List Mgmt. AFC - 2014 Drafting and Trading

[johnnypanther]

I dont think its being pessimistic but rather more of a realist, I just cannot see how the Crows could engineer the trade with the GWS regarding Cameron.

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Of course we can engineer a trade for Cameron (or anyone) - the hard part is convincing him to come to the Crows solely.

 

[johnnypanther]

Don't know any specifics this year. All I can say is we are in some discussions with GWS (no specifics on what over) and that Nobes went to watch Jono Giles the other week and the consensus was he was pretty ordinary.

Too far ahead to be looking at draft targets, think it's more likely than not that we won't have pick 9 though.

Giles is only a slight upgrade on Graham - we would be much better off in all ways by picking up Keagan Brooksby under the father/son rule.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Doesn't that feel a bit like the old saying "if you set your goals low enough you are sure to reach them" ??

Yeah, fair call...

 

[dylan123]

and there is absolutely no reason why we can't land Jeremy Cameron. None.

The fact that he's contracted to GWS for another season is one

 

[Mike Smyth]

Playing JJ in a defence during the NAB may be a good learning experience for him up forward, time will tell.

Not playing him at all and recruiting a genuine defender and kpp/ruckman would be a better idea.

 

[JP Sauce]

Giles is only a slight upgrade on Graham - we would be much better off in all ways by picking up Keagan Brooksby under the father/son rule.

Would we need to get him using the father-son-rule? Is there talk of any other club keen on him?

 

[GROTTO]

I wonder if we have spoken to Robbie Gray comes out of contract next year.

 

[Vooligan]

I wonder if we have spoken to Robbie Gray comes out of contract next year.

I'd like to think we have a mutual agreement with port. Don't poach our players and we won't poach yours.

 

[Matman23]

I had a dream last night that we traded Luke Thompson to Richmond... Consider it a done deal.

 

[moses]

I had a dream last night that we traded Luke Thompson to Richmond... Consider it a done deal.

For Dustin Martin?

 

[GROTTO]

I had a dream last night that we traded Luke Thompson to Richmond... Consider it a done deal.

I had a dream that Sando could coach.

 

[Skippos]

Giles is only a slight upgrade on Graham - we would be much better off in all ways by picking up Keagan Brooksby under the father/son rule.

Not sure we can pick up sons of state league 200 gamers anymore. Didn't that expire in 2010?

 

[Danoz]

Not sure we can pick up sons of state league 200 gamers anymore. Didn't that expire in 2010?

Wasn't it extended indefinitely when they brought in the grandfather rule? Vader would know.

 

[Bacon8]

Not sure we can pick up sons of state league 200 gamers anymore. Didn't that expire in 2010?

It would still be valid, given we asked about Brayden Maynard for this year.

 

[Jars458]

Not sure we can pick up sons of state league 200 gamers anymore. Didn't that expire in 2010?

Yep it still applies to players who were covered by it previosuly.

 

[Vader]

Not sure we can pick up sons of state league 200 gamers anymore. Didn't that expire in 2010?

They dropped the 20-year sunset clause on that rule when they introduced the "Grandfather" rule. Yes, we can still sign the sons of 200+ SANFL game players under the F/S rule.

 

[tinman]

Danger would be nuts to go to Geelong. They have 9 players who played 20+ Games this year who are over 30 years old. He would be leaving the crows just when our suite of young guys are hitting the 50 to 100 game mark and playing with a team half full of rookies for the next 5 years.

True from a winning perspective, but as players like Johnson & Bartel retire, one would think it will open up a lot of space in the cap. Their ageing stars would be on pretty decent coin.

 

[Vader]

True from a winning perspective, but as players like Johnson & Bartel retire, one would think it will open up a lot of space in the cap. Their ageing stars would be on pretty decent coin.

Depends on whether his priority is $$$ or winning a premiership. All indications are that success is his primary motivator, rather than $$$.

 

[1990crow]

Which Victorian Club asked for this (grandfather rule) so they could gain an advantage over the rest of the competition I wonder?

 

[Glenny83]

Tou

Petrenko for Toumpas - sold

Pet's and Vince also great mates

Toumpas and Danger are great mates also...

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

If Brisbane snag Ryder surely the ripple effect is that the Big Burger will be looking for a trade

 

[DangerSloane]

In that case, not sure whether Tom Lynch/Richard Douglas and Pick 9 is enough

Could trade the Lyons pick aswell?

Lets say pick 9, Lynch and Pick 30?

 

[DangerSloane]

True from a winning perspective, but as players like Johnson & Bartel retire, one would think it will open up a lot of space in the cap. Their ageing stars would be on pretty decent coin.

Johnson, Bartel, Kelly, Enright, McIntosh, Stokes, Rivers all over 30.
Geelong is not the destination if you want to win going forward(as you've said)

They'll have plenty of money, but Geelong wont splash the cash as much as say a Melbourne who need to reach the minimum 95% or whatever the rules are now.

 

[Vader]

Which Victorian Club asked for this (grandfather rule) so they could gain an advantage over the rest of the competition I wonder?

They had a committee look at the F/S rule, as it applied to the SA/WA clubs as a result of the Bryce Gibbs debacle. From memory, the committee recommended adding 5 years to the eligibility window, noting that it took 5 years before our first player reached 100 AFL games with the AFC (and thus became eligible under the AFL's F/S rules). This would have resulted in Bryce Gibbs becoming eligible for selection by Adelaide. The AFL rejected the recommendation, at the insistence of the Victorian clubs, introducing the "Grandfather Rule" instead.

Under the "Grandfather Rule" players need to have played 200 SANFL games, for one club (no good if they played 130 for club X and 70 for club Y) and they had to have reached this milestone by 1990 (Adelaide joined the AFL in 1991). Originally they had to have played these 200 games between 1971-1990, the 1971 cut-off was removed. They also removed the 20-year sunset clause, so Adelaide are still able to draft the sons of SANFL players, where originally they were not allowed to do so after 2010.

 

[1990crow]

They had a committee look at the F/S rule, as it applied to the SA/WA clubs as a result of the Bryce Gibbs debacle. From memory, the committee recommended adding 5 years to the eligibility window, noting that it took 5 years before our first player reached 100 AFL games with the AFC (and thus became eligible under the AFL's F/S rules). This would have resulted in Bryce Gibbs becoming eligible for selection by Adelaide. The AFL rejected the recommendation, at the insistence of the Victorian clubs, introducing the "Grandfather Rule" instead.

Under the "Grandfather Rule" players need to have played 200 SANFL games, for one club (no good if they played 130 for club X and 70 for club Y) and they had to have reached this milestone by 1990 (Adelaide joined the AFL in 1991). Originally they had to have played these 200 games between 1971-1990, the 1971 cut-off was removed. They also removed the 20-year sunset clause, so Adelaide are still able to draft the sons of SANFL players, where originally they were not allowed to do so after 2010.

Interesting. You'd have to think that statistically speaking the likelihood of a player coming through in the next decade who had a grandfather who played 200 SANFL games for their club would have to be relatively high.