Play Nice Adam Goodes

[Alesana]

I have heard many footballers, cricketers, rugby players boo'd in my time, never found it annoying tbh and part of parcel of watching a tribal sports competition.

But in Goodes instance there is an undertone there, the more people deny the more obvious it has become.

The more you insist the more deluded you prove yourself to be

 

[Forward Press]

Let's try something - playing the man is now an instant thread ban and infraction.

No further warnings.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I thought it was keeping with Goodes demeanor and skill at self-promoting, self-victimization and self-aggrandizement.

Here's another possible interpretation. His dance was an exuberant display of cultural pride.

Heaven forfend we ever let exuberance loose on the footy field.

 

[CountryRace]

Here's another possible interpretation. His dance was an exuberant display of cultural pride.

Heaven forfend we ever let exuberance loose on the footy field.

Heaven forbid a football fan boos a footballer

 

[Pessimistic]

Any chance Hawks fans shut up after being called out by Hodge and Burgoyne for carrying on like mugs?

If they won more games we'd behave better

 

[Mister B]

Lets get this straight, Goodes does a provoking dance towards the Carlton fans(they didn't understand the meaning), they proceed to boo him for it, and now they are all seen as booing him because they are racist.. give me a spell.

Let's get this straight. Goodes is playing a game of football and hears provocative abuse being hurled over the fence (which whether understood by the perpetrator can have definite racial connotations), he then proceeds to take a stance by turning and pointing out that individual and now he is seen as a bully? This is fun. I like this game.

 

[SdKfz 181]

Let's get this straight. Goodes is playing a game of football and hears provocative abuse being hurled over the fence (which whether understood by the perpetrator can have definite racial connotations), he then proceeds to take a stance by turning and pointing out that individual and now he is seen as a bully? This is fun. I like this game.

there was no abuse, that person was evicted for an unrelated matter, stop making things up.

 

[CarBigDog]

Let's try something - playing the man is now an instant thread ban and infraction.

No further warnings.

Point well taken and after this final post I am unwatching this thread and banning myself from further commenting on it or even viewing it.

1) There are plenty of reasons to dislike Adam Goodes that have NOTHING to do with his ancestry.
2) Goodes lied and contradicted himself in post game interviews when he first said that he did NOT direct his "war dance" towards Carlton fans and then said that of course his "war dance" was and should be directed towards the opposition fans because it was a "war dance" after all. He also said that he had PLANNED a separate dance/celebration to do towards Sydney supporters, showing that he PLANNED all along to do the dance AT the Carlton fans.
3) When race is injected into a conversation as cover for improper behavior, it does a disservice to actual issues and concerns regarding race.
4) Racism exists from ALL groups of people and towards ALL groups of people. The idea that somehow whites or Australians have some type of monopoly of prejudiced thinking at times is LUDICROUS. It happens EVERYWHERE and from and towards EVERYONE, at one time and in one form or another.
Lastly, my Carlton team stinks so badly that the "war dance" and this damn thread was the most Footy excitement I have had all year!!! HELP!!! G'day all

 

[Pessimistic]

I have absolutely no doubt, a large percentage of hawthorn, latte sipping, flog fans, as racist to blacks. (some of) Your Malvern, Armadale, Toorak types. Be it flat out dislike, or more undertone subtle racism as caro was alluding to

i am just not comfortable being told who i am allowed to boo and who i am not.

As I mentioned, that demographic is probably the least racist, because theyve met precious few indigenous people

You need to straighten out your stereotypes. Latte sippers are pro indigenous whatever, although they probably dont really understand anything about the issues

 

[Mister B]

there was no abuse, that person was evicted for an unrelated matter, stop making things up.

Suggest you read my post again. I am clearly talking about the incident against Collingwood where people took your stance from this event and decided to turn that against Goodes as well.

 

[CountryRace]

As I mentioned, that demographic is probably the least racist, because theyve met precious few indigenous people

You need to straighten out your stereotypes. Latte sippers are pro indigenous whatever, although they probably dont really understand anything about the issues

Lol

I respectfully disagree

I don't think there is a correlation between not knowing many aboriginals, cause you are a prawn sandwich eating toff. And being less racist to blacks

IMHO

 

[Docker Alyssa]

And why do you hate his contribution? Is it because he is articulate, speak well for an indigenous, forms his own opinions? That he makes you feel dumb? That your perceptions of footy player should be of one who either acts and speaks like dane swan or says nothing at all?

Firstly, hes not any more articulate than most other players who front media. Secondly... speaks well for an indigenous?? What? What does his heritage have any bearing on speaking abilities. You are the only one suggesting indigenous folk have issues there with that comment. Third, no one makes me feel dumb that isn't vastly smarter than me. He doesn't seem any more remarkable a brain than I. Fourth, I don't hold much credence in footballers speaking on big issues outside the sport, but I also judge them case by case. No "type" speaks to me more or less.

For instance, I love hearing Michael Long speak on indigenous issues. Think he's a great ambassador for the game in his playing career and for his people after it.

I think goodesy is a great ambassador for his people and our club. But people don't have to like him mate

Good post. Some people don't understand or don't wanna?

I'll like whatever indigenous person I want. As I'll like whatever white person I want. It's a case by case thing based on their individual character and actions. Not that extreme of a notion, not that hard to grasp.

Indigenous culture is full of pride because thats the only way they can overcome the massive issues they still face in Australia. Why do i have to sit here and read or listen to a white person in a position of privliage state that Adam Goodes is embarrassing his heritage or people when thats not true. Ask the majority of indigenious how they feel towards him.

You don't have to? Unwatch the thread if you are made uncomfortable discussing a legitimate debate about an individual. Also, I am not in a position of privilege as a result of my being white. My allotment of white privilege (privliage??) must be getting assigned to some millionaires or something. I want some privilege though? I need some good teeth work done and on government health care.

Your problem here is suggesting that if one is to hate Adam Goodes it means a hatred of all indigenous people. That is a fallacy, and I don't need to ask indigenous Australia whether they all love Adam or if they are OK with my criticism of him. It's nothing to do with them, respectfully.

 

[Pessimistic]

Lol

I respectfully disagree

I don't think there is a correlation between not knowing many aboriginals, cause you are a prawn sandwich eating toff. And being less racist to blacks

IMHO

Put ti this way, pauline hanson would never get elected in the leafy suburbs of east melbourne. We prefer the petrou giorgiou wet types

 

[CarBigDog]

Here's another possible interpretation. His dance was an exuberant display of cultural pride.

Heaven forfend we ever let exuberance loose on the footy field.

In between his contradiction and lies in his post-game interviews, he admitted that he had PLANNED the celebration (not exactly exuberance when it is pre-planned) and he did it to the Carlton fans which he denied and then later admitted. He even admitted it in a condescending way by stating (I am paraphrasing because I don't have the exact quote) that, "of course it was going to be done towards the Carlton fans because it was a war dance after all". Never mind the fact that minutes earlier he was denying that it was towards Carlton fans. I stated in a prior post that I would have been ticked if he did the hokey-pokey towards me in yet another Carlton drubbing. Heaven forbid we let sportsmanship, decorum and class onto the Footy field. Not to mention not inciting fans directly.

 

[The King!]

Firstly, hes not any more articulate than most other players who front media. Secondly... speaks well for an indigenous?? What? What does his heritage have any bearing on speaking abilities. You are the only one suggesting indigenous folk have issues there with that comment. Third, no one makes me feel dumb that isn't vastly smarter than me. He doesn't seem any more remarkable a brain than I. Fourth, I don't hold much credence in footballers speaking on big issues outside the sport, but I also judge them case by case. No "type" speaks to me more or less.

For instance, I love hearing Michael Long speak on indigenous issues. Think he's a great ambassador for the game in his playing career and for his people after it.



Good post. Some people don't understand or don't wanna?

I'll like whatever indigenous person I want. As I'll like whatever white person I want. It's a case by case thing based on their individual character and actions. Not that extreme of a notion, not that hard to grasp.




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I dont honestly know, i would of thought we can all like or dislike whom we want, i mean if you saw Goodes at the airport and ran up and spat on him then sure you should cop it, but if you just jeer in a crowd or dislike him on a forum it is no different to me calling selwood a ducker or dislking dustin fletcher or whatever

People hear the R word and get all fired up and cant see the forest for the trees.

I love goodesy he has given me great memories, rightly or wrongly i actually dont spend much time listening to what he says outside of footy

Just be nice to he debating wether players should celebrate goals like That or gesture toward the crowd rather than race which is really not an issue here surely

 

[The King!]

In between his contradiction and lies in his post-game interviews, he admitted that he had PLANNED the celebration (not exactly exuberance when it is pre-planned) and he did it to the Carlton fans which he denied and then later admitted. He even admitted it in a condescending way by stating (I am paraphrasing because I don't have the exact quote) that, "of course it was going to be done towards the Carlton fans because it was a war dance after all". Never mind the fact that minutes earlier he was denying that it was towards Carlton fans. I stated in a prior post that I would have been ticked if he did the hokey-pokey towards me in yet another Carlton drubbing. Heaven forbid we let sportsmanship, decorum and class onto the Footy field. Not to mention not inciting fans directly.

I would prefer he run to his team mates and give a high five or a pat on the back or whatever myself.

I did find some of his post comments then the day after contradictory

If he wants to gesture to the crowd and make them more annoyed it does not bother me that much. I think if people were hurt or offended by it they are as sooky as people accuse Goodes of being, but really all he did was create more controversy and i hope it does not dis rail the sides performance in anyway

 

[CountryRace]

Put ti this way, pauline hanson would never get elected in the leafy suburbs of east melbourne. We prefer the petrou giorgiou wet types

Indeed the leafy east, right wing types do indeed enjoy to pretend to be advanced on issues like the plight ofthe aboriginal populations.

But when it comes down to booing someone cause they are black, or voting liberal the theory goes out the window and the old prejudice kicks in

Of course just IMHO. Just wanted to disagree with the position if one is too wealthy to see many aboringals in the suburb he leaves day to day - this does not specifically equate to being a less racist

 

[Mister B]

You quoted my post and started talking about the incident from two years ago, which had nothing to do with what happened on Friday night..

Has everything to do with the stance of people towards Adam Goodes. He was the subject of racial taunts but he was the bad guy. Celebrates his culture to an opposition crowd. Yep, bad guy again.

 

[SdKfz 181]

Suggest you read my post again. I am clearly talking about the incident against Collingwood where people took your stance from this event and decided to turn that against Goodes as well.

and, I suggest you reread my original post you quoted.

 

[RUNVS]

I like what Waleed Aly said on Offsiders today. Australia is a very tolerant and multicultural society as long as minorities know their place. The moment they try and pull themselves of of their place and celebrate their culture then Australia is not a tolerant place at all. We expect minorities to act like minorities and to keep their culture to themselves, at least the parts that white Europeans can't really identify with and when someone from a minority speaks out on these issues then it is very common for them to be a public backlash against them.

 

[Furn2]

So basically after 115 pages the take home message is if you are going to boo someone, you better make dam sure they are white first.

 

[CarBigDog]

I dont honestly know, i would of thought we can all like or dislike whom we want, i mean if you saw Goodes at the airport and ran up and spat on him then sure you should cop it, but if you just jeer in a crowd or dislike him on a forum it is no different to me calling selwood a ducker or dislking dustin fletcher or whatever

People hear the R word and get all fired up and cant see the forest for the trees.

I love goodesy he has given me great memories, rightly or wrongly i actually dont spend much time listening to what he says outside of footy

Just be nice to he debating wether players should celebrate goals like That or gesture toward the crowd rather than race which is really not an issue here surely

Thank you for your understanding. That has been all I and many others have been posting and I am sure that many around the Footy world have been saying. You are a Sydney (congrats on the win BTW) fan and I completely understand you liking Goodes and even not feeling about what he did the same way as an opposition fan does. He is an all-time great player and no one can honestly argue against that point. In fact, I said in a previous post that I considered him a self-absorbed disingenuous prick but that if he played for Carlton, I would say "yeah but he is my self-absorbed disingenuous prick". I am not a fan of any individual celebration because it is a team game and when you call attention on only yourself, you are taking away from your teammates that helped you get that goal. I am also from the school that says "act like you've been there before", although some excited and spontaneous exuberance between you and your teammates is great. There are a LOT of indigenous players that I enjoy watching and wish that they played for Carlton but to have people inject racism into a conversation to provide cover for even alleged improper behavior, does everyone involved and even the issue of prejudice itself, a disservice.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Heaven forbid a football fan boos a footballer

I never said that. I've booed players. But only in the course of a single match, for something they did in that match.

To carry it on, systematically, week after week, kneejerk lizard brain stuff?

Childish is all you can call it.

 

[The King!]

I never said that. I've booed players. But only in the course of a single match, for something they did in that match.

To carry it on, systematically, week after week, kneejerk lizard brain stuff?

Childish is all you can call it.

Yeah but the media try to label whole supporter groups racist not childish and that helps nothing

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Lol someone makes a good point against their favourite social justice hero flog and you come back with this reply? Lololololol come on mate - you are better than that

Did you really laugh out loud ? I'm certainly no better than that, I truly think he is a hater based on his rant.