why else do we keep coming back?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Copy and paste of a newspaper article....court hearing 97 perhaps. Point is it appears a far worse transgression than what Thomas is accused of, and yet there was no one calling for him to be sacked, stood down as captain, or ending his playing career.....the point is quite literally stated..."how times have changed"

Well then let's not forget that Carey literally got shown the door for having a consensual relationship with a teammate's wife, which is something we are all pretty sure has happened before but without the consequences. I'm not sure how we might evaluate having an affair vs physical assault vs whatever it is that Tarryn is accused of doing.

 

[North Viking]

Geez some of you campaigners are really tough on our players.

The football club needs to guide, mentor and stand by this young man.

Sure there are some issues but they are workable and a strong positive father figure role model, that the club has in trumps should, and will guide this young man to not only find himself but more importantly heal some of the trauma that exist deep within.

NMFC is a family and we should not, and I hope not turn our back on a young boy who clearly needs the support and backing of the club.

So many of you have pointed your finger and judged from afar without having any idea what he’s gone through, what he is going through and what it is like to be a First Nations man growing up in Australia. Let’s not even begin to think what the pressure and spotlight of the AFL world can do to young man who is prodigiously talented and potentially a superstar of the competition.

There’s a famous Mohawk saying. Do not judge a man till you have walked a mile in his moccasins.

Way too much judgment here. Sometimes footy is beyond your self need for team success. He is a human being and deserves some compassion, love and understanding.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Jon Anderson on 3AW reported that he has heard the TT AFL interview did not go well for TT and that a suspension is looming. Just posting what was said.

So, Dustin Martin was accused of threatening a female patron with a chopstick stab to the face, slamming the wall behind her with his hand, asked to leave the restaurant, apparently called her to apologise the following Monday and got a suspended fine on his way a few flags, normies and a brownlow.

So what has TT done, sent a text with a fist emoji?

 

[northbergs]

Whilst stereotyping of Aboriginal people around laziness and violence is horrific, I would suggest in this case, saying an individual is a lazy trainer is not racism. If the comment was 'All Aboriginals are lazy trainers' then that would be different. I certainly would not take racial offence at being called a lazy trainer.

And do we even know that he’s a lazy trainer? Or are we being lazy by falling into the stereotype with no evidence of said laziness?


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[northbergs]

It's one part of a pattern of repeated racism when it comes to TT

And if my memory serves me correctly, the only other player I recall being somewhat lazy was Daniel Wells.


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[northbergs]

It certainly wasn't a one off comment by that poster - they have a loooooong rap sheet when it comes to Tarryn. Is why I made the posts I did.

One thing I find fascinating about how this has played out is how it sits alongside the Hawthorn stuff, and given the interlocking personnel ... Clarkson most notably but not exclusively and process re the great possibly mythical AFL Integrity Unit.

You and I had good chats about all that on the main board, and ferball and I have had extensive discussions that really helped me sharpen my thinking.

The thing I find most interesting is who gets privileged and who we have to "believe" without question in these things, and how that all interplays with profoundly racist structures like our media.

Both matters have involved anonymous claims that got run through the media before any even vaguely formal process could start.

Then both have landed somewhere between AFL Land "processes" and the formal justice system.

When the claims against Tarryn have come into contact with the actual justice system - none of them have stuck. Yes, domestic violence stuff is hard to prosecute, but there's also never actually been a claim that he's hit anyone.

And the cops went over and above in their efforts to charge Tarryn with as much as possible, to the point where courts have criticised them for bringing weak verging on false charges.

Our club is literally run by women, and we absolutely have a One Club mentality. Emma Kearney is one of Tarryn's coaches.

If we honestly thought he was violent towards women, he wouldn't be at the club, end of story, we would have sacked him years ago now.

Thing is the club knows juyst how traumatic Tarryn's life has been and how recent family events have shattered what was a pretty fragile existence to begin with.

And unlike every other *er involved in this, from Tarryn's ex's, to scumbag journos, the AFL Leaking Unit, the cops - we actually respect Tarryn's privacy.

You know one thing I find telling about this stuff - whenever some white kid who went to an elite private school gets caught with their nose in a bag of coke, or crashing their car, or acting like a sleazy scumbag in a club ... out comes the mental health line.

Tarryn's never done that though, to the best of my knowledge, he's fronted up each time. He did the respect program we put him on (which was no walk in the park), he cleaned dunnies with Mick O'Loughlin.

He put in the hard yards on the track so when he could return to play, he did so in good nick and quickly hit top form.

One of the elements of the Hawthorn racism stuff is the role of inter generational trauma for indigenous Australians.

I've said time and time again that Clarkson and Fagan marching around in their uniforms, muscly middle aged white blokes barking orders - to young and often dislocated and scared indigenous guys, they would have come across like the cops and social workers who have bullied and terrorised indigenous people for decades.

That's a truth Clarkson and the league have to wrestle with.

But Tarryn's a product of intergenerational trauma as brutal as there is, yet that never really gets taken into account, let alobe privileged.

Instead we now hear classic white woman's tears (like above) about what an evil monster he is. In the Herald Sun, that paragon of fair dealing for indigenous people, a few pages up from convicted racists Andrew Bolt's latest tirade.

As I said, it is fascinating just who's voices get privileged in these things.

And it seems to me that the "scary" looking tattooed indigenous bloke who made two crucial mistakes - vocally supporting Treaty and then telling white people he makes more in a year than they do in a decade - his voice and experience is never privileged.

He's just presented as a cartoon cut out stereotype of what white Australia - that just comprehensively voted down the Voice - hates and fears most about indigenous men.

(See also how quickly Adam Goodes went from beloved figure of the game to scary monster that had to be driven from the game when he dared to hold his ground against racists.)

Great post.


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[Dan]

So, Dustin Martin was accused of threatening a female patron with a chopstick stab to the face, slamming the wall behind her with his hand, asked to leave the restaurant, apparently called her to apologise the following Monday and got a suspended fine on his way a few flags, normies and a brownlow.

So what has TT done, sent a text with a fist emoji?

But it's not just emojis is it....

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

So, Dustin Martin was accused of threatening a female patron with a chopstick stab to the face, slamming the wall behind her with his hand, asked to leave the restaurant, apparently called her to apologise the following Monday and got a suspended fine on his way a few flags, normies and a brownlow.

So what has TT done, sent a text with a fist emoji?

I don't want to make this seem like I am defending Dustin Martin at Tarryn's expense but that Chinese restaurant incident was almost restrained from Dusty's point of view, given the provocation that he allegedly had to contend with.

 

[South of the Yarra]

And do we even know that he’s a lazy trainer? Or are we being lazy by falling into the stereotype with no evidence of said laziness?


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I would suggest I am probably the last person here to stereotype Aboriginals and I detest racism. I simply made a comment that someone ‘made a judgement’ based on criticism not racism. I was called a lazy trainer and it didn’t worry me. I was

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

But it's not just emojis is it....

Probably not but importantly, it was all preserved for the authorities to read in all its gory detail and to present as evidence against him. And yet none of it stuck. Unless those texts contained credible threats of violence, then just being nasty on SMS is not likely to result in a conviction. And I suggest that some of the nastiness or provocation might have come back the other way, maybe not from all his accusers, but from at least one. Context possibly helped him in his defense.

 

[South of the Yarra]

It certainly wasn't a one off comment by that poster - they have a loooooong rap sheet when it comes to Tarryn. Is why I made the posts I did.

One thing I find fascinating about how this has played out is how it sits alongside the Hawthorn stuff, and given the interlocking personnel ... Clarkson most notably but not exclusively and process re the great possibly mythical AFL Integrity Unit.

You and I had good chats about all that on the main board, and ferball and I have had extensive discussions that really helped me sharpen my thinking.

The thing I find most interesting is who gets privileged and who we have to "believe" without question in these things, and how that all interplays with profoundly racist structures like our media.

Both matters have involved anonymous claims that got run through the media before any even vaguely formal process could start.

Then both have landed somewhere between AFL Land "processes" and the formal justice system.

When the claims against Tarryn have come into contact with the actual justice system - none of them have stuck. Yes, domestic violence stuff is hard to prosecute, but there's also never actually been a claim that he's hit anyone.

And the cops went over and above in their efforts to charge Tarryn with as much as possible, to the point where courts have criticised them for bringing weak verging on false charges.

Our club is literally run by women, and we absolutely have a One Club mentality. Emma Kearney is one of Tarryn's coaches.

If we honestly thought he was violent towards women, he wouldn't be at the club, end of story, we would have sacked him years ago now.

Thing is the club knows juyst how traumatic Tarryn's life has been and how recent family events have shattered what was a pretty fragile existence to begin with.

And unlike every other *er involved in this, from Tarryn's ex's, to scumbag journos, the AFL Leaking Unit, the cops - we actually respect Tarryn's privacy.

You know one thing I find telling about this stuff - whenever some white kid who went to an elite private school gets caught with their nose in a bag of coke, or crashing their car, or acting like a sleazy scumbag in a club ... out comes the mental health line.

Tarryn's never done that though, to the best of my knowledge, he's fronted up each time. He did the respect program we put him on (which was no walk in the park), he cleaned dunnies with Mick O'Loughlin.

He put in the hard yards on the track so when he could return to play, he did so in good nick and quickly hit top form.

One of the elements of the Hawthorn racism stuff is the role of inter generational trauma for indigenous Australians.

I've said time and time again that Clarkson and Fagan marching around in their uniforms, muscly middle aged white blokes barking orders - to young and often dislocated and scared indigenous guys, they would have come across like the cops and social workers who have bullied and terrorised indigenous people for decades.

That's a truth Clarkson and the league have to wrestle with.

But Tarryn's a product of intergenerational trauma as brutal as there is, yet that never really gets taken into account, let alobe privileged.

Instead we now hear classic white woman's tears (like above) about what an evil monster he is. In the Herald Sun, that paragon of fair dealing for indigenous people, a few pages up from convicted racists Andrew Bolt's latest tirade.

As I said, it is fascinating just who's voices get privileged in these things.

And it seems to me that the "scary" looking tattooed indigenous bloke who made two crucial mistakes - vocally supporting Treaty and then telling white people he makes more in a year than they do in a decade - his voice and experience is never privileged.

He's just presented as a cartoon cut out stereotype of what white Australia - that just comprehensively voted down the Voice - hates and fears most about indigenous men.

(See also how quickly Adam Goodes went from beloved figure of the game to scary monster that had to be driven from the game when he dared to hold his ground against racists.)

As I said , I have only read a few comments in the thread so if it was continual comments than I am glad you called out racism. I remember the chats we have had. Not many people understand Intergenerational trauma. Most don't understand its devastating impact unless they have lived it. Adam Goodes is a hero. Bolt is a racist flog. Privilege will always exist whilst many Aboriginal people are seen as a sub species.

 

[The Dingrel]

Well then let's not forget that Carey literally got shown the door for having a consensual relationship with a teammate's wife, which is something we are all pretty sure has happened before but without the consequences. I'm not sure how we might evaluate having an affair vs physical assault vs whatever it is that Tarryn is accused of doing.

no crime in having an affair, but doing it with your mate's missus who is also the VC of the club, makes it pretty hard to mend fences as a playing group. Had it have been an affair with any other mate's missus who wasn't a player would have turned out differently, regardless of what moral/ethical issues it may have raised.

 

[The Talent Scout]

North's Ted Bullpit

Did you say Bullpit, oh sorry, I thought you said something else.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]