2nd Test: West Indies vs. Australia

[Jaymin]

Did anyone see Langers 2nd innings dismissal? What the hell is Asoka doing!??!

I guess at least he was looking in the general direction when he gave him out....

I'm surprised langer didn't wrap his bat around De Silvas head....

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Why on earth did he bowl?

He almost had a wicket early on,but it dropped just in front of Gilchrist.
I'd prefer to see Ponting bowl ahead of Waugh.

 

[red+black]

i have not seen langer's second innings dismissal. can someone give an unbiased appraisal? was it DEFINATELY not out? it's about time something was done about these "elite" umpires. they should be made to defend their decisions, or publicly admit that they got a decision or two wrong. the world should be made aware as to what steps are being taken to improve the performance of umpires when they start going silly.

does AdS know the LBW rule? i'd like him to explain it at a press conference. I would like him to explain what he was doing, and where he was looking when he gave Ponting out? I want him to be asked why he did not refer it to the 3rd umpire.

I think the pattern of poor umpiring decisions is becoming all too obvious. The LBW decisions and the stumping (or was he run out), apart from all being made by AdS, were made without referral to the 3rd umpire. Some of you may prefer to leave technology out of it, but the time has come.

I say, any time an umpire gives an OUT decision such as LBW, stumped, run out or caught, it should be referred to the 3rd umpire for confirmation. I think the complaints are greater when a batsman is giving out when they are not out, than when a batsman is not given out when they are.

A TV replay would have easily confirmed that Langer and Hayden were NOT OUT in the first innings, and that Ponting was indeed out of his ground. The Match Referee should talk to AdS to ensure that while he did give the correct decision, he needs to pay greater attention to the play, and not appear to be looking away from the action.

 

[dr nick]

yes, they should at least explain how they came to a decision like "i couldnt see a deflection" and fair enough for not giving a caught behind.

but an excuse like "i thought it pitched on leg stump" will not cut it. doubts go the batsmans way. i'd be especially interested in his reasoning for giving ponting out. i think it would go something like...
"i thought the ball was dead, then next thing i know the bails were removed. i didnt want to look like a moron by going to the video for ponting might have been out by a metre, so rather than drawing attention to the fact that i looked away and daydreamt rather than doing the job i am paid to do, i took a gamble"

 

[EagleBlue]

Originally posted by red+black

I say, any time an umpire gives an OUT decision such as LBW, stumped, run out or caught, it should be referred to the 3rd umpire for confirmation. I think the complaints are greater when a batsman is giving out when they are not out, than when a batsman is not given out when they are.

What about the decisions that are given Not Out that were out such as Lehmanns and Laras in this test and the batsman (cant remember who) that Waugh appeared to have plumb LBW in the last test ????? They are just as bad. Leave the 3rd umpire to run outs and stumpings, we are struggling to get 90 overs in a days play as it is, without having more unnecessary stoppages. Giving ALL elite umpires a rules test to see if they know ALL of the rules of the game would be a good start, because it is obvious that at least 2 (Tiffen and DeSilva) dont realize that you cannot be out LBW if the ball pitches outside leg stump

 

[EagleBlue]

Originally posted by nicko18
"i thought the ball was dead, then next thing i know the bails were removed. i didnt want to look like a moron by going to the video for ponting might have been out by a metre, so rather than drawing attention to the fact that i looked away and daydreamt rather than doing the job i am paid to do, i took a gamble"

Very good


The thing that ****s me is that IMO the best umpire in the World, Steve Bucknor is not allowed to umpire because of the home team factor. THAT decision is only marginally behind appointing a match referee at all internationals as the worst made by the Incompetent Cricket Council

 

[Minkus_Swan]

Langer's LBW wasn't that bad. It kept very low, and to me it looked out... but then the replay showed it was clearly outside the line of off stump.

Did anyone see the appeal by Drakes? He bloody stood right in the face of De-Silva and screamed the appeal. Bit of the sub-continent appealing there!

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Minkus_Swan


Did anyone see the appeal by Drakes? He bloody stood right in the face of De-Silva and screamed the appeal. Bit of the sub-continent appealing there!

He actually looked to be moving closer to the umpire when appealing.I thought he was trying to intimdate the ump.

 

[red+black]

Originally posted by EagleBlue
Leave the 3rd umpire to run outs and stumpings, we are struggling to get 90 overs in a days play as it is, without having more unnecessary stoppages.

Had to bite at this. I don't buy your argument. I think fielding teams are becoming increasingly incompetent. The rate of overs/hour seems to be decreasing all the time, to the point that they might as well say, oh well, 60 overs a day is a good effort.

Teams could bowl 100 overs within 6 hours if they really wanted to. One rule change to make that a reality would be to ensure that batsmen don't waste time by readjusting their helmet, doing some gardening, looking around to all parts of the field after every ball, etc etc.

 

[The Passenger]

1/94 from 32 overs at the moment.

Hayden is 44 of 91 and Ponting is 36 of 80.

Both are batting well.

So far we have got 5/around 680. 3 wickets were from dodgy lbw decisions and the other was a run out from a complete misjudgement from Ponting, meaning the Windies have so far only worked for 1 wicket for nearly 700 runs

 

[GoEagles]

Ok I saw the Langer LBW on TV a few hours ago and it was a shocker. Clearly to me it seemed to be missing the stumps. Drakes appeal was interesting too - seemed to be in a fencing position with the knees bent, and the one arm straight in front of his body, about to lunge at De Silva

 

[red+black]

another Asoka shocker:

1.4 Gillespie to Smith, OUT: good length delivery, pitched wide outside the off stump and angling in, Smith moves across to play but gets hit on the pad, huge appeal and umpire Asoka de Silva raises his finger, Smith gets a pair!

TV replays show that the ball hit the pad outside the line of the off stump, Smith can consider himself unlucky

ball hit him outside the line. i think that's five or six errors of judgement now. he also gave lehmann 4 runs when Samuels got the ball to spin away, missing bat, going past the keeper to the rope for 4 byes.

and to larry de silva on rec.sport.cricket, yep, Asoka's crap because he's a black Sri Lankan, that's what everyone's been saying

 

[EagleBlue]

Originally posted by red+black
Had to bite at this. I don't buy your argument. I think fielding teams are becoming increasingly incompetent. The rate of overs/hour seems to be decreasing all the time, to the point that they might as well say, oh well, 60 overs a day is a good effort.

Teams could bowl 100 overs within 6 hours if they really wanted to. One rule change to make that a reality would be to ensure that batsmen don't waste time by readjusting their helmet, doing some gardening, looking around to all parts of the field after every ball, etc etc.

Agree, but fielding sides will NOT improve their over rate whilst the ridiculous fines system is in place

 

[ScouseCat]

STUMPS - DAY 4:

Australia: 4 for 576 declared
Ponting 206
Lehmann 160
Gilchrist 101 not out

West Indies: 408
Ganga 117
Lara 91
Samuels 68

Lee 4 wickets, Gillespie 3 wickets, MacGill 2 wickets, Hogg 1 wicket.

Australia 2nd innings: 3 for 238 declared
Hayden 100 not out
Lehmann 66
Ponting 45

West Indies 2nd innings: 3 for 107 (target 407)
Lara 52 not out
Sarwan 0 not out

Gillespie 2 wickets, MacGill 1 wicket.

 

[GoEagles]

Should be a great day of cricket ahead.

I've got the feeling that if we can get Lara out early today, we've got the test and the series wrapped up.

 

[hans moleman]

Originally posted by red+black
another Asoka shocker:

1.4 Gillespie to Smith, OUT: good length delivery, pitched wide outside the off stump and angling in, Smith moves across to play but gets hit on the pad, huge appeal and umpire Asoka de Silva raises his finger, Smith gets a pair!

TV replays show that the ball hit the pad outside the line of the off stump, Smith can consider himself unlucky

ball hit him outside the line.

agree with this - the ball hit him just outside the line with the ball angling in - a dodgy decision. Very similar to Langer's dismissal, but no suprise that in this case the news reports didn't say anything about Smith being unlucky...

on a side note, i don't usually listen to cricket on the radio (since it's usually on FTA TV), but i'm quite enjoying it. Eg lehmann is "pudgy but pugnacious" - for some reason i found that funny.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by hans moleman
agree with this - the ball hit him just outside the line with the ball angling in - a dodgy decision. Very similar to Langer's dismissal, but no suprise that in this case the news reports didn't say anything about Smith being unlucky...

on a side note, i don't usually listen to cricket on the radio (since it's usually on FTA TV), but i'm quite enjoying it. Eg lehmann is "pudgy but pugnacious" - for some reason i found that funny.

youve been missing out my friend. the ABC have some of the best commentators in the world. if the tv wasnt a good 3 seconds behind the radio, i'd mute the TV

 

[hans moleman]

Originally posted by nicko18
youve been missing out my friend. the ABC have some of the best commentators in the world. if the tv wasnt a good 3 seconds behind the radio, i'd mute the TV

i actually did start muting the tv during last summer's matches - i just snapped and couldn't take any more of greig's overbearing, incorrect, grating commentary...
needless to say, the comedy on the radio is much more 'natural' - from the little i've heard, there seems to be a more relaxed, enjoyable atmosphere about the radio commentators (and of course there's kerry o'keefe).

 

[dr nick]

many years of my childhood were spent with the walkman under the pillow listening to the Ashes, West Indian and other tours. i also think football is better commentated (and much more exciting) on the radio

 

[larrikin]

Originally posted by hans moleman
agree with this - the ball hit him just outside the line with the ball angling in - a dodgy decision. Very similar to Langer's dismissal, but no suprise that in this case the news reports didn't say anything about Smith being unlucky...

At least the ball was going to hit the stumps in Smith's case. In Langer's - not so much.......

 

[mattyc2422]

Lara just brought up his ton.
The Windies have a remote chance, but it's possible.

And I agree, the cricket commentary on radio is great. I love some of the banter they have.

 

[The Passenger]

I'll tell you what I think we are in a spot of bother.

I dont usually like negative cricket, but I thought that we shouldve just batted the second innings out and forgot about it - no matter what we set them there was to much risk on a wicket as good as this with Lara in the batting line-up. Although I know Steve Waugh would never do that.

There are now 3/210 at lunch and Lara and Sarwan are well and truly set.

If they go the next hour without losing a wicket they'll win it.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
I dont usually like negative cricket, but I thought that we shouldve just batted the second innings out and forgot about it - no matter what we set them there was to much risk on a wicket as good as this with Lara in the batting line-up. Although I know Steve Waugh would never do that.

I would have gone for another 50 runs. Especially since we had Gilchrist still to come.

 

[The Passenger]

Originally posted by DaveW
I would have gone for another 50 runs. Especially since we had Gilchrist still to come.

yea agreed, and we needed to score quicker.

The problem was, because they wicket is so good, we needed at least 4 sessions to bowl them out, but we needed to score at more than 4 an over (we went at 3.3) in the second dig to give ourselves 4 sessions and a score which was out of reach.

I'll make a prediction here though - the match will go to the last hour/half-hour of the day, and the final result will be less than 20 or 30 runs. I think we should get up but it will depend on whether Lara is still in.

A lot will depend though on what happens with the new ball which is going to be taken in 15 overs.

I know this will be the biggest chase in the history of test cricket, but if it was ever giong to happen it is here. Australia without there 2 best bowlers on an absolute road with one of the great batsmen at the crease in full form.

 

[The Passenger]

well Bichs just got the breakthrough of Sarwan, which will hinder the Windies big time but with Lara theres still hope for them.

Right idea for Sarwan just poor execution - didn't have a grip on the bat at all.