Player Watch #5 Jack Ross - Concussion - TBC

[tony__montana]

I don’t think learning a bit of outside craft will hurt his overall game. If anything…gaining that experience on the wing will hopefully only benefit Ross.

you can see it’s already benefited him with the way he spreads from the contest, lots of overlaps receiving the give and go. Whereas at the start he was more stationary winning the hard ball and hand balling out and not really following through - at least that’s how I recall it

 

[Grrr]

They try things yes, but surely they have the idea that these players have a fall back and they will not lose the player or hinder his development.
For every Vlas scenario we get a Short and D Rioli this year - total revelations.
I still think Vlas has a cameo in the middle in him.

But there is a risk that due to moving him around so much which has led to being in and out of the side, and really he only got a game back in the 1's because of injury, other clubs may come a knocking. He has another week to press his claims further because Cotch may be back and Prestia most likely will, so what happens then. What if Cotch goes around again next year?

Others may be in the same boat at the moment, Stack, Cumberland, Mansell would all be getting pretty edgy about their futures and have to be played now, or sooner.

 

[Profop]

But there is a risk that due to moving him around so much which has led to being in and out of the side, and really he only got a game back in the 1's because of injury, other clubs may come a knocking. He has another week to press his claims further because Cotch may be back and Prestia most likely will, so what happens then. What if Cotch goes around again next year?

Others may be in the same boat at the moment, Stack, Cumberland, Mansell would all be getting pretty edgy about their futures and have to be played now, or sooner.

It’s a difficult balancing act though as we are still contending. Big game against Geelong and we did manage to play Ross, Clarke, MRJ, Gibcus and Ralphsmith

I think the message is if you’re good enough you’ll play

Next season will likely see Lambert and Edwards (at least) retire so I think players can see spots opening up

 

[mellowyellow]

This thread,amongst others, is testament to the fact that players take time to become seasoned quality players and that posters should not be so hasty in riding off there careers before they have had sufficient time to prove otherwise

He's been slow to progress, but games like the one on the weekend are games in which in he showed the potential of what it take to be in the starting 22 .

Happy to see him keep his spot and prove his detractors wrong

 

[Growapair]

Bloody love Jack Ross

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Jack Ross

Age

25

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187cm

Wt

87kg

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M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

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16.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

2.7

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.7

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.7

2star

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1.7

3star

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2.0

4star

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17.8

5star

K

8.0

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9.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

CL

3.0

5star

. Absolute Legend

 

[Muddiemoose]

But there is a risk that due to moving him around so much which has led to being in and out of the side, and really he only got a game back in the 1's because of injury, other clubs may come a knocking. He has another week to press his claims further because Cotch may be back and Prestia most likely will, so what happens then. What if Cotch goes around again next year?

Others may be in the same boat at the moment, Stack, Cumberland, Mansell would all be getting pretty edgy about their futures and have to be played now, or sooner.

Every single club has players who are on the cusp of selection it’s just a reality of professional sport

Can’t be playing guys and potentially weakening the side or on field structures because you are afraid someone is going to leave and look for opportunities elsewhere

You pick the best side every week to give you the best chance of winning games

 

[Grrr]

It’s a difficult balancing act though as we are still contending. Big game against Geelong and we did manage to play Ross, Clarke, MRJ, Gibcus and Ralphsmith

I think the message is if you’re good enough you’ll play

Next season will likely see Lambert and Edwards (at least) retire so I think players can see spots opening up

Yes, injuries saw to that in part, Cotchin, Balta, Lambert. Even when Ross went in he did not start in the guts but on a flank from memory (maybe the bench) preferring Graham. They could have backed him in from the start because after Prestia went down he filled the void much better than anyone else, or until Baker bobbed up.

They should have foreseen that Clarke was really going to struggle against a battle hardy mob like Geelong and put in Stack after his good game the week before. It was a finals like game, tough heads needed not skinny kids with some talent but still a long way off.

It has been very difficult breaking in and staying in such an established side like Richmond.

And would not be at all surprised if Castagna is given a gig this week, do they have the guts to back Stack and Cumberland together.

 

[Grrr]

Every single club has players who are on the cusp of selection it’s just a reality of professional sport

Can’t be playing guys and potentially weakening the side or on field structures because you are afraid someone is going to leave and look for opportunities elsewhere

You pick the best side every week to give you the best chance of winning games

So how can you justify Clarke over Stack. It was a no brainer in a finals like atmosphere like last week. Or why did Castagna get an armchair ride for so long.

I realise it is a juggle, but my main argument being young players on the edge of selection will have leave due to lack of backing or opportunity. For so long we went back to the same old crew. Putting Lambert in for a week then out again and straight back in is not great, especially if you are a young player watching on. Fine if he could run out games, but he can't.

Edwards on form should have been made sub on more than one occasion. Eventually he will find a bit of form, but he has been very sub standard for much of the season.

Whilst Cotchin has been pretty good this season, he is nowhere near the player he was, so he like the other mids should have been rotated a bit up forward to rotate a player like Ross through the middle a bit more.

I know they are champs of the club, but the balance has been out a bit in my eyes.

 

[Muddiemoose]

So how can you justify Clarke over Stack. It was a no brainer in a finals like atmosphere like last week. Or why did Castagna get an armchair ride for so long.

I realise it is a juggle, but my main argument being young players on the edge of selection will have leave due to lack of backing or opportunity. For so long we went back to the same old crew. Putting Lambert in for a week then out again and straight back in is not great, especially if you are a young player watching on. Fine if he could run out games, but he can't.

Edwards on form should have been made sub on more than one occasion. Eventually he will find a bit of form, but he has been very sub standard for much of the season.

Whilst Cotchin has been pretty good this season, he is nowhere near the player he was, so he like the other mids should have been rotated a bit up forward to rotate a player like Ross through the middle a bit more.

I know they are champs of the club, but the balance has been out a bit in my eyes.

Clarke over stack was simply stack had only played one decent game over a number of weeks, consistency is what the coaches look for in our younger players and until they show that they don’t get picked

Stack backed that up again on the weekend with another great game so he has probably put himself back into the selection mix

Cotchin is still a better inside mid than Ross, even as good as Ross’ game was on the weekend Cotchin will still get first dibs on the role

You were critical of the club playing Ross in different positions before but than go on to say Cotchin should be rotated to give Ross more of a look at the inside mid role, but if he can’t play other positions what will Ross be doing when he’s not in the middle? So you have just contradicted yourself in regards to the club making a mistake in planing Ross in different positions to make him a better player

 

[Grrr]

Clarke over stack was simply stack had only played one decent game over a number of weeks, consistency is what the coaches look for in our younger players and until they show that they don’t get picked

Stack backed that up again on the weekend with another great game so he has probably put himself back into the selection mix

Cotchin is still a better inside mid than Ross, even as good as Ross’ game was on the weekend Cotchin will still get first dibs on the role

You were critical of the club playing Ross in different positions before but than go on to say Cotchin should be rotated to give Ross more of a look at the inside mid role, but if he can’t play other positions what will Ross be doing when he’s not in the middle? So you have just contradicted yourself in regards to the club making a mistake in planing Ross in different positions to make him a better player

I would suggest that Stack had done the equal of what Clarke had done easily in the VFL. Not against giving Clarke a couple of games but it wasn't hard to predict as I said last week that he was going to struggle against an outfit like Geelong. All for giving a kid couple of games. And as I said last week we are wanting to find a battle hardened group to take into finals. Stack is probably the main one on the outer that needs to be put in. Cumberland has all the traits to go well at a higher level as well so would have been happy to see him get get a game, he has kicked 3+ goals in nearly every game lately in the VFL.

And Cotchin has not really played many better game than Ross did last week this season. He had been having a good enough season for sure but he is nowhere near the he was right now. It has been Baker and Bolton who have sparked us in the middle this season when we have needed it most.

As I said, I'm not advocating Ross taking Cotchin's position, but he should be rotated. I think Cotch could go find forward, his pressure at the ball and the man would be better than any other player we have. He has a touch of Townsend about him and defenders would certainly know he would be around. He hasn't been asked to do that role this season which I think he should have.

I have not been critical of Ross playing other positions. I have stated that they have tried to find a position for Ross while the inside mid positions have been full, Prestia and Cotchin. He went well on the wing considering he was not a wingman and had games of 20+ possessions. If anything I have been critical of Ross at the VFL level because he has skirted pack (a bit like a wingman) when he should have been running through them. The last VFL game he played he dominated because he hunted the ball. I have also stated I think his average use of the ball is far overstated and like all young players that has a lot to do with confidence.

I was a little disappointed that they went with Graham over Ross at the start of the game last week, and that only Prestia going down allowed Ross to get his turn as a full time mid, and he went well.

 

[Profop]

A game like the one last week is worth it’s weight in gold for a young player like Clarke

 

[db26]

Needs to back it up now and leave him in the guts.

 

[Grrr]

A game like the one last week is worth it’s weight in gold for a young player like Clarke

That is true, but we are trying to win every game we can in a very close run at finals.

 

[Muddiemoose]

I would suggest that Stack had done the equal of what Clarke had done easily in the VFL. Not against giving Clarke a couple of games but it wasn't hard to predict as I said last week that he was going to struggle against an outfit like Geelong. All for giving a kid couple of games. And as I said last week we are wanting to find a battle hardened group to take into finals. Stack is probably the main one on the outer that needs to be put in. Cumberland has all the traits to go well at a higher level as well so would have been happy to see him get get a game, he has kicked 3+ goals in nearly every game lately in the VFL.

And Cotchin has not really played many better game than Ross did last week this season. He had been having a good enough season for sure but he is nowhere near the he was right now. It has been Baker and Bolton who have sparked us in the middle this season when we have needed it most.

As I said, I'm not advocating Ross taking Cotchin's position, but he should be rotated. I think Cotch could go find forward, his pressure at the ball and the man would be better than any other player we have. He has a touch of Townsend about him and defenders would certainly know he would be around. He hasn't been asked to do that role this season which I think he should have.

I have not been critical of Ross playing other positions. I have stated that they have tried to find a position for Ross while the inside mid positions have been full, Prestia and Cotchin. He went well on the wing considering he was not a wingman and had games of 20+ possessions. If anything I have been critical of Ross at the VFL level because he has skirted pack (a bit like a wingman) when he should have been running through them. The last VFL game he played he dominated because he hunted the ball. I have also stated I think his average use of the ball is far overstated and like all young players that has a lot to do with confidence.

I was a little disappointed that they went with Graham over Ross at the start of the game last week, and that only Prestia going down allowed Ross to get his turn as a full time mid, and he went well.

If you go back over the vfl reports Clarke had a very consistent run of good form leading up to this inclusion in the side, stacks consistency has been all over the shop all year

 

[Profop]

That is true, but we are trying to win every game we can in a very close run at finals.

Definitely a balancing act but in reality Prestia doesn’t get belted in the head we get the win and the experience into the kids

 

[Grrr]

If you go back over the vfl reports Clarke had a very consistent run of good form leading up to this inclusion in the side, stacks consistency has been all over the shop all year

I have watched most of the VFL games and whilst Clarke has class and skill, he is an outside player that can hurt the opposition with limited touch. So to giving him games was a good idea, but I think they should have left it at 2 because 63kg ringing wet is not going to cut it in a finals type game, which this effectively was against Geelong.

Stack has been going along okay, but it all clicked 2 weeks ago. Coincidently it was after they put him behind the ball at half back for a half where he hit the ball at speed. This is exactly why when they threw Stack forward in games gone at AFL level where he has done well, because he was in form, and in form Stack can do anything.

He took that form and hitting the ball at speed into the VFL two weeks ago and should have been included against Geelong.

If not him they should have punted on Cumberland who just kicks 3 goals every game he plays, last week 4. He is also strong, aggressive and a confidence player.

 

[Karp3_dm]

I have watched most of the VFL games and whilst Clarke has class and skill, he is an outside player that can hurt the opposition with limited touch. So to giving him games was a good idea, but I think they should have left it at 2 because 63kg ringing wet is not going to cut it in a finals type game, which this effectively was against Geelong.

Stack has been going along okay, but it all clicked 2 weeks ago. Coincidently it was after they put him behind the ball at half back for a half where he hit the ball at speed. This is exactly why when they threw Stack forward in games gone at AFL level where he has done well, because he was in form, and in form Stack can do anything.

He took that form and hitting the ball at speed into the VFL two weeks ago and should have been included against Geelong.

If not him they should have punted on Cumberland who just kicks 3 goals every game he plays, last week 4. He is also strong, aggressive and a confidence player.

Spot on
Be an absolute travesty if Stack or Cumberland doesn’t play this weekend if not both

 

[SleepingGiant]

Ross I think is key to our finals campaign. I just don’t see Lambert and all miss playing at once. If he plays like he did against Geelong nobody will be able to remove him.

 

[SleepingGiant]

I have watched most of the VFL games and whilst Clarke has class and skill, he is an outside player that can hurt the opposition with limited touch. So to giving him games was a good idea, but I think they should have left it at 2 because 63kg ringing wet is not going to cut it in a finals type game, which this effectively was against Geelong.

Stack has been going along okay, but it all clicked 2 weeks ago. Coincidently it was after they put him behind the ball at half back for a half where he hit the ball at speed. This is exactly why when they threw Stack forward in games gone at AFL level where he has done well, because he was in form, and in form Stack can do anything.

He took that form and hitting the ball at speed into the VFL two weeks ago and should have been included against Geelong.

If not him they should have punted on Cumberland who just kicks 3 goals every game he plays, last week 4. He is also strong, aggressive and a confidence player.

I agree but the confidence Clarke gets running into next year is invaluable. He played one game well, some average, and now knows what it’s going to take. We have the luxury of a healthy list and can rotate players to have a look before settling for a finals lineup.

 

[Grrr]

I agree but the confidence Clarke gets running into next year is invaluable. He played one game well, some average, and now knows what it’s going to take. We have the luxury of a healthy list and can rotate players to have a look before settling for a finals lineup.

We have to make the finals yet, it's not a given. Talk about giving rotating players, reckon Syd and Cumberland are due, or overdue.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

He is only 21. Seems like his been around for a lot longer. Once he gets to 50 games he will lock in his position

21? Legit thought he was like 24 for some reason

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Needs to back it up now and leave him in the guts.

Yep, hope he can get that consistency, that he needs to stay in the seniors.

Personally I haven’t been overly optimistic about Ross , but last week was impressive and 2 VFL games prior to that he was excellent.

Give him his dues he’s never dropped his head or sooked it up, when dropped back to the 2s, just continued to work his arse off

 

[Mr Magic]

So how can you justify Clarke over Stack. It was a no brainer in a finals like atmosphere like last week. Or why did Castagna get an armchair ride for so long.

I realise it is a juggle, but my main argument being young players on the edge of selection will have leave due to lack of backing or opportunity. For so long we went back to the same old crew. Putting Lambert in for a week then out again and straight back in is not great, especially if you are a young player watching on. Fine if he could run out games, but he can't.

Edwards on form should have been made sub on more than one occasion. Eventually he will find a bit of form, but he has been very sub standard for much of the season.

Whilst Cotchin has been pretty good this season, he is nowhere near the player he was, so he like the other mids should have been rotated a bit up forward to rotate a player like Ross through the middle a bit more.

I know they are champs of the club, but the balance has been out a bit in my eyes.

I am concerned about the performances of Vlastuin, Broad and Rioli on the weekend in the backline. Defensively they where shown up at times especially with Geelong running into space

Some of our players are not as bulletproof as others like to make out

Frankly Ross was nowhere near our weakest player on the weekend but its interesting the fox footy commentary called him out not staying with Cameron which resulted in a goal and also not defensively sticking with Stengle on a flank at a bounce which caused another score to

Its madness Stack is not in, even as a back and or forward.at least 2 or 3 players could be taken out for Stack if not more

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Its madness Stack is not in, even as a back and or forward.at least 2 or 3 players could be taken out for Stack if not more

It was madness having Soldo as a sub...that ought to have been Edwards!
It was madness trialling Clarke over Stack...not against a seasoned side like Scats!
Another game lost at the selection table...madness!

 

[Livonski]

It was madness having Soldo as a sub...that ought to have been Edwards!
It was madness trialling Clarke over Stack...not against a seasoned side like Scats!
Another game lost at the selection table...madness!

And if Nank got injured?