Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden (1) O Brave New World

[Financialpanther]

So do you want a minimum wage rise?

Do you want stimulus cheques going out to more people?

Dems can’t even get those basic things done, yet you are worried they are going radically left and suddenly 16 year olds will be able to vote?

Gotta say - in a nation where voting isn’t compulsory, what is the downside of 16year olds voting?

 

[Blue1980]

Nothing could be further from it. I already know nothing i say makes any difference. Joe will be kept under wraps toeing the "squad" line of utter insanity for as long as they can.
Under the law of Garafalo, you are not allowed to express an opinion unless it is agreed upon by the “Leftist” overlords, human social behavior works in only one way, if a message is repeated enough times, others will begin to accept it as a commonly held belief in the group no matter how stupid it is. This is happening in Universities here in Australia and all over college campuses in America. Go against this brainwashing and you risk being cast aside from society, ostracized by friends, family and of course the education system that has already been indoctrinated.

It only takes one crazy person to make it possible, but America has several: Pelosi, AOC, Harris, Kerry, Cuomo, Gore and silly old “Crazy Joe” …and of course a swag of A list and D list celebrities…

Seems awfully familiar, someone who was president recently who just said nonsensical s**t so often enough people believed it….

 

[Blue1980]

The "but but GOP" line wears thin, just because Republicans are literal demons doesn't excuse Democrats for being reactionary lying asswipes, too

This is why so many Americans don't bother voting, both parties are ******* terrible. Just torpedo both parties into the sun and install Ryan Reynolds as sole dictator

The issue is the dems can get complacent because the Republican Party are basically the trump/conspiracy theory party now.

They don’t offer anyone anything, except anger at Dr Seuss and mr potato head being “cancelled”.

Wtf some dems aren’t wanting the minimum wage increase or watering down the stimulus cheques is completely nonsensical.

 

[Blue1980]

Gotta say - in a nation where voting isn’t compulsory, what is the downside of 16year olds voting?

Cos more would likely be dems, or so the theory goes.

Republicans could start up “kids for trump” or “qanon kids” groups

 

[Financialpanther]

Cos more would likely be dems, or so the theory goes.

Republicans could start up “kids for trump” or “qanon kids” groups

Political youth camps - bringing it back!

 

[ChappyUK]

Looks like QAnon is trying to bring down BF.

If we survive this I hope we all get badges.

 

[Bareth Garry]

The "but but GOP" line wears thin, just because Republicans are literal demons doesn't excuse Democrats for being reactionary lying asswipes, too

This is why so many Americans don't bother voting, both parties are ******* terrible. Just torpedo both parties into the sun and install Ryan Reynolds as sole dictator

Now you're taking it to a more broad viewpoint of the two party system in general. Which could easily apply in other nations like the UK which I lived in under governments of both major parties. I don't necessarily disagree.

To bring it back to the specific point in hand, you made the point that Trump won in 2016 in part because of the alternative. That Democrats lost working class voters who in desperation and alienation fled to Trump. Now ignoring the fact that the data shows Hillary Clinton won the working class share of the vote (unless you filter it only towards the white working class), there's an element of hypocrisy by saying Democrats can't run on "but the Republicans" when you yourself seem to agree that part of Trump's victory was "but the Democrats".

Then my bigger point is, well what policy is it that attracts working class people to vote for Republicans because they feel left out by Democrats?

Barack Obama instituted a major health care reform that provided more access that previous Democratic presidents going back decades tried and failed. Is the suggestion that those presidents who failed were fine but Obama crossed the line despite succeeding. Bill Clinton did much better with the white working class in his re-election despite failing his healthcare reform. Anyway Obamacare clearly was popular. He got re-elected comfortably after signing it. It was not perfect. But a good first step.

And every Democrat pledged to build upon it whereas the entire Republican Party for TEN YEARS have spoken of nothing about healthcare but eliminating it.

What is the Republican party position on healthcare besides taking away people's coverage through Obamacare? They had ten years to think of one. What was Donald Trump's? He had five years as a candidate and president.

Increasing minimum wage. Biden put it through. All but eight Democrats voted for it. Every Republican voted against it. Which party was more for helping the working class and who was totally against it? That doesn't mean I would be happy with Democrats because they ultimately failed to get it done. But the mathematics is clear that the eight who voted against it are a minority in their party but the entire opposition party are united with those eight.

All I see from Republican politicians and their backers are stupid cultural grievences. Not policy to help people. Attacks on "Cancel culture", "wokeness", twitter outrages. They insinuate that Biden is "a puppet for the far left" and AOC and the "crazy radicals" are taking over. But also that he is doing the status quo. Which is it? How can Biden be simultaneousy the most far left wing president in history and breaking all his promises to the left at the same time. This is not a question aimed specific to you btw as you are on the left and there are valid critiques from the left, but to the right wingers who have no coherent policy positions.

 

[Balls In]

All I see from Republican politicians and their backers are stupid cultural grievences. Not policy to help people. Attacks on "Cancel culture", "wokeness", twitter outrages. They insinuate that Biden is "a puppet for the far left" and AOC and the "crazy

the dems invented stupid cultural grievences!

 

[Chief]

Political youth camps - bringing it back!

They could have some natty shorts and arm bands. Totes cool.

 

[Cooldude]

Now you're taking it to a more broad viewpoint of the two party system in general. Which could easily apply in other nations like the UK which I lived in under governments of both major parties. I don't necessarily disagree.

To bring it back to the specific point in hand, you made the point that Trump won in 2016 in part because of the alternative. That Democrats lost working class voters who in desperation and alienation fled to Trump. Now ignoring the fact that the data shows Hillary Clinton won the working class share of the vote (unless you filter it only towards the white working class), there's an element of hypocrisy by saying Democrats can't run on "but the Republicans" when you yourself seem to agree that part of Trump's victory was "but the Democrats".

Then my bigger point is, well what policy is it that attracts working class people to vote for Republicans because they feel left out by Democrats?

Barack Obama instituted a major health care reform that provided more access that previous Democratic presidents going back decades tried and failed. Is the suggestion that those presidents who failed were fine but Obama crossed the line despite succeeding. Bill Clinton did much better with the white working class in his re-election despite failing his healthcare reform. Anyway Obamacare clearly was popular. He got re-elected comfortably after signing it. It was not perfect. But a good first step.

And every Democrat pledged to build upon it whereas the entire Republican Party for TEN YEARS have spoken of nothing about healthcare but eliminating it.

What is the Republican party position on healthcare besides taking away people's coverage through Obamacare? They had ten years to think of one. What was Donald Trump's? He had five years as a candidate and president.

Increasing minimum wage. Biden put it through. All but eight Democrats voted for it. Every Republican voted against it. Which party was more for helping the working class and who was totally against it? That doesn't mean I would be happy with Democrats because they ultimately failed to get it done. But the mathematics is clear that the eight who voted against it are a minority in their party but the entire opposition party are united with those eight.

All I see from Republican politicians and their backers are stupid cultural grievences. Not policy to help people. Attacks on "Cancel culture", "wokeness", twitter outrages. They insinuate that Biden is "a puppet for the far left" and AOC and the "crazy radicals" are taking over. But also that he is doing the status quo. Which is it? How can Biden be simultaneousy the most far left wing president in history and breaking all his promises to the left at the same time. This is not a question aimed specific to you btw as you are on the left and there are valid critiques from the left, but to the right wingers who have no coherent policy positions.

That's a TLDR if I've ever seen one, sorry bud, not gonna read all that

Trump won on the wall, on appealing to working class, telling him how he's gonna do all this s**t for them (which he obviously would never do), he wooed the evangelical base on abortion and supreme court appointees, he ran on owning the libs and jailing Hillary Clinton. He didn't run on being the "lesser of two evils", he was being blatantly evil, which his base just loved because they are also evil

Hillary ran on " we aren't Trump" while kicking all progressive outta the camp thinking she had the election in the bag, Biden is a little smarter than that this time around and ran on some progressive policies like $15 minimum wage, climate change and so forth, but those were also just lies because Biden has always been a pseudo conservative.

Now there are gonna be dumb liberals trying to make excuses for Biden everytime he goes back on every one of his promises, just like they did when they simped for Obama, but the voters aren't stupid, they won't be fooled again. Biden got lucky that he ran against Trump, any other candidate, he wouldn't be president

 

[Satan]

Looks like QAnon is trying to bring down BF.

If we survive this I hope we all get badges.

It was Kimmie toot toot

 

[smy1305]

Or can change their position without actually changing their real opinion?

Well like Muhammad Ali once said if you have the same opinion at 50 that you did at 20 then you have wasted 30 years...

 

[Bareth Garry]

That's a TLR if I've ever seen one, sorry bud, not gonna read all that

Trump won on the wall, on appealing to working class, telling him how he's gonna do all this sh*t for them (which he obviously would never do), he wooed the evangelical base on abortion and supreme court appointees, he ran on owning the libs and jailing Hillary Clinton. He didn't run on being the "lesser of two evils", he was being blatantly evil, which his base just loved because they are also evil

Hillary ran on " we aren't Trump" while kicking all progressive outta the camp thinking she had the election in the bag, Biden is a little smarter than that this time around and ran on some progressive policies like $15 minimum wage, climate change and so forth, but those were also just lies because Biden has always been a pseudo conservative.

Now there are gonna be dumb liberals trying to make excuses for Biden everytime he goes back on every one of his promises, just like they did when they simped for Obama, but the voters aren't stupid, they won't be fooled again. Biden got lucky that he ran against Trump, any other candidate, he wouldn't be president

Sorry but this makes no sense.

Party A releases a manifesto pledging to institute a 12 point program. Party B opposes everything in that program. Voters elect Party A.

By the next election Party A has fulfilled just 5/12 programs. Voters are upset that the remaining 7 did not get done. Party A says they need more another term to get it all done. Party B says if they get in they will eliminate what had already been done. Voters elect Party B to punish Party A, which is rolling back whatever progress was made?

The Republican Party is Party B. Case in Point: No healthcare plan of their own after 10 years. Only want to remove Obamacare which voters said no to in 2012.

 

[Cooldude]

Sorry but this makes no sense.

Party A releases a manifesto pledging to institute a 12 point program. Party B opposes everything in that program. Voters elect Party A.

By the next election Party A has fulfilled just 5/12 programs. Voters are upset that the remaining 7 did not get done. Party A says they need more another term to get it all done. Party B says if they get in they will eliminate what had already been done. Voters elect Party B to punish Party A, which is rolling back whatever progress was made?

The Republican Party is Party B. Case in Point: No healthcare plan of their own after 10 years. Only want to remove Obamacare which voters said no to in 2012.

Oh god please don't go Ben Shapiro debate lord on this, it's just silly

None of what you said had any relevance to what I was talking about, Trump campaigned to cater for his base and he mostly followed through with what he said he would do, even though they are mostly evil things. Republican' strategies are different to Democrats, GOP actually gets things done, whereas Democrats specialise in doing nothing, that's why Biden said "nothing will fundamentally change".

 

[Bareth Garry]

Pretty sure Obama got far more done than Bush and Trump that were far more positive. Hence why he got re-elected unlike Trump and had a very positive approval rating after eight years unlike Bush.

 

[Cooldude]

Pretty sure Obama got far more done than Bush and Trump that were far more positive. Hence why he got re-elected unlike Trump and had a very positive approval rating after eight years unlike Bush.

Obama deported more Mexicans than Trump did, rained hellfire drones on the Middle East, and sent premiums sky high with Obama care, all the while leaving Guantanamo open (which he promised the close), sent more cheques to Wall Street, and managed to disillusion so many working class Americans, many who voted for him ended up voting for Trump

There's no defending the Democrats, any party that managed to lose to Donald Trump is not a political party worth defending

 

[Bareth Garry]

Obama deported more Mexicans than Trump did, rained hellfire drones on the Middle East, and sent premiums sky high with Obama care, all the while leaving Guantanamo open (which he promised the close), sent more cheques to Wall Street, and managed to disillusion so many working class Americans, many who voted for him ended up voting for Trump

There's no defending the Democrats, any party that managed to lose to Donald Trump is not a political party worth defending

Look when it comes to the flaws of the two party system where choosing lesser evils is demoralizing then we have no disagreement. If you don't want to choose a lesser evil you do you. But in the case of Trump and the Republican Party who I view as the more evil, I don't agree with the logic whereby feeling let down by Obama campaigning on the left but governing more moderate makes me want to vote for a guy actually campaigning on the right.

Moreover the question of what policies he/the Republicans have still hasn't been answered. It seems like every other politician has to release plans, fully budgeted, and scrutinized apart from Trump.

 

[Chief]

This is why so many Americans don't bother voting, both parties are ******* terrible.

You call out “but but Republicans” then do a “But but both sides”.

 

[LittleG]

Moreover the question of what policies he/the Republicans have still hasn't been answered. It seems like every other politician has to release plans, fully budgeted, and scrutinized apart from Trump.

Trump policies are clear. The destruction of the federal government.... from within.
Did all the Twitter rants and faux outrage distract you?

 

[LittleG]

You call out “but but Republicans” then do a “But but both sides”.

“There were fine people on both sides.”

 

[JackFlash]

How very bold of you.

But yeah - still think your outrage is over amplified

Sometimes you need to turn it up to volume 11 as the insane "leftists" are deaf as a post!

 

[Financialpanther]

Sometimes you need to turn it up to volume 11 as the insane "leftists" are deaf as a post!

I mean sure fight extremity with extremity is super cool.

 

[JackFlash]

Celebrity hero "Andrew Cuomo" says hello to all! Of course, the biased media in America will never admit it!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Celebrity hero "Andrew Cuomo" says hello to all! Of course, the biased media in America will never admit it!

Wrong thread.

Have yet to see you add any value to the discussion. Perhaps it's beyond your intellect.

 

[JackFlash]

I mean sure fight extremity with extremity is super cool.

You can never debate the Left, there is nothing cool about them. I was a lefty myself and there has been no decent PM in OZ since Keating. Who were the idiots that voted for Rudd? America is completely lost, the insanity of AOC, Pelosi, Kerry, Harris and their puppet Biden is proof of that. Extremity? It's all a matter of who yells loudest, I don't yell, I just shake my head at how many are simply brainwashed and my distaste of Leftist ideology.