Abortion

[JW Frogen]

That is, of course, assuming god is actually real. Right?

You can't bring religious arguments into abortion.

BTW, if everything "alive is alive once it is alive", how do you feel about killing yeast and bacteria? How about using mice and rats to find cures for cancer?

God is real, as you will experience when you are ready.

But I am not bringing God into it , I was responding to God being brought into it.

Life begins when it begins; sometimes we have to kill life.

Welcome to life.

The attempt to define a conceived human as something less as alive to make the decision to kill too easy on the ego is not really a dignified way to lend gravity to what may be the right decision.

Example; my wife and I lost a child at seven weeks through chicken pocks of all things!

For me, it was OK, we will try again.

My wife lost a child, and felt as though she lost a child. She still feels this way.

It was a life, it existed in the state biologically it was supposed to exist in at that state as a life.

It was alive.

Sometimes it the best decision is to kill that life, if you can not give it a better life in it's future development, or if it will destroy the mother's fully developed life, but to pretend it is not killing is a con job for the weak or disrespectful of life.

We kill to eat, we kill in war, we kill to stop crime.

Killing is not the same thing as murder.

Some times we have to kill.

All I am saying is have the human dignity to admit what you are doing, to honour that which has been killed, and to honour your own accountability to the Universe.

To God.

 

[Richo83]

Everything alive expierences God.

And everything alive is alive once it is alive, so a political decision to say a conceived human life is not alive until I no longer feel comfortable killing it, is a cowards way out.

Some times we have to kill.

Be a man, accept it, and stand up to the horror that sometimes we have to comit to be alive.

Froggy, just because you keep repeating something, it doesn't make true.

 

[JW Frogen]

Froggy, just because you keep repeating something, it doesn't make true.

It won't be true for you until you do, which you will.

 

[KevinCat07]

Abortion is killing. If it wasn't murder or killing, the mother would not have a hard time about having an abortion. But they always do feel emotionally upset, because they know they have done something wrong. Comparing animals with human life which begins at conception is a joke. But trust an Atheist to equate a cow with a human.

 

[fairdinkum]

Abortion is killing. If it wasn't murder or killing, the mother would not have a hard time about having an abortion. But they always do feel emotionally upset, because they know they have done something wrong. Comparing animals with human life which begins at conception is a joke. But trust an Atheist to equate a cow with a human.

It is unlikely that you are truly as stupid as you appear to be on this forum.

Go back and re-read my posts regarding animal life vs. human life, and you will see that I was making a philosophical point about why human life is indeed more 'valuable' than human life.

 

[BomberGal]

God is real, as you will experience when you are ready.

lol.

God is a fairytale. You may realise this one day.

Do you see the problem with us telling each other this? It achieves nothing.

But I am not bringing God into it , I was responding to God being brought into it.

You are, by insisting on the sanctity of life because of God.

Life begins when it begins; sometimes we have to kill life.

Exactly.

But you failed to answer my question about yeasts, bacteria, rats and mice.

All I am saying is have the human dignity to admit what you are doing, to honour that which has been killed, and to honour your own accountability to the Universe.

This depends on your definition of life.

You have not provided one when I asked.

 

[BomberGal]

It won't be true for you until you do, which you will.

Is this really sound logic in your mind?

Forget reason and logic, just repeat things to yourself until you have somehow brainwashed yourself?

Right.

 

[JW Frogen]

lol.

God is a fairytale. You may realise this one day.

Thus we have the certainty of the fundementalist.


QUOTE=BomberGal;11611853]You are, by insisting on the sanctity of life because of God.[/QUOTE]

I will put this one down to reading comprehenstion problems. I am insisting on nothing, afterall I am saying aborition is justified killing.

Life is santified by it's being, just have the dignity and courage to admit you are advocating killing it rather than looking for an easy, arbitrary semantic way out of being honest.

You have not provided one when I asked.

I did answer, it is hardly my fault you are well not quite "alive" enough to understand.

Life begins when it begins, at conception.

All life.

And sometimes it is nessisary to kill other life.

The word nessisary is very different to the word moral, or good.

You want your killing and moral virtue too, but I can't give it too you.

 

[JW Frogen]

lol.

God is a fairytale. You may realise this one day.

Thus we have the certainty of the fundementalist.

You are, by insisting on the sanctity of life because of God.

I will put this one down to reading comprehenstion problems. I am insisting on nothing, afterall I am saying aborition is justified killing.

Life is santified by it's being, it's own existence (one more God experience, why being rather than nothingness?), all I am saying is you should have the human dignity, God or no God, the courage to admit you are advocating killing a life rather than looking for an easy, arbitrary semantic way out of being honest.

You have not provided one when I asked.

I did answer, it is hardly my fault you are, well, not quite "alive" enough to understand.

Life begins when it begins, at conception. All other definitions are arbitrary and made from political or emotional conviencence.

Sometimes it is nessisary to kill other life.

You want your killing and moral virtue too, but I can't give it too you.

 

[BomberGal]

And sometimes it is nessisary to kill other life.

You want your killing and moral virtue too, but I can't give it too you.

No, I'm just wondering since you see killing as killing in such black and white terms, how you regard killing animals in the lab.

 

[JW Frogen]

No, I'm just wondering since you see killing as killing in such black and white terms, how you regard killing animals in the lab.

It all depends on the lab and the reason.

For a new type of eye shadow, no.

For a cure for cancer, yes.

Just like abortion, if the mother is too weak a human being to raise a child, if she is so emotionally out of whack giving birth to a new life for adoption will destroy her life, yes.

If she is just a selfish, nihilist bitch who uses abortion as a form of birth control because she is stupid and lazy, no.

 

[Farmer Palmer]

It won't be true for you until you do, which you will.

How old are you Frogen? Is there any reason you speak like a 70s guru trying to impress schoolgirls?

Actually scratch that, you sound more like bad dubbing of a Chinese martial arts movie when the hero is taking advice from the blind master. Pure cliche.

 

[mantis]

It all depends on the lab and the reason.

For a new type of eye shadow, no.

For a cure for cancer, yes.

Just like abortion, if the mother is too weak a human being to raise a child, if she is so emotionally out of whack giving birth to a new life for adoption will destroy her life, yes.

If she is just a selfish, nihilist bitch who uses abortion as a form of birth control because she is stupid and lazy, no.QUOTE]

Get back to me when you are able to get pregnant, you men who have no ****ing idea what it's like to go through pregnancy & giving birth, telling us what we should do with our bodies, FO.

As to the idiot who said the father has a right to decide as well, again FO, they convince the woman to have the kid & then piss off.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

It all depends on the lab and the reason.

For a new type of eye shadow, no.

For a cure for cancer, yes.

Just like abortion, if the mother is too weak a human being to raise a child, if she is so emotionally out of whack giving birth to a new life for adoption will destroy her life, yes.

If she is just a selfish, nihilist bitch who uses abortion as a form of birth control because she is stupid and lazy, no.QUOTE]

Get back to me when you are able to get pregnant, you men who have no ****ing idea what it's like to go through pregnancy & giving birth, telling us what we should do with our bodies, FO.

As to the idiot who said the father has a right to decide as well, again FO, they convince the woman to have the kid & then piss off.

I'd like to know this "guys" thoughts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/04/usa.gender


Ok ok not really but lets go wit hit.

Had to

 

[mantis]

I'd like to know this "guys" thoughts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/04/usa.gender


Ok ok not really but lets go wit hit.

Had to

Get back to me, when you have gone through 9 months of pregnancy & then spat something out the size of a watermelon, out of a hole, no where near that size.

 

[Richo83]

If she is just a selfish, nihilist bitch who uses abortion as a form of birth control because she is stupid and lazy, no.

Not your call froggy, and it never will be.

 

[bit_pattern]

Not your call froggy, and it never will be.

Exactly

Anyway, and i haven{t read the whole thread so don{t know whether this has been brought up already, abortion actually reduces crime and poverty and can be a very positive force in society... Or so that guy who wrote Freakonomics says anyway...

Me personally, I would like to think it wouldn{t be something I would do, I have my own ideas on what constitutes life - I think a cell becomes a ñifeform when the DMT producing pineal gland begins to form on about the 42nd day of gestation, a period that correlates with the Mahayana Buhddist timeframe of the bardo afterlife period - but I would NEVER deign to dictate my own moral values onto anyone else.

 

[SolidTiger]

Get back to me when you are able to get pregnant, you men who have no ****ing idea what it's like to go through pregnancy & giving birth, telling us what we should do with our bodies, FO.

As to the idiot who said the father has a right to decide as well, again FO, they convince the woman to have the kid & then piss off.

The father would have to be a complete idiot if he did that. He would have to pay child support for a child he doesn't want. He would be better off to have conviced her to have an abortion.

 

[JW Frogen]

Not your call froggy, and it never will be.

If you read what I am writing, I am not making it my call.

I am only discussing the truth of killing.

 

[JW Frogen]

Get back to me when you are able to get pregnant, you men who have no ****ing idea what it's like to go through pregnancy & giving birth, telling us what we should do with our bodies, FO. :

If you have such wisdom on the subject, then should you not prepare, use birth control, rather than killing?

Now, things happen, some times we have to kill, some times we ____ up big time, some times we are too weak to raise a child, or give birth to one and let it be adopted, then I concede you have the right to kill (under current law and time frames) to perserve your own sanity or health, but do not tell yourself you are not killing.

It lends no dignity to your own body, to your own life, to the body and life who helped conceive that life you just killed.

 

[JW Frogen]

Get back to me when you are able to get pregnant, you men who have no ****ing idea what it's like to go through pregnancy & giving birth, telling us what we should do with our bodies, FO. :

If you have such wisdom on the subject, then should you not prepare, use birth control, rather than killing?

Now, things happen, some times we have to kill, so if you ____ up big time, and we all do from time to time, and you are too weak to raise a child, or give birth to one and let it be adopted, then I concede you have the right to kill (under current law and time frames) to perserve your own sanity or health, but do not tell yourself you are not killing.

It lends no dignity to your own body, the body and life that helped conceive that life you just killed.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

If you have such wisdom on the subject, then should you not prepare, use birth control, rather than killing?

Now, things happen, some times we have to kill, so if you ____ up big time, and we all do from time to time, and you are too weak to raise a child, or give birth to one and let it be adopted, then I concede you have the right to kill (under current law and time frames) to perserve your own sanity or health, but do not tell yourself you are not killing.

It lends no dignity to your own body, the body and life that helped conceive that life you just killed.

And that's game ladies and gentlemen.

 

[JW Frogen]

And that's game ladies and gentlemen.

Do laides and gentlemen have sex?

At least good sex?

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Do laides and gentlemen have sex?

At least good sex?

I'd say they do, and don't have abortions.

Masochist sadists have abortions and justified killing.

 

[BomberGal]

I am only discussing the truth of killing.

Your truth.