Oppo Camp Adam Treloar (Traded to Bulldogs 2020)
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We were planning to, but he done his hamstring in the first game of that block.
You don't trade him unless you can get a return that will significantly improve the team in the future. Sure there's an emotional attachment to players, but it's a business too, and something has to happen to shake things up a bit. There has to be an element of perhaps cold unemotional business analysis when it comes to options to improve the team, not just pure loyalty to our own as harsh as that might seem.
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This is bullshit, a couple makes decisions based on what they want. Not everything is about money.
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Out of the two I'd prefer to address the potential midfield void directly with Brodie via the trade and it feels like it just fits better for both sides of the deal if Treloar does eventually decide he is happy to leave us and go to the Suns to be with his family for the next 2-3 years while Kim's career plays out, as Brodie would be immediately surplus to needs.
If we felt we needed 2MP then we'd have to find another way to bring him in, eg. player swap or draft pick or maybe even a three way trade, and I'd be wanting to spread his 1.2 mil per year across 3 years instead of 2 (maybe offer him $1.35m over 3 years instead of sticking with the $1.2m over 2 years that he is reportedly on now, if we really think he's worth bringing in).
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For goodness sakes try to keep up.
Ladhams was reported for striking an opponent in the groin area. The joke was that we should put a "low-ball" offer to him, continuing the theme.
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Back then we rotated though the middle more and our midfielders got the chance to rest forward more often. Our game style back then also helped.
Treloar looks pretty good around the goals usually, if he rested forward more he’d score more.
Treloar on match day was a regular whipping boy, dodgy hamstrings, not great disposals, lack penetration, panics in close and on 700k a year, if we get pick 5 for him I will dance naked in front of Apex36 house.
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Almost our entire list has had to be re-signed over that six-year period, including big money deals for Pendles, Adams, DeGoey, Moore, etc, so it's not a stretch to anticipate that we might have gone to Treloar and asked him to take a bit less in some years (eg. $600k instead of $700k) and have him recoup the difference in his final year (or two).
There's no doubt that the Mayne and Wells deals have been a millstone around our necks, although at least Wells had the potential to warrant what he was being paid (whereas Mayne never should have been offered $500k per year over 4 years to come over when he was already done and dusted at Freo).
If you're questioning the four year extension that Treloar and the club agreed to last year then any blame for that lies squarely on Ned Guy's shoulders.
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In 2008, 9, 10 and 11 StKilda's top goal kickers without fail were always a combination of Riewoldt, Kosi, Milne and Schneider.
In 2010 there top 4 kicked 165 goals to our 136. We were lucky Riewoldt got hurt because he dropped about 30-35 goals off peak output.
Yeah, on SEN they mentioned yesterday that the extension had been kept very quiet. Your point is valid re taking less money.
I reckon WHE is a moral to be traded.
Really? Maybe in your experience, alas many don’t have that luxury.
Mortgage, kids, saving for house deposit etc.
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Yep I reckon Treloar is really struggling with all those...
His career average is 0.6 goals per game, so even taking into account his poor 2020 when he only kicked 1 goal its not a big average. I'd be interested to see how that compares with other regular high possession ballwinners in the AFL but I'd suggest he'd be on the low side in comparison to them.
(edit... just compared him to Merret who has kicked 46 goals in 142 games........and yikes Trelaor suddenly looks like Tony Lockett in comparison!!! )
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Fast break mids are on afterburners most of the game - small wonder they don't get too many goals.
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Adam hasn't been a 'fast break mid' since his double hamstring.
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Yeah, it's something of a tragedy. He was so dangerous
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It is unfortunate, no doubt.
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It’s not a high average but it isn’t that low either. Slightly above Pendlebury’s average.
Dane Swan was only 0.8 goals.
I think Treloar has showed he has the goal sense he just hasn’t had the opportunity to use it.
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I have no inside information but here is my theory. I believe that the Firebirds move for Kim was on the cards 12 months ago before she got pregnant. So when it was suggested the Suns may consider trading picks 1 or 2 for Treloar (i.e. a Godfather offer) the Pies looked twice and checked with Adam if he wanted to move (even though the move was off because she was pregnant). The answer was no and everyone moved on.
Twelve months on and the Suns put pick 5 (and possibly plus) on the table for a 'player like Treloar' and now that the move for Kim was on and announced (albeit AFL media spoiled the announcement) the club may have looked twice, especially as they may be looking at ways to improve their draft position. Again Treloar has said no so everyone moves on. Except the media can't let it go (and notice that it has ramped up since Adam effectively blasted the AFL media for making the story about him instead of about Kim) so they are continuing to report on it. I mean his management has confirmed that the club has not communicated any intention to try and trade Adam, which is something they have apparently communicated to other players (i.e. Tom Phillips)
And I know a number, particularly Damien Barrett, keeps using his comments in his last year of the Giants to sell the idea that you can't trust Adam when he emphatically says he's not leaving. But here is the key difference. In that year the questions where asked during the season in an industry that cannot handle a player telling their club (let alone announcing it publicly) that they want to play elsewhere in the next season. This time around it is in the off season where it would be more beneficial to Adam if he wanted to go, to let it be known that he is potentially gettable given he would want potential suitors to budget him in especially with the unknowns about the salary cap and list sizes.
Twelve months on and the Suns put pick 5 (and possibly plus) on the table for a 'player like Treloar' and now that the move for Kim was on and announced (albeit AFL media spoiled the announcement) the club may have looked twice, especially as they may be looking at ways to improve their draft position. Again Treloar has said no so everyone moves on. Except the media can't let it go (and notice that it has ramped up since Adam effectively blasted the AFL media for making the story about him instead of about Kim) so they are continuing to report on it. I mean his management has confirmed that the club has not communicated any intention to try and trade Adam, which is something they have apparently communicated to other players (i.e. Tom Phillips)
And I know a number, particularly Damien Barrett, keeps using his comments in his last year of the Giants to sell the idea that you can't trust Adam when he emphatically says he's not leaving. But here is the key difference. In that year the questions where asked during the season in an industry that cannot handle a player telling their club (let alone announcing it publicly) that they want to play elsewhere in the next season. This time around it is in the off season where it would be more beneficial to Adam if he wanted to go, to let it be known that he is potentially gettable given he would want potential suitors to budget him in especially with the unknowns about the salary cap and list sizes.
Treloars not a bad kick on goal its his delivery inside 50 that at times isnt great. Ideally i'd like to bring Merrett in without losing Treloar as Treloar in his own right is a gun but used wrongly in our team (too inside like a grunt play half the time).
