Play Nice Adam Goodes

[HTPunter]

In European football if you celebrate a goal by what is deemed to inflame or antagonize the opposition fans you are penalized by a card , suspension or fine. Why is it that an aboriginal man can aggressively charge at a group of opposition fans and not be penalized? People argue well it was a celebration of his heritage! Well do you think he could've celebrated his heritage and his goal by doing what he did to his own supporters or teammates and then hugging them afterwards? Doesn't he understand how this could culturally inflame a situation or upset white people who couldnt understand the unique celebration? Should we bow down to his superior knowledge of aboriginal culture and accept that he upsets white people through his actions? Adam Goodes needs to grow up and stop playing the race card otherwise he will drift into insignificance and not garner the support he deserves for race related issues in this country.

Probably because if you deliberately antagonise a crowd of European football fans you will get Neo-nazi marches and riots. Perhaps best to avoid that.

 

[Craigacat]

... It turns the debate away from booing or even the reason for doing it. Now we get to discuss whether we have problems with an indigenous man expressing pride in his heritage. It doesn't matter IMHO whether he directed the dance to Carlton supporters who would have been the ones booing him or Swans fans or fellow players. It was great theatre and a great response to the situation.

Adam Goodes has every right to think the way he thinks and to act the way he acts. However, I think he should choose to act differently at times.

I believe that the way Nicky Winmar expressed pride in his heritage was far more measured and effective than what we saw last night.

 

[wce4premiership]

I have to admit the was McGuire and Dermott went on was pathetic, I didn't find it violent at all, it was just twattish. They're way off the mark with it being a threat and they both looked like idiots.

 

[Sttew]

Or both.

Or deliberately provocative....that was my take on this. There's nothing wrong with that, but he cannot expect what he did to go unnoticed

 

[JoseMourinho]

Probably because Adam Goodes is not playing European football.

He has tackled a few times like he was though

 

[Underdog]

A war cry is designed fire up the performer and to intimidate the opposition.
Surely Adam isn't performing this as respecting his heritage without understanding how others can interpret it differently?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

And you still can't understand why?

oh i understand why perfectly well. Many afl supporters prefer their blackfellas to hold their tongues.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Because we don't have a history of crowd violence like European football. Read Fever Pitch, the awesome novel by Nick Hornby of what happened to him when I think it was Charlie George gave the forks to opposition fans (Derby?). He (as a 14 year old) was chased back to his train with bottles being thrown at him by opposition supporters. Thank God, we don't have that here.

Charlie George? Geez mate, you are going back a bit. There's rarely trouble at games in England these days.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/home-office-football-arrests-are-lowest-on-record

 

[Maddhew]

Reminded me of this

and thats not a bad thing

 

[deflated]

<snipped reference to Andrew Bolt column>

You don't have to convince me or anyone else that he's not a good bloke, but so what? No rebuttal to any of the points he makes?

Not sure if you got your rebuttal elsewhere but the column builds its argument around indigenous players for the home team not getting booed the same way an indigenous player for an away team was booed. Even racists know to shut up when their team has the ball, if there were any racist Hawk fans of course they aren't going to boo Rioli, their non-racist brethren would shut that noise quick.

 

[The King!]

I don't know why I'm bothering responding, apart from my raging hangover that has confined me to the couch

Yup people who hate him will jump up and down over this dance like he has shot someone and is a a prick, others will say they are racist, then people will say they arent,

Some people hate him, some love him, he celebrated a goal with a dance, some will think its wanky others wont, move on and get over it, no one got hurt, no one is dead, the world went on

Or we could all go back and forth and argue the same point of view non stop, rarely see someone debate here and go hang on yeah i am wrong and change their mind


If adam goodes celebration bothers you so much to the point you need to constantly bang on about it and condemn him like he should be punished then you need to take a chill pill and get over it, find a hobby

 

[HTPunter]

My views on this:

-I find it odd that he viewed Yarran differently - why drive that wedge between Aboriginals/whites, when the point of the night was Sydney v Carlton, and the point of the round is celebrating inclusion and acceptance?

-I don't see anything wrong with the celebration. I don't get upset when a bunch of big Maori blokes do the Haka in the faces of our Australian players in an attempt to intimidate them. I don't get upset when Goodes does a dance in a celebration. They are incorporating their culture into sport. How is this a problem?

-He did not 'aggressively' go towards the crowd FFS, he was about 30 meters away from the crowd. I could accept this point if he did right up to the fence or even jumped the fence.

 

[wce4premiership]

Brett Goodes hasnt delivered some home truths. Adam Goodes has.

Mohammad Ali gets standing Os everywhere he goes now, but don't forget he was seen (by racists) as a black radical who should keep his mouth shut. He would always criticise the US as a war mongering racist society.

The same arguments have been re-heated and directed at Goodes.

The two couldn't be further apart! What a horrible comparison

 

[psychobrown]

Yes I wish he did not do it, he made a fool of himself and it was embarrassing to behold live, I could see so many in the crowd cringing at his antics. Even worse, the whites are seething now, they won't shut up about it and want him deported back to the country he came from. Adam tried to recognise his culture but it backfired. If only he was Brendon Goddard, who made handcuff gestures in support of his vile drug-pushing brother who was doing time in jail for heroine trafficking. It is much easier to forgive support for drug-dealers than forgive a silly dance, nobody boos Brendon anymore about it (unless you're a drugcist) but now Adam will be booed you long time. Forget Indigenous Round, it is now Adam Goodes Round.

 

[Andrew Mc]

I have to admit the was McGuire and Dermott went on was pathetic, I didn't find it violent at all, it was just twattish. They're way off the mark with it being a threat and they both looked like idiots.

To be fair, that's not a stretch for them, especially Derm.

 

[thequarry]

I think the staging and free kicks and umpire/afl pet thing was the reason why Goodes had become out of favour on field. Got booing etc. Calling out a little girl for calling him a name definitely polarised him for the entire country.

I think that logical thinkers can separate their left thinking from Goodes' actions. He is clearly inviting/inciting the divisions that exist between him and his detractors and calling it a racial thing. He is a professional victim more and more each year. This feeds into his politic ambition. Keep the spotlight. Keep the spotlight. The thing is, most people hate that kind of behaviour.

So his detractors now boo him over TWO facets of his actions and character. Race does not factor into this assessment of him. I can't see anyone else calling him a flog also calling Nicky Winmar or David Wirrpunda etc flogs too for speaking out.

Exactly. When you can point to an indigenous player who never got any flak for his beliefs because of how he acted -- You really can start to see that the Adam Goodes thing is almost exclusively about him and not his skin colour.

Naysayer extreme leftists don't care about evidence such as this. They must stick to the social justice message. Any hint of indigenous negativity, even just of one inidividual = entirely racist. You don't like Adam Goodes??? Wow, you are a racist or what?

Amazing comment! I agree completely.

Its amazing how true the Goodes apologist brigade thinks this is. Just pivot to race card when losing support for the messenger. Message too important. Must back golden boy. Must keep going. Must.

You are right. The blind following and advocacy of Adam Goodes and his every action never questioned does prompt me to think those people need educating. If I was indigenous I'd be embarrassed that he is the #1 icon of today. I'd want to make a petition to install Nicky Winmar in his place. Could trust that powerful honest person. Although I wouldn't say all that or else be accused of being against my own people by SJW's.

Prove it is everywhere? You want proof of the booing of Goodes not being racial. You've received and ignored the evidence. Pictures of incidents well before his 'stance'. Opinions aplenty stating the reasons booing would take place as any other player disliked!

Now you prove that racism is EVERYWHERE. Go

Not sure if Docker Alyssa or Andrew Bolt.

Everything you've said is either incredibly reductive (left/right), or sensationalist ("calling out a little girl"). And I still don't know what you're basing the whole "you really can start to see that Adam Goodes thing is almost exclusively about him and not his skin colour" thing on. You say "you've received and ignored the evidence". What is that? Why can't you understand that whilst some people might have booed him before what he did two years ago, it was only occasional games where he's slid into a player - and the booing would have only lasted that day - and then what he did two years ago obviously amplified the amount of booing he's received since. There are obviously a lot more people now really keen to rush to say "I only boo him because of the diving/umpiring/flog/Australian of the Year Award (on which he doesn't actually form a part of the judging panel) ever since. Until then no one had asked, but now it's happening a whole lot more and a whole more consistently for no real immediate reason.

 

[STFU Donnie]

The number of likes registered for post#3 is very sad. Very, very sad.

It is indigenous round, and the most prominent indigenous in the game now, perhaps ever, chooses to display his pride in his heritage by a traditional gesture. Get a f--king grip people!

I'm all for Goodes continuing with his stand. At the very least it reveals the true colours of a lot of people.

 

[skipper kelly]

I still stand by my assertion that not all of the booing towards Goodes is racially motivated (although I do concede it has become a forum for some racists to express their views). And I still stand by my assertion that the media's coverage over the week has been incredibly simplistic (eg Mark Robinson today grizzling that perhaps Hawthorn indigenous players should be supporting Goodes - perhaps if he did an iota of research he could have checked Cyril Rioli's twitter feed).

But I got to admit I loved what Goodes did last night. It turns the debate away from booing or even the reason for doing it. Now we get to discuss whether we have problems with an indigenous man expressing pride in his heritage. It doesn't matter IMHO whether he directed the dance to Carlton supporters who would have been the ones booing him or Swans fans or fellow players. It was great theatre and a great response to the situation.

Nailed it IMO.

Not all booers are racist
Some would be.
AFL media is atrocious
Don't listen to anyone that says all booers are racist
Dont listen to anyone that says all booers are not racist

War Dance = good theatre for a game that is becoming more and more sterile
People are entitled to like it.
People are entitled to hate it.

The only issue for me is why has the booing intensified since the Collingwood game and the AOTY? If the answer could be measured then things could change..

Most sports would embrace one of their own being given the award. That didn't happen in the AFL. That's weird to me.

Anyway, Goodes will keep doing what he does and people will continue to love him or hate him for their own reasons. One of those reasons for some people would be racism.

On a purely selfish level, can everyone please keep booing him because he will lift.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Just because a player gets booed does not automatically mean it has racial undertones.

Was it due to race that Matthew Lloyd got booed?

 

[HTPunter]

I have to admit the was McGuire and Dermott went on was pathetic, I didn't find it violent at all, it was just twattish. They're way off the mark with it being a threat and they both looked like idiots.

Yep. I have no problem with people thinking it was twattish - that's their view, and lots and lots of people have criticised past goal celebrations from players like Riewoldt, Akermanis, Brad Green etc. I don't agree, but I'm not going to argue that.

But to call it aggressive is just ridiculous. Well, I mean the whole point of it is to be aggressive and intimidate, but there's a difference between being 'aggressive' and being a legitimate threat.

 

[Maddhew]

The two couldn't be further apart! What a horrible comparison

How? Who is the pre-eminent indigenous sportsmen politically advocating for the good of his people?

 

[greg62]

Unfortunately his actions will just encourage the moronic elements in future games that like to provoke.

 

[The King!]

I have to admit the was McGuire and Dermott went on was pathetic, I didn't find it violent at all, it was just twattish. They're way off the mark with it being a threat and they both looked like idiots.

This is fine imo and what the majority who dislike it think

If you dont like the bloke, natural reaction is geez what a toss

But then you probably get over it the next day surely,

People dont want to be told they are racist because they dislike a player, and thats understandable

 

[GWBogan]

Just because a player gets booed does not automatically mean it has racial undertones.

Was it due to race that Matthew Lloyd got booed?

I'm not sure everyone appreciated this.

 

[HTPunter]

You've nailed it in one.

I have never seen the a Hakka performed by the NZ team directed at the opposition supporters and if it happened it would be quickly stopped.

Thanks for pointing this out

Why would that be a big deal? You're 30+ meters away anyway, why would it have to be stopped?