Play Nice Adam Goodes

[JP2]

Lumumba just did the same celebration. Why isn't this place in meltdown mode?

 

[clogged]

I'm not sure everyone appreciated this.

Nazi Salute

 

[captain cotch 9]

Reverse racism in Australia is now a bigger issue IMO.
Where is the Dutch round? The Pomey Round? The Irish Round? The Greek Round?

 

[Gak Attack]

Lumumba just did the same celebration. Why isn't this place in meltdown mode?

Because I don't think there's any argument that he is a flog.

 

[Pusswah]

Yes I wish he did not do it, he made a fool of himself and it was embarrassing to behold live, I could see so many in the crowd cringing at his antics. Even worse, the whites are seething now, they won't shut up about it and want him deported back to the country he came from. Adam tried to recognise his culture but it backfired. If only he was Brendon Goddard, who made handcuff gestures in support of his vile drug-pushing brother who was doing time in jail for heroine trafficking. It is much easier to forgive support for drug-dealers than forgive a silly dance, nobody boos Brendon anymore about it (unless you're a drugcist) but now Adam will be booed you long time. Forget Indigenous Round, it is now Adam Goodes Round.

And it was a shit gesture that he did. Five years ago. I don't think a great proportion of the public supported his action at the time.

 

[GoodesFella]

The fact that there is a 70 page thread, mostly negativity towards adam and countless attacks on his character shows that Adam Goodes is winning this, that he is right, this country needs to have a conversation.

And it seems the most inarticulate replies have been from people who cannot even get simple Grammar right, how are we expected to think these people have the ability to become educated on indigenous affairs?

What a terrible time to be an australian, ruled by an ultra conservative racists and uncompassionate government, a media that is pamering to the lowest common denominator and a country suffering from a massive cultural identiy problem and one that is suffering from massive denial but then this:

• 70 pages filled disguised racism.
• countless edited racist wiki pages.
• Racebook engaging in non stop vitriol towards him.
• Known racists like Andrew Bolt and just then, Dermott Brereton, all lambasting Adam.

Australia, we have a massive problem.

 

[bigfarter]

He stood there for several seconds pointing at the child and gesturing for the burly security guards to come over and take her away. At which point do you think he felt threatened?

I don't think he felt threatened. I think he felt racially vilified and players are totally within their rights to point out crowd members who do that within earshot. Whether he immediately knew the person he said it was a child, only he knows. I didn't think she was a kid when I saw it live so I think people are being presumptive in claiming Goodes knew. From memory, the live thread here wasn't full of people saying "She's just a kid!" at the time.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Why would that be a big deal? You're 30+ meters away anyway, why would it have to be stopped?

Has it ever happened in Rugby?

The answer is no and the reason is obvious.

 

[telsor]

So, chest bumping, shoulder charges, little digs to the ribs are ok, but a dance isn't? The game is based on besting your opponents, so what's the big issue?

Do you see players chest bumping, shoulder charging and giving digs in the ribs to spectators?

I don't recall seeing that in a very long time, and even then it was considered a very bad thing.

 

[clogged]

What about a player who kicks a ball as hard as he can into the opposition supporters end?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...to-fremantle-fan/story-e6frf9jf-1225855866431

 

[Underdog]

Lumumba just did the same celebration. Why isn't this place in meltdown mode?

As much as he's a flog too, he's not topical right now.

 

[Pusswah]

The fact that there is a 70 page thread, mostly negativity towards adam and countless attacks on his character shows that Adam Goodes is winning this, that he is right, this country needs to have a conversation.

And it seems the most inarticulate replies have been from people who cannot even get simple Grammar right, how are we expected to think these people have the ability to become educated on indigenous affairs?

What a terrible time to be an australian, ruled by an ultra conservative racists and uncompassionate government, a media that is pamering to the lowest common denominator and a country suffering from a massive cultural identiy problem and one that is suffering from massive denial but then this:

• 70 pages filled disguised racism.
• countless edited racist wiki pages.
• Racebook engaging in non stop vitriol towards him.
• Known racists like Andrew Bolt and just then, Dermott Brereton, all lambasting Adam.

Australia, we have a massive problem.

You're right, a handful of terrible people on the internet are able to get a disproportionate amount of attention. And some folks in the media are offering their opinion which is different to yours.

The whole country is obviously stuffed.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a whole heap of people that think some of the nastier things you've mentioned are acceptable. I bet the vast majority would find them reprehensible.

 

[The King!]

Do you see players chest bumping, shoulder charging and giving digs in the ribs to spectators?

I don't recall seeing that in a very long time, and even then it was considered a very bad thing.

Yeah over the top celebrations are generally wanky

But is it worth all this blow up?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The two couldn't be further apart! What a horrible comparison

Why is it a bad comparison?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I have to admit the was McGuire and Dermott went on was pathetic, I didn't find it violent at all, it was just twattish. They're way off the mark with it being a threat and they both looked like idiots.

Spot on. I'm afraid I'm not going to sift through 71 pages, but I couldn't believe how much oxygen they gave what was really worth a couple of seconds in the highlights at best. I'm not going to pretend to remember exactly what they said last night, but everyone that I can remember (Brereton, McGuire, Maclure, Hall - to a lesser extent) that spoke on the panel was speaking in grave tones about it 'not being what you want to see on the field'. I honestly believe if it had been a less 'outspoken' Indigenous player last night, or if Adam Goodes had done it 5-10 years ago, it would have been applauded. I really do.

As far as I'm concerned, it was no more inflammatory than that iconic picture of Michael O'Loughlin getting in the faces of the Eagles cheer squad at Subiaco after kicking a goal. No more offensive than players kicking a goal and then crossing their wrists as a nod to a mate/relative in prison. I'd love for those that are criticising Goodes' actions to explain why what he did was worse. A bit of that 'passion' that people always claim they are after. A bit pre-meditated and wanky? Yeah, I'll accept those criticisms of it. But geez...talk about blowing something out of all proportion.

 

[james brayshaw]

If you're an aboriginal or African-American, you are fair enough to assume that when someone shouts "Ape!" at you, they're doing so for racist reasons. Maybe the girl in question didn't mean it in that way but how was Goodes to know that? This is what I hate - where people assume he knew she was a young girl and was not using the word in the way it's been historically used against dark-skinned people. He instinctively turned and pointed to what he fairly assumed to be a racist comment aimed at him. People who think he had time to stop, identify the girl's age and context of the comment/motives behind it are being historically ignorant and insensitive, in my opinion.

Saying that someone looks like an ape does not make you racist.

Are you really comfortable playing such an extremely valuable ignorance card?

I can assure you I am not ignorant when it comes to issues of racism.

 

[telsor]

Yeah over the top celebrations are generally wanky

But is it worth all this blow up?

How would you respond if an anglo player directed a white power salute and fired an imaginary rifle at an aboriginal section of the audience, then claimed afterwards it was because he was proud of his race and 'representing'?

Would that be 'worth all this blow up'?

 

[GoodesFella]

You're right, a handful of terrible people on the internet are able to get a disproportionate amount of attention. And some folks in the media are offering their opinion which is different to yours.

The whole country is obviously stuffed.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a whole heap of people that think some of the nastier things you've mentioned are acceptable. I bet the vast majority would find them reprehensible.

You missed the whole point, which is why we have the issues we do.

Its not about how you feel and about how i feel, its about how a collective consciousness of people feel and how we, those in privileged potions, act towards them.

Thats Adams point, one that is missed by the vast australian public.

 

[The King!]

How would you respond if an anglo player directed a white power salute and fired an imaginary rifle at an aboriginal section of the audience, then claimed afterwards it was because he was proud of his race and 'representing'?

Honestly?


If he is on my team id think why do that, if he was opposition id probably say what a w***er at the time then get over it


I tend to think kick your goal and celebrate with your team mates, dont mind a bit of crowd interaction doesnt bother me

Comparing a tribal dance to a white power salute miming a rifle is a bit of a stretch imo as well.

 

[bigfarter]

Saying that someone looks like an ape does not make you racist.

You quoted my entire post but evidently didn't read it. I didn't say it was racist. I said Goodes had every reason to believe it was racist, as in most cases, historically, when a white person has called a black person an "ape" they have done so for racist reasons.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I don't think he felt threatened. I think he felt racially vilified and players are totally within their rights to point out crowd members who do that within earshot. Whether he immediately knew the person he said it was a child, only he knows. I didn't think she was a kid when I saw it live so I think people are being presumptive in claiming Goodes knew. From memory, the live thread here wasn't full of people saying "She's just a kid!" at the time.

And, of course, after the initial (and obvious) distress), Goodes got on the front foot and publicly said that he hoped the girl would be supported and educated. Something that people conveniently seem to forget, when they feel he deserves any blame whatsoever for that entire incident.

 

[telsor]

Honestly?


If he is on my team id think why do that, if he was opposition id probably say what a ****** at the time then get over it


I tend to think kick your goal and celebrate with your team mates, dont mind a bit of crowd interaction doesnt bother me

Comparing a tribal dance to a white power salute miming a rifle is a bit of a stretch imo as well.

It's a race based war dance and involves a mimed spear throw...What would you consider 'equivalent', and how would you react to that?

 

[deflated]

He stood there for several seconds pointing at the child and gesturing for the burly security guards to come over and take her away. At which point do you think he felt threatened?

Why do you keep using that word in this context? Why can he not be deeply insulted, extremely offended or embarrassed for his fellow Australians when someone describes him as a primate?

 

[Redalert]

The fact that there is a 70 page thread, mostly negativity towards adam and countless attacks on his character shows that Adam Goodes is winning this, that he is right, this country needs to have a conversation.

Or alternatively Adam Goodes is a divisive figure, who should be viewed in a critical light just like any other public personality.

 

[GoodesFella]

Saying that someone looks like an ape does not make you racist.



I can assure you I am not ignorant when it comes to issues of racism.

I dont even know where to begin with this..