Player Watch #5: Caleb Daniel

[koshari]

In my view pulling out of a contest that you're actually on track to clearly win is a far worse sin than pulling out of a 50-50

The point is players do it occasionally, even the toughest.

Like i said i dont think he is a sqib.

I also reckon his capacity to defend is extremely poor.
Happy to point out his shortcoming in a role that frankly i dont think he should be playing. But thats a lot different to labeling him a squib

Remember we had sleevo on our list for years and he was squibbing all the time, probably the only games he didnt squib is when he ran so wide there were no players to squib....

 

[zoomba23]

The point is players do it occasionally, even the toughest.

Like i said i dont think he is a sqib.

I also reckon his capacity to defend is extremely poor.
Happy to point out his shortcoming in a role that frankly i dont think he should be playing. But thats a lot different to labeling him a squib

Remember we had sleevo on our list for years and he was squibbing all the time, probably the only games he didnt squib is when he ran so wide there were no players to squib....

Disagree. I've never seen X do it. Never seen Zurhaar do it either. He tends to throw in the towel once the opposition actually have the ball.

Anyhoo, even if a nuke is dropped on us tomorrow, Caleb Daniel's name will still be on the team sheet for the remainder of the year, so it's academic

 

[speedy]

Caleb isn’t a squib. He’s just short and slow.

 

[hotchilli]

hotchilli

Seems you are still missing the point, feel free to keep doubling down on stupidity.

 

[koshari]

Seems you are still missing the point, feel free to keep doubling down on stupidity.

Pppfft if nostrils can do it with immunity why cant more moderate posters??

Heck ol mates even no stranger to octagonaling down....

Dunno of thats actually a word fwiw..

 

[HugeJohnson1]

Seems you are still missing the point, feel free to keep doubling down on stupidity.

So you are celebrating:

one contest for his 17 kicks, the intercept mark. The others were 3 kick-ins, 7 handball receives and 7 marks from short kicks often backward or sideways.
He had 4 crapy kick-ins to the pocket, 3 sideways kicks, 2 backward kicks, 1 turnover kick to space and 1 fluffed inside F50 kick. Of the 17 kicks only 6 kicks went forward to a teammate. Of which only 2 resulted in a quick play-on. Only 5 of the 17 kicks made it into our forward half.

 

[hotchilli]

So you are celebrating:

one contest for his 17 kicks, the intercept mark. The others were 3 kick-ins, 7 handball receives and 7 marks from short kicks often backward or sideways.
He had 4 crapy kick-ins to the pocket, 3 sideways kicks, 2 backward kicks, 1 turnover kick to space and 1 fluffed inside F50 kick. Of the 17 kicks only 6 kicks went forward to a teammate. Of which only 2 resulted in a quick play-on. Only 5 of the 17 kicks made it into our forward half.

Still missing the point. I have celebrated the win, not Daniel's game.

As for speedy's summary of his kicks it's clearly quite a negatively biased account of his performance. Even just looking at the 2nd kick on the summary described as "15:45 receives backward kick in D50, 25m sideways kick to teammate" is clearly not accurate as it was a switch kick over 25m which Stephens immediately played on from.

Daniel played his role, he was apart of a defence that did a much better job of maintaining possession. Then as a positive specifically to Daniel he played a lot more within himself and we didn't see him running himself into trouble trying to do too much.

 

[speedy]

Still missing the point. I have celebrated the win, not Daniel's game.

As for speedy's summary of his kicks it's clearly quite a negatively biased account of his performance. Even just looking at the 2nd kick on the summary described as "15:45 receives backward kick in D50, 25m sideways kick to teammate" is clearly not accurate as it was a switch kick over 25m which Stephens immediately played on from.

Daniel played his role, he was apart of a defence that did a much better job of maintaining possession. Then as a positive specifically to Daniel he played a lot more within himself and we didn't see him running himself into trouble trying to do too much.

I object, it’s only slightly biased.

I’ll give you 30m for that kick. It ended up on the opposite hb flank. It only turned into something when FOS bit off the 45deg kick to sheez in the centre square. That’s what Caleb should be doing. Then it really tuned into something when Stephens (who received it from caleb as you noted) ran hard up the guts and received the ball from Sheez 70m from goal. That’s something else Caleb should be doing. Instead he is seagulling deep in defence as a part of a chain of kicks that 99% of footballers should complete 91% of the time.

I didn’t go into depth on the outcome of his backward and sideways kicks. I do have a life outside of footy (just). Besides I thought people would presume it’s to a free player? I was more interested in his forward kicks and I did detail whether it ended in a quick or slow play.

And are you really gonna critique me on the length of kicks? Next time I will freeze frame it and triangulate it for you.

No inside attacking kicks from Caleb.
No breaking lines
No gut running
Next to no defensive acts
Next to no intercept possessions
No tackles
Next to no inside 50’s (he fluffs them anyway)
No goals
No nothing.

 

[hotchilli]

I object, it’s only slightly biased.

I’ll give you 30m for that kick. It ended up on the opposite hb flank. It only turned into something when FOS bit off the 45deg kick to sheez in the centre square. That’s what Caleb should be doing. Then it really tuned into something when Stephens (who received it from caleb as you noted) ran hard up the guts and received the ball from Sheez 70m from goal. That’s something else Caleb should be doing. Instead he is seagulling deep in defence as a part of a chain of kicks that 99% of footballers should complete 91% of the time.

I didn’t go into depth on the outcome of his backward and sideways kicks. I do have a life outside of footy (just). Besides I thought people would presume it’s to a free player? I was more interested in his forward kicks and I did detail whether it ended in a quick or slow play.

And are you really gonna critique me on the length of kicks? Next time I will freeze frame it and triangulate it for you.

No inside attacking kicks from Caleb.
No breaking lines
No gut running
Next to no defensive acts
Next to no intercept possessions
No tackles
Next to no inside 50’s (he fluffs them anyway)
No goals
No nothing.

It's really not the kick that Daniel should be doing in that situation, he made the correct kick. The centre corridor only opens up by switching the play to the other side of the ground which opens up the lane through the middle.

 

[speedy]

It's really not the kick that Daniel should be doing in that situation, he made the correct kick. The centre corridor only opens up by switching the play to the other side of the ground which opens up the lane through the middle.

Do you get that we don’t need him to pull off that kick because 99% of players should be able too? Other than pulling off safe 20-35m sideways and backwards kicks, what is he doing to make up for his defensive liability? He should be the catalyst for offensive transition not just a small link in the chain.

 

[hotchilli]

Do you get that we don’t need him to pull off that kick because 99% of players should be able too? Other than pulling off safe 20-35m sideways and backwards kicks, what is he doing to make up for his defensive liability? He should be the catalyst for offensive transition not just a small link in the chain.

But the criticism is for him making the sideways kick which was the correct decision.

He’s positioned well to be the outlet, he’s switched the ball quickly across the ground. He’s played his role in opening up the space in that piece of play along with Parker and Stephens.

The wider discussion of Daniel as a footballer isn’t relevant to the fact he did the right things in this chain of play.

 

[ferball]

Do you get that we don’t need him to pull off that kick because 99% of players should be able too? Other than pulling off safe 20-35m sideways and backwards kicks, what is he doing to make up for his defensive liability? He should be the catalyst for offensive transition not just a small link in the chain.

He had 3 score launches which is by definition a catalyst for offensive transition if its done in the backline.

Only LDU had more (four.)

 

[speedy]

Let’s agree to disagree.

I’m done debating Caleb’s worth. Thats enough, it doesn’t achieve anything, too much negative energy. It’s not even in my nature to shit on players. Well not to this extent anyhow. I’d be mortified if he actually reads this shit.

From now on I’m gonna limit my Caleb frustrations to game day, and only to people sitting next to me.

I hope North continues to win with Caleb in the team. And I hope even more that in the near future we are too good for Caleb to get a game.




P.S. I still reserve the right to defend Lmac when I deem necessary.

 

[speedy]

But the criticism is for him making the sideways kick which was the correct decision.

He’s positioned well to be the outlet, he’s switched the ball quickly across the ground. He’s played his role in opening up the space in that piece of play along with Parker and Stephens.

The wider discussion of Daniel as a footballer isn’t relevant to the fact he did the right things in this chain of play.

That’s not the criticism at all. I agree he did the right thing in that situation. The argument is, he never bites off the dangerous attacking kick. That’s why I detailed every freaking kick.

Anyway feel free to reply, but this definitely is my absolute final and last post on debating Caleb. Please mods ban me if I continue.

 

[hotchilli]

That’s not the criticism at all. I agree he did the right thing in that situation. The argument is, he never bites off the dangerous attacking kick. That’s why I detailed every freaking kick.

Anyway feel free to reply, but this definitely is my absolute final and last post on debating Caleb. Please mods ban me if I continue.

But your description of his game is a negative about these kicks when some of these backwards and sideways kicks are actually positive in terms of retaining possession and opening up channels to attack.

I’m not delusional as to the limitations of playing Daniel but I’m also not going to twist his performance into a negative when he’s actually played a positive role for the team.