Play Nice Adam Goodes

[skipper kelly]

No it's the condescending tone which is pissing people off.

I have enough life experience to recognise a flog when I see one. Yet he's telling me I'm wrong and that I need some education.

Everyone needs further and ongoing education

 

[Gough]

Maybe some young indigenous kids were were watching Goodes, and it made them sit up, and want to learn some more about their culture. Maybe indigenous round as a whole plays a role in making them want to learn more about it, and if that helps in some way to repairing the giant cluster f*** that is the whole indigenous disadvantage problem we have in this country than what possible harm can there be in it. It's far more benign than sending in the army too.

 

[Pendles!]

Its gone waaaay beyond actions on the field for the sole fact that he hasnt performed any "dirty acts" on the field in nearly 2 seasons and even then it was sparse.

Do you understand what pavlovian means? What about the hive mind?

Why are you trying to tell me how I feel? I don't get it haha..

 

[GoodesFella]

So, the media's falling over each other to scream how people shouldn't have been offended by Goodes on Friday night.

They doing it because how terrible this looks.

BTW can flog be entered into the swear filter, i am sick of reading it. Its a nothing insult but annoying because of how backward it sounds when used.

 

[GoodesFella]

Why are you trying to tell me how I feel? I don't get it haha..

Why are you trying to trivialise a point?

 

[CountryRace]

They doing it because how terrible this looks.

BTW can flog be entered into the swear filter, i am sick of reading it. Its a nothing insult but annoying because of how backward it sounds when used.

No, flog is a good word.

Stop being oppressive

 

[ManWithNoName]

No it's the condescending tone which is pissing people off.

I have enough life experience to recognise a flog when I see one. Yet he's telling me I'm wrong and that I need some education.

Gerard Whateley is incredibly condescending. People seem to love him.

 

[Kummerspeck]

My issue is if you buy a ticket for a football match, you should e able to boo till the cows come home

Be it a goodes, a ff that throws grass in the air and drinks Smirnoff, an umpire, or a seagul or a drug cheat

That's fine. If you consider that more important than not providing legitimacy to people who are booing because they ARE racist, then that's your prerogative, Britney. Just be aware that's what you're doing.

 

[CountryRace]

That's fine. If you consider that more important than not providing legitimacy to people who are booing because they ARE racist, then that's your prerogative, Britney. Just be aware that's what you're doing.

Are you serious?

Bizarre

 

[GoodesFella]

No it's the condescending tone which is pissing people off.

I have enough life experience to recognise a flog when I see one. Yet he's telling me I'm wrong and that I need some education.

So you are prepared to ignore an important message because of your perception of someone you feel is uppity? This attitude is prevalent in mainstream australia, its counter productive and offers nothing.

 

[PNess]

"Goodes slides" doesn't wash. He's done the time for those "heinous" crimes and the last incident was years ago. The booing didn't start then. If people are using it as an excuse, they should be doing drive by shootings at Lindsay Thomas' house in a daily basis.

That is factually wrong. Hawks fans didn't boo Goodes until we went close to breaking Gibbo's leg. FACT. Go and get the videos if you're interested in FACTS.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Are you serious?

Yep. Legitimacy in numbers. If everyone who booed him because of whatever reason they give stopped and it was just the racists doing it, do you think they'd keep it up for long?

 

[Pessimistic]

People are too stupid to realise it was done in the theatre of sport. Even at the press conference he had to explain it several times to journos who keep going with another narrative.

He spoke eloquently yesterday which seemed to piss off people even more.

Maybe we should listen to more dane awans speak in low monotones about nothing and then claim he is a character.

"im dane swan i have tatats yeah drive cars root hot chicks yeah took a photo of stuff yeah"

The commentators genuinely stuck for words. On foxtel, eddie didnt say much. Cometti who usualy has a quote for everything said "he shouldnt have done that" i think richo said something about dancing with the stars.

Next day, on sen with robbo, one even said if goodes had told people beforehand it might have gone down better.

So even though these guys are well paid for their craft, they are extremely scripted, and need to "consult" before they form an opinion. They wanted goodes to make it easier for them

Yet the very thing they are commenting on is so spontaneous, hours of snalysis just muddy the waters

 

[GoodesFella]

Gerard Whateley is incredibly condescending. People seem to love him.

Thats becasue he is safe. He is not physically intimidating, he is dorky and he doesnt play football for a top team. Oh and he is white.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

. Doing a war dance at the opposition cheer squad doesn't help foster a relationship between the two communities, jumping to the conclusion that "people boo me because I'm aboriginal" doesn't help foster a relationship between the two communities. His message is true and comes from the right place but his method of delivery divides the community.

Seems to do the opposite for the Maori's when they do the Haka.
People actually look forward to it

 

[GoodesFella]

The commentators genuinely stuck for words. On foxtel, eddie didnt say much. Cometti who usualy has a quote for everything said "he shouldnt have done that" i think richo said something about dancing with the stars.

Next day, on sen with robbo, one even said if goodes had told people beforehand it might have gone down better.

So even though these guys are well paid for their craft, they are extremely scripted, and need to "consult" before they form an opinion. They wanted goodes to make it easier for them

Yet the very thing they are commenting on is so spontaneous, hours of snalysis just muddy the waters

See when we dont go stupid, we can agree.

upvoted Likes post.

 

[Kummerspeck]

That is factually wrong. Hawks fans didn't boo Goodes until we went close to breaking Gibbo's leg. FACT. Go and get the videos if you're interested in FACTS.

He didn't get anywhere close to breaking Gibson's leg. Gibson went down holding his left ankle when Goodes' first contact was with his right leg.

 

[Pessimistic]

Yep. Legitimacy in numbers. If everyone who booed him because of whatever reason they give stopped and it was just the racists doing it, do you think they'd keep it up for long?

If they put a ban on booing in melbourne, but continuesd to praise the " fantastic atmosphere" at adelaide and the like, would people even turn up ?

They are continually fanning the "rivalry" angle to get people along, sometimes its going to bubnle over

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Why is he not allowed to perform a war dance during a battle?

If he came out and did it in front of the media and walked off or he did it when he accepted his AOTY award, ok. But he didnt. He performed it during the heat of a battle, when a war dance is appropriate. Its the theatre of sport. And he did it during indigenous round.

People are arguing why he didnt do it to the calrton players? Well again it was aimed at carlton in general. Then people ask why he didnt do it to swans fans? And then they asked why he didnt do it at the start of the game? Would the umpire not bounce the ball if Goodes decided to perform it? Goodes would have looked like an idiot if he did it at the start of the game while the game commenced! And imagine the insults then!

Lewis Jetta had one planed and i really wish he did kick a goal so he could perform it. Maybe he might do one next week? If there is one player who has benefited so much from Goodes, its lewis jetta.

I 100% get where your coming from and im not refuting that message he is trying to send. I think he is in his right to do whatever he likes, I also get that he has helped many people around him.

I'll give an example of what im trying to say. He faces up to the media, and says "i dont know why people are booing me" and then elludes to potential racial motivations from opposition supporters, then decides to single out a pocket of Carlton supporters and perform an aboriginal war dance, which as a result incited them resulting in several being escorted out of the ground (whether it was deliberate or not, he had to know it was a very real possibility and im by no means saying that he went out of his way to make that his goal) and ontop of that has created a large debate within the AFL community regrading his motivations and merits.

Do you understand how someone can step back from this situation, judge it on its merits, and come to the conclusion that this isn't the type of thing is not what's best for the recognition of aboriginal culture? How this may do more to divide the community rather than bring it together? I understand you have a differing view to me on the validity of his delivery, but can you understand how this may look from the outside looking in from a neutral perspective ?

 

[Pessimistic]

He didn't get anywhere close to breaking Gibson's leg. Gibson went down holding his left ankle when Goodes' first contact was with his right leg.

So he took a week off because hes a flog ?

 

[CountryRace]

Yep. Legitimacy in numbers. If everyone who booed him because of whatever reason they give stopped and it was just the racists doing it, do you think they'd keep it up for long?

What a strange hypothetical

I would assume they would continue to boo goodes, if they are infact booing due to a dislike of aboriginals

Would one be allowed to boo white people? Muslims? Canadians? What is there is a sector of the crowd with a hidden racist attitude to these groups... Or it is a goodes only, aboriginal only non viewing policy you are proposing

It's a shame people are racist. But it'd be more of a shame, IMHO, to introduce political correctness to a crazy extent

 

[GoodesFella]

That is factually wrong. Hawks fans didn't boo Goodes until we went close to breaking Gibbo's leg. FACT. Go and get the videos if you're interested in FACTS.

And what is factually incorrect in your statement is Gibson right leg wasnt broken at all. FACT. Left ankle was clutched FACT.

But facts is the enemy on BF, it gets in the way of anecdotes and shitty opinions, FACT.

 

[Kummerspeck]

What a strange hypothetical

I would assume they would continue to boo goodes, if they are infact booing due to a dislike of aboriginals

Really? You think a small, dispersed section of the crowd would continue to boo someone with openly racist intentions if everyone else in the crowd wasn't and also knew the reason why the people continuing to do it were?

 

[Pessimistic]

See when we dont go stupid, we can agree.

upvoted Likes post.

I hopeyou can agree i bood, but it wasnt racially motivated, more 12th man type gamesmanship.

Of course i dont know the minds of the others, and thats where the media is making mischief.

My beef is the mileage they are making out of this. Goodes seems like an OK type to me, got nothing against him.

Not convinced booing puts him off his game either, it might just wane off, then buddy can have them all to himself

 

[CountryRace]

Really? You think a small, dispersed section of the crowd would continue to boo someone with openly racist intentions if everyone else in the crowd wasn't and also knew the reason why the people continuing to do it were?

Yeah cause that's how racism works

Is it not