Play Nice Adam Goodes

[The King!]

So basically after 115 pages the take home message is if you are going to boo someone, you better make dam sure they are white first.

I thought it was you can dance if you want to

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

In between his contradiction and lies in his post-game interviews, he admitted that he had PLANNED the celebration (not exactly exuberance when it is pre-planned) and he did it to the Carlton fans which he denied and then later admitted. He even admitted it in a condescending way by stating (I am paraphrasing because I don't have the exact quote) that, "of course it was going to be done towards the Carlton fans because it was a war dance after all". Never mind the fact that minutes earlier he was denying that it was towards Carlton fans. I stated in a prior post that I would have been ticked if he did the hokey-pokey towards me in yet another Carlton drubbing. Heaven forbid we let sportsmanship, decorum and class onto the Footy field. Not to mention not inciting fans directly.

So, basically, somewhere between Jack the Ripper and Pol Pot?

Watch the footage again. It's beautiful. I would applaud it if it had been Yarran.

"Not exactly exuberance when it is pre-planned?"

So, he can't be excited that it's Indigenous Round? He can't be excited for weeks leading up to it? He can't be excited that he's played more career games than all but 12 other players in the game's history, and since he started, back when a lot of today's fans were still in nappies, there was no IR, and indigenous players were sometimes treated with contempt?

Very narrow definition of exuberance you have there my friend.

In your defence, on those rare times when you are exuberant, it must feel f***ing incredible.

 

[CarBigDog]

Did you really laugh out loud ? I'm certainly no better than that, I truly think he is a hater based on his rant.

"Hater" really??? That is a childish statement because it can't be considered an argument. We can agree on one thing, you are right about not being better than that. Maybe you can explain to me then why I like Buddy and Jetta?

 

[momentbymoment]

Oh dear.
Collongwood going down. Eddie will be having a go at Adam tomorrow.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yeah but the media try to label whole supporter groups racist not childish and that helps nothing

And the media try to label Goodes' dance provocative, which doesn't help either.

 

[The King!]

And the media try to label Goodes' dance provocative, which doesn't help either.

Agree

Should just shut the hell up about it full stop!!

 

[CountryRace]

And the media try to label Goodes' dance provocative, which doesn't help either.

If you were a Carlton fan sitting there you wouldn't find it provocative ?

 

[DrEvil_]

So, basically, somewhere between Jack the Ripper and Pol Pot?

Watch the footage again. It's beautiful. I would applaud it if it had been Yarran.

"Not exactly exuberance when it is pre-planned?"

So, he can't be excited that it's Indigenous Round? He can't be excited for weeks leading up to it? He can't be excited that he's played more career games than all but 12 other players in the game's history, and since he started, back when a lot of today's fans were still in nappies, there was no IR, and indigenous players were sometimes treated with contempt?

Very narrow definition of exuberance you have there my friend.

In your defence, on those rare times when you are exuberant, it must feel f***ing incredible.

Honestly nobody would mind if Goodes or even the entire Sydney side did a war dance before the game to show their support for the Indigenous Round. In fact I would applaud it. Why celebrate in front of opposition fans when you're smashing them? Because you know it will bring more controversy?

 

[RUNVS]

Honestly nobody would mind if Goodes or even the entire Sydney side did a war dance before the game to show their support for the Indigenous Round. In fact I would applaud it. Why celebrate in front of opposition fans when you're smashing them? Because you know it will bring more controversy?

Well he was near the opposition fans when he kicked the goal and also that is who a person directs a war dance at, the opposition. No Carlton fan would have felt threatened and it was a bit of theatre.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

If you were a Carlton fan sitting there you wouldn't find it provocative ?

It was relayed that people in the area witnessed young girls were visibly terrified at his running directly at them flailing arms akimbo.

Goodes goes on TV and combs over his frightening of children by stating anyone who was negatively impacted is wrong to react any way but welcoming of a war dance coming at them, and needs to learn them some indigenous cultures.

Sorry.. felt the urge to say something controversial. feels like we are all getting along a little too much?

 

[CrowsBrah]

If Goodes did this at the MCG against the Hawks, then ok.

But doing it to a small group of supporters of the most pathetic club in the comp when you're belting them at home = pure stupidity

 

[RUNVS]

If Goodes did this at the MCG against the Hawks, then ok.

But doing it to a small group of supporters of the most pathetic club in the comp when you're belting them at home = pure stupidity

It was Indigenous Round and the AFL scheduled the Swans to play Carlton at the SCG. If Goodes wanted to do the war dance on Indigenous Round as a show of his pride in his culture then he really did not have too much of a choice what club he did it against and at what venue.

 

[CarBigDog]

So, basically, somewhere between Jack the Ripper and Pol Pot?

Watch the footage again. It's beautiful. I would applaud it if it had been Yarran.

"Not exactly exuberance when it is pre-planned?"

So, he can't be excited that it's Indigenous Round? He can't be excited for weeks leading up to it? He can't be excited that he's played more career games than all but 12 other players in the game's history, and since he started, back when a lot of today's fans were still in nappies, there was no IR, and indigenous players were sometimes treated with contempt?

Very narrow definition of exuberance you have there my friend.

In your defence, on those rare times when you are exuberant, it must feel f***ing incredible.

Again, when you can't win a debate, or even challenge my actual points then play the race card or attack the opposition. You actually did both in one post. Congrats. I don't remember the post that I called Goodes a mass murdering despot, or a serial killing rapist but please find the quote for me. His dance was pre-planned that he was going to do it towards the Carlton fans. So it wasn't spontaneous exuberance and he was going to do it towards the fans the whole time. He knew that it was wrong on some level being that he lied and contradicted himself in his post-game interviews trying to defend or minimize it. As far as Goodes ability on the field or all that he has accomplished, I have already addressed that and it is not up for debate that he is an all-time great. I would have not had a problem with his dance if he had not done it towards the Carlton fans or after a goal that was insignificant and just added to yet another drubbing. Continue to try to put words in my mouth or obfuscate that actual argument that he shouldn't have done it towards the fans, he contradicted himself and lied about in the post-game interviews and disliking him has nothing to do with his ancestry. Those points are irrefutable.

 

[Hawkers]

It was Indigenous Round and the AFL scheduled the Swans to play Carlton at the SCG. If Goodes wanted to do the war dance on Indigenous Round as a show of his pride in his culture then he really did not have too much of a choice what club he did it against and at what venue.

Then perhaps it wasn't the most appropriate occasion to do it

 

[AG]

If Goodes did this at the MCG against the Hawks, then ok.

But doing it to a small group of supporters of the most pathetic club in the comp when you're belting them at home = pure stupidity

Missing the fact it wasn't Indigenous round last week.

 

[CountryRace]

It was relayed that people in the area witnessed young girls were visibly terrified at his running directly at them flailing arms akimbo.

Goodes goes on TV and combs over his frightening of children by stating anyone who was negatively impacted is wrong to react any way but welcoming of a war dance coming at them, and needs to learn them some indigenous cultures.

Sorry.. felt the urge to say something controversial. feels like we are all getting along a little too much?

It wouldn't be much of a war dance after all.

If not spreading terror

 

[QuietB]

I like what Waleed Aly said on Offsiders today. Australia is a very tolerant and multicultural society as long as minorities know their place. The moment they try and pull themselves of of their place and celebrate their culture then Australia is not a tolerant place at all. We expect minorities to act like minorities and to keep their culture to themselves, at least the parts that white Europeans can't really identify with and when someone from a minority speaks out on these issues then it is very common for them to be a public backlash against them.

What is a practical example of this? Did Aly give any? Because quite frankly I don't see it.

 

[DrEvil_]

Well he was near the opposition fans when he kicked the goal and also that is who a person directs a war dance at, the opposition. No Carlton fan would have felt threatened and it was a bit of theatre.

It was Indigenous Round and the AFL scheduled the Swans to play Carlton at the SCG. If Goodes wanted to do the war dance on Indigenous Round as a show of his pride in his culture then he really did not have too much of a choice what club he did it against and at what venue.

Goodes did have a choice over when to do it. Like I said why not before the game? To the actual opposition and not their fans as a war dance is supposed to be aimed at? The point is, say Goodes just went to the Carlton fans, gloated all over them and gave them the bird, that would be seen as unsportsmanlike. But since he did it under the cover of celebrating racial heritage, it is suddenly all ok? You can celebrate in ways that don't incite the opposition fans.

 

[CrowsBrah]

It was Indigenous Round and the AFL scheduled the Swans to play Carlton at the SCG. If Goodes wanted to do the war dance on Indigenous Round as a show of his pride in his culture then he really did not have too much of a choice what club he did it against and at what venue.

Obviously

But he had a choice as to whether to do it or not.

It would've been a much more meaningful display if he chose the right moment in any other round. A close game, a big goal, not just doing it because its indigenous round. The fact that it was indigenous round makes it premeditated and the fact that it was against Carlton at home makes it seem out of place.

I would've liked to see this in a big close game, in a real war, stirring up the home crowd. Anyone with half a brain could've figured that out. Goodes is obviously a simpleton.

 

[Hawkers]

What is a practical example of this? Did Aly give any? Because quite frankly I don't see it.

Who is Aly?

 

[The King!]

Honestly nobody would mind if Goodes or even the entire Sydney side did a war dance before the game to show their support for the Indigenous Round. In fact I would applaud it. Why celebrate in front of opposition fans when you're smashing them? Because you know it will bring more controversy?

The thought of Mike Pyke doing a pre game war dance.. Lol

 

[RUNVS]

Then perhaps it wasn't the most appropriate occasion to do it

The ironic thing is that if Jetta kicked the goal instead of Goodes and did the war dance then the media would probably be saying how great it was, or if Yarren did it to Swans fans but because it was Goodes that did the dance everyone is up in arms over it.

 

[Hawkers]

The ironic thing is that if Jetta kicked the goal instead of Goodes and did the war dance then the media would probably be saying how great it was, or if Yarren did it to Swans fans but because it was Goodes that did the dance everyone is up in arms over it.

It probably wouldn't have entered the mind of Jetta or Yarren to do that because they appear to not seek attention for themselves and aren't trying to make an issue out of nothing

 

[Banyo Bloods]

"Hater" really??? That is a childish statement because it can't be considered an argument. We can agree on one thing, you are right about not being better than that. Maybe you can explain to me then why I like Buddy and Jetta?

Yes Really. Didn't you say you were done with the thread ? Can we now add liar ? I think you need to explain why you like Buddy and Jetta and hate Goodes it's not really my job to explain how you feel about people.

 

[DrEvil_]

The ironic thing is that if Jetta kicked the goal instead of Goodes and did the war dance then the media would probably be saying how great it was, or if Yarren did it to Swans fans but because it was Goodes that did the dance everyone is up in arms over it.

If Yarran did it in front of the Carlton fans it would be seen as firing up the crowd and team. If Jetta did it in front of the Carlton fans it would still be seen as floggish gloating.