List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Sanders]

Pretty sure Ricciouto said we put an offer to him, but he really had no interest in coming to Adelaide or leaving Melbourne if he wasn't forced to.

that was supposedly when he was out of contract, not when he was being shopped.

Now to the extent we "made an offer" or if we even actually did and it's not just revisionist history I have no idea.

i think we probably did put an offer, but whether it was taken seriously is another. No suggestion that Martin met with us or indicated any interest though

what I absolutely believe is that there is an element within the club that thinks getting close or making an offer counts

Sydney never misses, we never hit.

 

[Sanders]

Dustin Martin’s manager explains why he rejected staggering $11m mega deals

Revealed: Why Dusty rejected rivals’ staggering $11m mega deal

www.foxsports.com.au

Adelaide and North Melbourne offered Dustin Martin $11 million over seven years to leave Richmond at the end of 2017, according to the star’s manager Ralph Carr.

wonder where all that war chest of ours went?

and supposedly we started rebuilding only 12 months later (we didn’t).

amazing how incoherent and inconsistent our long term list management planning seems to be

 

[Crow till I die]

wonder where all that war chest of ours went?

and supposedly we started rebuilding only 12 months later (we didn’t).

amazing how incoherent and inconsistent our long term list management planning seems to be

It got me thinking if it was true and had martin said ok i'll come, what would it have cost in picks affecting us bringing in young talent and spending that much cap with the number of players that were fast coming to a cliff edge we would have still gone into a rebuild with an 11 million dollar contract tying up our ability to do a lot else. Oh and had less draft capital to do it with

 

[Sanders]

It got me thinking if it was true and had martin said ok i'll come, what would it have cost in picks affecting us bringing in young talent and spending that much cap with the number of players that were fast coming to a cliff edge we would have still gone into a rebuild with an 11 million dollar contract tying up our ability to do a lot else. Oh and had less draft capital to do it with

just think of the mental gymnastics required to claim we have a clear long term vision of our list management; and at the same time see nothing odd about going from $11m /7 for Dusty to complete rebuild within 12 months

now that’s what we are being asked to swallow as true

but I say pick one, both branching narratives cannot be true

if we lurch like that, from one extreme to another within 12 months, then that is far worse than the most virulent agitator ever imagined

 

[Danger Zone]

The best thing the AFL could do for list management is to remove the rookie list and raise the cap a little in compensation. Keep overall list numbers the same. They could even still have a National Draft and a "Rookie Draft", with the main difference being that the rookie draft is for rookie, one-year contracts.

Now that rookies can play whenever it is a completely unnecessary separation. It leads to situations where clubs are having to delist and rookie draft players they want to keep, or (recently) they have to officially downgrade players from the senior list to the rookie list. It is so pointless.

 

[Crow till I die]

just think of the mental gymnastics required to claim we have a clear long term vision of our list management; and at the same time see nothing odd about going from $11m /7 for Dusty to complete rebuild within 12 months

now that’s what we are being asked to swallow as true

but I say pick one, both branching narratives cannot be true

if we lurch like that, from one extreme to another within 12 months, then that is far worse than the most virulent agitator ever imagined

I think that when the realisation finally hit it did focus minds somewhat and they swallowed the rebuild mantra and have gone hard at it. I just worry that we tilt too far at the carlton model (ie disperse with all the mature age players in a short time and have big gaps in the list in certain age brackets...that sort of stuff can set a rebuilding club back years.)

Lets hope the new CEO has a clear plan

 

[1990crow]

I think that when the realisation finally hit it did focus minds somewhat and they swallowed the rebuild mantra and have gone hard at it. I just worry that we tilt too far at the carlton model (ie disperse with all the mature age players in a short time and have big gaps in the list in certain age brackets...that sort of stuff can set a rebuilding club back years.)

Lets hope the new CEO has a clear plan

It's not the CEOs role to build a squad.

 

[Crow till I die]

It's not the CEOs role to build a squad.

Its his role to set the direction of the club as its leader though

 

[Grenville]

just think of the mental gymnastics required to claim we have a clear long term vision of our list management; and at the same time see nothing odd about going from $11m /7 for Dusty to complete rebuild within 12 months

now that’s what we are being asked to swallow as true

but I say pick one, both branching narratives cannot be true

if we lurch like that, from one extreme to another within 12 months, then that is far worse than the most virulent agitator ever imagined

I think now there is a clear, long term vision. A lot of personnel change and finally feels like all are in alignment.
For a long time though, certainly wasnt the case & was incoherent as you say - opposing forces at work I'm guessing with a coach wanting to top up and win now, CEO (&board ?) wanting to keep the money train rolling while others pragmatists wanted a rebuild sooner. Net result is the lurching.

 

[Thetrader15]

Dustin Martin’s manager explains why he rejected staggering $11m mega deals

Revealed: Why Dusty rejected rivals’ staggering $11m mega deal

www.foxsports.com.au

Adelaide and North Melbourne offered Dustin Martin $11 million over seven years to leave Richmond at the end of 2017, according to the star’s manager Ralph Carr.

#SlidimgDoorsMoment

 

[Sanders]

It's not the CEOs role to build a squad.

its his job to pull together the strategy and get board approval. Ensure coherency and own the plan. So whilst he is the specific subject matter expert he’s the one charged with pulling it altogether getting board sign off and ensure delivery

 

[NTRabbit]

its his job to pull together the strategy and get board approval. Ensure coherency and own the plan. So whilst he is the specific subject matter expert he’s the one charged with pulling it altogether getting board sign off and ensure delivery

The football department heads created it, the CEO supported it, and the board approved it, there's enough guilt to go around

 

[Skippos]

Watching Suns/Lions - and have tried to watch the Suns a bit this year, and can't help but thinking this.

Controversial, but do we even want Lukosius/Rankine?

They're going to hold a lot more value based on output than others purely because of the top 3 pick factor, so you're paying a high price. And are they really that good. Lukosius is silky for sure, but no appetite for the contest. In this defender/wing role he just reminds me so much of Jack Watts with a little better kicking.

IMO if he's really going to add any value, he needs to make it as a forward. Not the kind of player that lifts the team up.

And Rankine just has no work rate. You'd have to back your system/development in to keep him creative but build the basics around that. It's a risk. I reckon you could find players who offer these things without paying multiple high draft picks.

 

[BRL121]

Watching Suns/Lions - and have tried to watch the Suns a bit this year, and can't help but thinking this.

Controversial, but do we even want Lukosius/Rankine?

They're going to hold a lot more value based on output than others purely because of the top 3 pick factor, so you're paying a high price. And are they really that good. Lukosius is silky for sure, but no appetite for the contest. In this defender/wing role he just reminds me so much of Jack Watts with a little better kicking.

IMO if he's really going to add any value, he needs to make it as a forward. Not the kind of player that lifts the team up.

And Rankine just has no work rate. You'd have to back your system/development in to keep him creative but build the basics around that. It's a risk. I reckon you could find players who offer these things without paying multiple high draft picks.

Although it's sacrilege here, you're quite correct to raise this and not alone.
I think the point is that enough time has now elapsed that their original draft picks are irrelevant. Their actual value, based on post-draft performance, is nowhere near the ridiculous suggestions of some here. Indeed, the first question to be asked is "do we want either"?

I would probably take Luko at a fair price, but am yet to be convinced on Rankine.

 

[Sidthehat]

Although it's sacrilege here, you're quite correct to raise this and not alone.
I think the point is that enough time has now elapsed that their original draft picks are irrelevant. Their actual value, based on post-draft performance, is nowhere near the ridiculous suggestions of some here. Indeed, the first question to be asked is "do we want either"?

I would probably take Luko at a fair price, but am yet to be convinced on Rankine.

Think I'd back Rankine more to flourish in the limelight than Lukosius. Seems to lack desire.

 

[Sidthehat]

Realise this is Captain Hindsight stuff but how did the AFL give so many concessions to the Gold Coast when under Dew they've thrown the towel in at the halfway stage of season for five years.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

It got me thinking if it was true and had martin said ok i'll come, what would it have cost in picks affecting us bringing in young talent and spending that much cap with the number of players that were fast coming to a cliff edge we would have still gone into a rebuild with an 11 million dollar contract tying up our ability to do a lot else. Oh and had less draft capital to do it with

So your saying we are better off because Martin didn't come..?

Is that really what you are saying

 

[Crow till I die]

So your saying we are better off because Martin didn't come..?

Is that really what you are saying

Of course he makes any side better but with the benefit of hindsight we can see how close a number of our guys were to falling off the cliff performance wise and that camp..it would have been a bad to have a guy earning well over a million a year in a rebuilding side when his best years would then be wasted

 

[1990crow]

Gold coast will be fine. More talent than majority of clubs.

 

[Scorpus]

Gold coast will be fine. More talent than majority of clubs.

All they lack is mature stars which will come when their current crop develops more.

Guys like Swallow, Weller and Greenwood leading the middle is not going to get them far but if they get some genuine match winners in those positions they will thrive

 

[UcantCme]

Gold coast will be fine. More talent than majority of clubs.

You assume that they can keep that talent

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[maxlilly]

All they lack is mature stars which will come when their current crop develops more.

Guys like Swallow, Weller and Greenwood leading the middle is not going to get them far but if they get some genuine match winners in those positions they will thrive

I guess they are hoping Rowell and Anderson will take over those roles when older.
That's why I thought Greenwood was still a good fit for our team, offer a couple of good years while the youngsters get up to speed

 

[Scorpus]

I guess they are hoping Rowell and Anderson will take over those roles when older.
That's why I thought Greenwood was still a good fit for our team, offer a couple of good years while the youngsters get up to speed

Yeah if they didn't trade in some ready made experience their midfield would be even worse than it already is right now

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Of course he makes any side better but with the benefit of hindsight we can see how close a number of our guys were to falling off the cliff performance wise and that camp..it would have been a bad to have a guy earning well over a million a year in a rebuilding side when his best years would then be wasted

Part of reason we are shit now is because comfortable plodders are consuming our cap space.

Tex (cooked for 3yrs) would be on 800k.

I'd take Martin and a few more kids any day of the week over blokes that failed to get it done then sooked it up and made it everyone else's fault while still collecting big $$

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Part of reason we are sh*t now is because comfortable plodders are consuming our cap space.

Tex (cooked for 3yrs) would be on 800k.

I'd take Martin and a few more kids any day of the week over blokes that failed to get it done then sooked it up and made it everyone else's fault while still collecting big $$

Shouldn't you be watching your side live, rather than taking pot shots at a guy who is 2nd on the Coleman...