Review Adelaide vs Sydney - Rd 2, 2021

[feenix67]

You can make a case for genuine output and leadership when selecting a senior player, based on who else is in the side.

You cannot make that case for someone that offers neither output nor leadership

Except if it's appropriate based on matchups. I'd argue that having Mackay in allowed us to play Doedee and McPherson appropriately, and not sacrifice Smith into a more defensive role. Selecting Tex, however, may be costing us his heir apparent.

 

[BringbackWebb]

GOOD:
Some great take-outs for the team, we have reason to be positive even though soundly beaten on the scoreboard. The effort was good, to never stop trying all game and the coaching moves at half time to move defence up the ground and block Sydney's free space was so encouraging to see, as we were out-coached in the first half. Of course Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

36

Ht

192cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

was excellent and all credit too him, also solid efforts from Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

, Rory Laird

29

Rory Laird

Age

32

Ht

178cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.4

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

12.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.3

4star

MG

367.5

5star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

255.3

4star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

and Rory Sloane

9

Rory Sloane

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

. Encouraging to see Shane McAdam

23

Shane Mcadam

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

get on the end of a few, he has the talent. We won most of the key stats except the score, but contested ball and clearances were strong, a great foundation to build on. The backline was solid given their inexperience and the generally high quality entries, particularly in quarter two, nice first game from Nick Murray and Jordan Butts looks like a long term prospect. Also Tom Doedee

12

Tom Doedee

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

228.8

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

228.8

3star

D

19.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.4

4star

is building his base along with Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

.

BAD:
Our small forwards were not as effective this week, and decision making fell down, as a result of inexperience no doubt. To me it's looks like Riley O'Brien is playing injured, I hope not but Hickey, a multi club reject lowered his colours yesterday. I am still struggling with many of the umpiring decisions, it does appear that the umpiring group are badly out of form, hopefully this will improve although thankfully we have been on the positive side of the ledger so far.

UGLY:
Our goalkicking was nothing short of woeful, across the board, every player must share the blame on this, cost us any chance of being in the match when it mattered, Sydney would have probably been different if we had been able to apply some scoreboard pressure. I think we should have moved past the playing of older players only to add experience to the team, we missed a real opportunity in playing David Mackay

14

David Mackay

Age

37

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

, he was ineffective and it cost Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

26

Ht

180cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.8

3star

another game of experience, very poor selection that one. I don't think we were well served by a few others as well, we have a real issue with our second tall forward and second ruck role, decision needs to be made very soon on this.

 

[Scorpus]

Except if it's appropriate based on matchups. I'd argue that having Mackay in allowed us to play Doedee and McPherson appropriately, and not sacrifice Smith into a more defensive role. Selecting Tex, however, may be costing us his heir apparent.

If we had selected, for example, Josh Worrell would that not have done the exact same thing you were suggesting?

 

[FR0GGY]

4 behinds is unforgivable from lynch.. especially given some of them were easy shots..

Missing set shots, especially easy ones, is so unbelievably deflating to a teams momentum and normally always ends up handing the moment to the opponent.

Massive **** up from an experienced player such as lynch.

How do you think I feel picking him in the goal kicking comp?

 

[1970crow]

I think that might have been his last game for the club yesterday. Nick's isn't a fool and he would have seen what we all saw.

I doubt it. Maybe with Kelly coming back they can do the direct swap but when we lose anexperienced body, David is first choice. We are prepared to shuffle to keep our experience credits at max level. Little Rowie gets gastro, Seed to a forward pocket, Mackay remains. That's our selection/game philosophy.

 

[1970crow]

I'm certainly not a David Mackay advocate unless there's no other option but you're smitten with Mookayitis.

Sorry, I meant a player that was running, not walking. He's chased numerous opponents at full throttle and never gets there.

 

[1970crow]

You can make a case for genuine output and leadership when selecting a senior player, based on who else is in the side.

You cannot make that case for someone that offers neither output nor leadership

You'd think that's blatantly obvious. But for some reason it escapes people smart enough to own an internet device and maintain a connection. Weird stuff.

 

[feenix67]

If we had selected, for example, Josh Worrell would that not have done the exact same thing you were suggesting?

Yeah we talked about Worrell last Sunday night. I think the risk for selecting Worrell yesterday was that playing two first gamers down back may have left us with match up issues should they not step up. Selectors would have looked at where the run was going to come from as well.

 

[feenix67]

You'd think that's blatantly obvious. But for some reason it escapes people smart enough to own an internet device and maintain a connection. Weird stuff.

Says the guy who didn't want to play the guy who was directly responsible for Tex's output and a lot of our total score last week.

The mental gymnastics required to simultaneously justify two opposing arguments is admirable for someone so well acquainted with grape juice.

What's blatantly obvious is that we lost control of the ball in midfield transition and were not able to apply enough pressure when Sydney had it to win it back. Essentially Sydney did to us what we did to Geelong last week.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah we talked about Worrell last Sunday night. I think the risk for selecting Worrell yesterday was that playing two first gamers down back may have left us with match up issues should they not step up. Selectors would have looked at where the run was going to come from as well.

And you think Mackay is the answer to those question?

 

[CROW in BALI]

There’s a common trend to robs game. He seems to be a very slow starter to a season. Seems to need 3 or 4 rounds to build to his best.

I thought so too until doing a bit of SuperCoach research for this season . He was actually the highest ranking ruckman of the comp last year after round 2 on 134 champion data points before falling in a hole and then coming good again. I hope he hasn’t caught a bit of extended contracts disease. I’m sure the big fella will turn it around.

 

[feenix67]

And you think Mackay is the answer to those question?

You know I'm not a DMack advocate. But I don't think we had any good alternatives under the circumstances yesterday and I can understand why they selected him. He also was playing at the end that was directly affected by our lack of pressure on Sydney's transition, so he's not the guy to blame for their forwards getting such good service when the game broke open in the second. I think people should be focussing on Murphy's lack of defensive running and overall inconsistency, Harry Schoenberg's apparent lack of a tank, the lack of midfield leadership during the second quarter and our ability to correct our shape after half time and work back into the game.

 

[Bob Neil]

I don't think McPherson on Heeney was a good matchup...just not strong enough to play on genuine marking targets at this stage of his career. If we didn't have a natural match-up (probably Kelly to be fair) then I'd prefer to see Smith take that job. That said I really liked Hamill's work on Papley...get him under wraps and then worked off him at times. I think the two of them along with Butts are definitely worth persevering with and building a defence around along with Doedee.

 

[Murray2503]

I don't think McPherson on Heeney was a good matchup...just not strong enough to play on genuine marking targets at this stage of his career. If we didn't have a natural match-up (probably Kelly to be fair) then I'd prefer to see Smith take that job. That said I really liked Hamill's work on Papley...get him under wraps and then worked off him at times. I think the two of them along with Butts are definitely worth persevering with and building a defence around along with Doedee.

McPherson missed having Brown in the team. We needed another lockdown defender and therefore McPherson didn't have the backup he normally has. In saying that McPherson looked off yesterday for some reason. May have been carrying an injury but didn't play how he normally does.

 

[Mutineer]

McPherson missed having Brown in the team. We needed another lockdown defender and therefore McPherson didn't have the backup he normally has. In saying that McPherson looked off yesterday for some reason. May have been carrying an injury but didn't play how he normally does.

Heeney was simply the wrong match up for McPherson with Heeney's elite aerial talent, Scott Burns probably made a blunder there...Doedee IMO was the obvious match up.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Goddamn it - do we have to pollute every f***ing thread with the same Mackay complaints?

fu** me, it's making the board unreadable.

We get it. You would have rather another kid played. The club didn't want to replace two veterans with two kids. You think they're wrong. That's the entire debate and we don't f***ing need the same repetitive sh*t litigated in every post.

If people call him “YKW” will that make you feel better? You are obviously struggling with this strange affliction where you force-feed yourself posts that you don’t want to read.

 

[Southerntakeover]

True to a point, but with Kelly and Brown out, we picked a rookie and a senior player. Picking DMac enabled us to match up on Heeney and Papley appropriately. I think his selection was more about that than the broad "experience" criteria.

You reckon how we handled Heeney was one of the major selling points for D-mac?

Mackay has very little defensive ability- he's generally too slight to be a defensive presence and he's never shown much inclination. It's not clear to me that he adds anything as a 'match up'.

 

[Slippery Pete]

You know I'm not a DMack advocate. But I don't think we had any good alternatives under the circumstances yesterday and I can understand why they selected him.

In the club’s entire history, there has never, ever been a more acceptable time to pass on selecting someone like Mackay in favour of a younger (and yes, perhaps at the moment, slightly inferior) player.

It’s an absolute free hit for the club atm, one completely immune from criticism, the likes of which our coaching staff have never had before.

The fact they aren’t taking it is a legitimate source of frustration for fans.

And even leaving all that aside - I’m old enough to remember when you had to be a pretty special player to be selected at 32. The way people are defending his selection you’d think they were talking about Andrew McLeod, for ****’s sake.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Goddamn it - do we have to pollute every f***ing thread with the same Mackay complaints?

fu** me, it's making the board unreadable.

We get it. You would have rather another kid played. The club didn't want to replace two veterans with two kids. You think they're wrong. That's the entire debate and we don't f***ing need the same repetitive sh*t litigated in every post.

Your permission isnt required.

 

[maxlilly]

With Sydneys forward set up of Buddy, Reid, McDonald and Heeney, I thought our best set up on those guys would have been Butts, Murray, Worrell and Doedee on Heeney

 

[Crow_68]

With Sydneys forward set up of Buddy, Reid, McDonald and Heeney, I thought our best set up on those guys would have been Butts, Murray, Worrell and Doedee on Heeney

This.

 

[Torpedro]

Can someone direct me to the GBU thread? I seem to have accidentally stumbled upon the Mackay one

 

[jackster83]

I don't think McPherson on Heeney was a good matchup...just not strong enough to play on genuine marking targets at this stage of his career. If we didn't have a natural match-up (probably Kelly to be fair) then I'd prefer to see Smith take that job. That said I really liked Hamill's work on Papley...get him under wraps and then worked off him at times. I think the two of them along with Butts are definitely worth persevering with and building a defence around along with Doedee.

Heeney is better in the air than some 195cm players. Playing a smaller player on him was always going to end in disaster.

Between him and the three talls in their forward line, we had plenty of reason to bring in Worrell.

 

[1990crow]

Heeney is better in the air than some 195cm players. Playing a smaller player on him was always going to end in disaster.

Between him and the three talls in their forward line, we had plenty of reason to bring in Worrell.

Tend to agree. Got it wrong at selection

 

[BunjiMac]

The numbers of our midfielders again hides the biggest issue, impact.

Our midfield can accumulate, but have zero hurt factor. The opposition can pretty much let them rack them up all day and just wait for the long ball in defence.