AFL overtaking NRL in QLD

[Freomaniac]

Yes, BBL being a novelty event shares similar vulnerabilities to A-League. In itself it has no deep roots, and depends on novelty (which is lost by increased volume) - so its proven to be fragile when they tinkered the wrong way. The only difference is that BBL leverages the underlying foundation of cricket in Australia - national, culturally universal,long history etc. A-Leagues soccer foundation is just not that omnipotent and doesn't have the scale to compensate for A-Leagues weaknesses over the long term.

Its entirely possible BBL will also be overtaken by some other summer novelty event in coming years; but only BBL, not Cricket itself. So in a small way, A-Leagues's Cricket challenge in Summer is not dissimilar to the AFL's NRL challenge in QLD - only, thankfully, the AFL are approaching it the right way: building long term substance.

The BBLs foundation wasnt that good. Sure Teams like Adelaide, Brisbane, Hobart Stood out. Yet there was 2 Sydney sides and 2 Melbourne sides that came in at the same time in which in my opinion it should of been one each then the other comes in 4-5 years later.

I mean whats the difference between Melbourne stars and Melbourne renegades? What are their roots?

The A-league had roots/ foundations but it wasnt as strong as the AFL or NRL. Saying that, there was history there and Yes I am talking about the old NSL. The point is, you can tell the difference between Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers.

Melbourne Victory had Victoria for itself until 2010-11 when Melbourne Heart/City came in as it was main fan base was a fair bit of ex victory fans. Then it became Melbourne city FC and slowly had its own idnentiity.

The A-League had crowds from 2005-9. The problem was expansion in 2009-10 when Gold coast united and North queensland came in. The FFA didnnt have the cash for expansion.

Looking back at it. That TV rights deal from 2006-13 was unsustainable as it was like 113 million or around 16-17 million a year. There were 10 A-league sides in that 2009-10 season and a Salary cap of 2.2 million or 22 million for 10 sides. that was unsustainable. So that means the A-league was losing 5-6 million a year

Come the 2013-14 season, The TV rights money was 40 million. The A-league Salary cap was 2.5 million or 25 million for 10 sides. So that means 40 million in and 25 million out and 15 million of spare cash.

The A-league was doing ok for a while. Yeah it did sign a 6 year deal at like 55-60 million a year then Foxtel re-negotiated on the deal.

 

[Established1870]

The A-League had crowds from 2005-9. The problem was expansion in 2009-10 when Gold coast united and North queensland came in. The FFA didnnt have the cash for expansion.

The Fury and GCU were busts but for Gold Coast cash wasn't the issue it was their Jabba the Hutt owner. The main issue in all this was later expansion sides coming.

1) The second Melbourne team should have always been South Melbourne (what have Heart/City ever done aside from become Melbourne Lite and Easy?).

2) WSW should have come in before the Giants came into the AFL which would have helped with the next TV rights deal.

3) Canberra and Tasmania should have had teams after the Asian Cup in 2015 which would have been a decent boost to the TV deal.

4) The third Victorian side should have been Geelong/Vic Country and if Western United last 5 years I'll give anyone who likes this post $100.

5) And while I'll hold off on Macarthur for now I still think Wollongong should have gotten in over them.


Expansion was crucial for the sport and the FFA/A-League ****ed it royally every single time because they wanted to play it safe or they cared about "metrics". Seriously **** David Gallop if he gets another gig as the boss of a major sporting code I hope they fall into oblivion considering what's happening to League and Soccer right now.

 

[Freomaniac]

And the phrase "delusions of grandeur" in the concluding paragraph

I am sure the A-league is still breathing.

I enjoy your poxy war that is anything A-league related lol

 

[Holy Rioli]

What would it take.. NRL to stop playing state of origin.

perhaps a sustained period where the Broncos were rubbish and Lions & Suns were successful.

Although as more and more of the Samoans dominate Jnr rugby comps I could definitely see a shift to AFL from parents.

The junior game in QLD from what I understand has a much larger AFL participation than NRL

Give it 20 years and AFL will be the #1 sport in QLD, participation of junior AFL, aggressive grass roots AFL investment at school etc, will see the game move past the NRL.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

The junior game in QLD from what I understand has a much larger AFL participation than NRL
Give it 20 years and AFL will be the #1 sport in QLD, participation of junior AFL, aggressive grass roots AFL investment at school etc, will see the game move past the NRL.

I don't think so, it would be nice but i can't see AFL ever overtaking RL in QLD.

 

[Holy Rioli]

I don't think so, it would be nice but i can't see AFL ever overtaking RL in QLD.

I work for a large organisation (in the head office over 400 people) up here in Brisbane. There is much more of an appetite for an AFL tipping comp than an NRL tipping comp. I know this is a very small example, but could you imagine this happening up here even 10 years ago?

 

[Lip Gallagher]

I work for a large organisation (in the head office over 400 people) up here in Brisbane. There is much more of an appetite for an AFL tipping comp than an NRL tipping comp. I know this is a very small example, but could you imagine this happening up here even 10 years ago?

Imagine if the Lions had enjoyed the consistent success of the Storm, even with that success the Storm barely register on the radar in Melbourne.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Imagine if the Lions had enjoyed the consistent success of the Storm, even with that success the Storm barely register on the radar in Melbourne.

Brisbane isn't Melbourne. Brisbane does not have 9 NRL teams.

 

[Back2Back2Back]

I work for a large organisation (in the head office over 400 people) up here in Brisbane. There is much more of an appetite for an AFL tipping comp than an NRL tipping comp. I know this is a very small example, but could you imagine this happening up here even 10 years ago?

The general change in attitude when you talk about AFL up here has changed significantly in recent years. Even during the 01-03 dominant era the Lions enjoyed, there wasn't a massive amount of public support outside of the fanbase. These days though, if you say you support the AFL the first question is whether it's the Lions (the alternative being the Suns I guess, unless you're a known Victorian expat), and then the second question is "How good is Fagan going these days?"

It's like the general public has been well aware of how shit the team has been for the past decade and change, and since Fagan and Noble came in the course has been corrected. And despite not winning premierships (yet), we've got a lot more public acknowledgement.

But it also helps that the NewsCorp's pet the Broncos are sucking quite hard, so they aren't crowing from the rooftops anywhere near as loudly about them anymore. I expect once they fix their problems and start pushing top of the table again we'll start to fade into obscurity once again too.

 

[Freomaniac]

The junior game in QLD from what I understand has a much larger AFL participation than NRL

Give it 20 years and AFL will be the #1 sport in QLD, participation of junior AFL, aggressive grass roots AFL investment at school etc, will see the game move past the NRL.

That would be interesting to see. By 2040, Queenlands number 1 sport would be AFL.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

But it also helps that the NewsCorp's pet the Broncos are sucking quite hard, so they aren't crowing from the rooftops anywhere near as loudly about them anymore. I expect once they fix their problems and start pushing top of the table again we'll start to fade into obscurity once again too.

Great, yet another reason to pray for the death of Newscorp. Not only will it improve the state of journalism in general, but also the profile of Australian rules football in Queensland.

 

[Aussie in exile]

That would be interesting to see. By 2040, Queenlands number 1 sport would be AFL.

And most of us will dead so won't see it even if it was to happen

 

[box070]

The junior game in QLD from what I understand has a much larger AFL participation than NRL

Give it 20 years and AFL will be the #1 sport in QLD, participation of junior AFL, aggressive grass roots AFL investment at school etc, will see the game move past the NRL.

Junior and female numbers are huge in QLD but won’t touch Rugby League. With talk of a 2nd Brisbane team in the NRL it’s not something the AFL will ever achieve

 

[Freomaniac]

And most of us will dead so won't see it even if it was to happen

I will be still alive by then

 

[BringBackTorps]

Due to the agreement between the Qld. govt. & the AFL on the 2020 AFL Grand Final, the Qld. govt. has established the AFL Grand Final Infrastructure Legacy. This Legacy will fund an ongoing GR AF facilities program, initially worth $8m. This funding will be matched by the AFL.
(Other future AF infrastructure benefits are very likely, in addition to this initial announcement).

I assume this $8m is an ongoing yearly program; & is additional funding above what the Qld. govt. has provided for GR AF funding in 2020 ie an ongoing net increase of $8m x 2- or $4m x 2 (article does not clearly enunciate).

The announcement ceremony was attended by G. McLachlan, Qld. Minister for Sport S. Hinchcliffe, State Member for Greenslopes J.Kelly, & AFLQ Head T. Squires, indicating the Agreement is very significant, & of exceptional importance.
(If the Qld. govt. was providing an $8m one-off Grant, spread over several years, it would be considered a very minor amount, & very inconsequential).

It appears that most of this funding will go to GR female facilities initially. In some Qld. regional Qld. areas, just over only 1/4 of facilities are "female friendly".
(It can easily cost $250K X2, to build 2 separate female changerooms, & multiple female toilets & showers, at a single site).

There will also be significant improvements in lighting provided for ovals (where hilux can be very expensive, $150k+ per oval for training quality only; & $250K+ for 100 lux match quality). Less than 45% of all ovals in Qld. have adequate lighting.
This will enable much greater use of AF ovals in Qld., to enable teams to train & play matches in the cooler evenings starting after 6pm- especially beneficial in Qld., where the day time heat is much stronger.

"Despite covid, 2020 saw record registration numbers for SEQ jnrs".

In Qld. from 2021, all jnr Club participants (ie 8 y.o. -17 y.o.) will receive a free football from the AFL- this is a first in AF (not inc. remote Aboriginal clubs) for Qld. & Australia.
And probably for all other sports in an Aust. State, who don't provide a ball or bat etc. for all their Club jnrs to 17 y.o.?
(Previously, only Club Auskick participants, usually 5 y.o-8 y.o., received a free, rubber-covered football).

C. 42% of AF female participants in Qld. are female; & there has been a 53% increase in male & female AF participants in Qld. since 2014.

In 2021, the AF Qld. Schools Cup comp. is tracking to surpass the former record of 602 registered schools that competed in 2019.

$8m partnership kicks goals for community AFL in Queensland

The AFL and Queensland Government have teamed up with an $8m partnership

www.afl.com.au

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

How much of this will change with the olympics? You would think the Gabba might be upgraded to a bigger capacity, however this is not always a good thing with big stadia feeling soulless when less than 70% full.

 

[RUNVS]

How much of this will change with the olympics? You would think the Gabba might be upgraded to a bigger capacity, however this is not always a good thing with big stadia feeling soulless when less than 70% full.

I think Brisbane fans can answer this better than me but apparently the Gabba can't really be upgraded as there is no room to upgrade it as it is right against the road.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think Brisbane fans can answer this better than me but apparently the Gabba can't really be upgraded as there is no room to upgrade it as it is right against the road.

Correct. It overhangs main roads to the north and south, with a primary school to the east and a park and a heritage building to the west. There'd probably be a way to add another few thousand seats, but bringing it up to 50k might be a bit ambitious.

I think a new stadium, whether at the Gabba site or elsewhere, would bring a few more people to AFL or BBL games. They've done their best to make the Gabba look more attractive inside, but it's still a big mass of concrete that looks more like it's from the 90s rather than the 2010s. AFL attendances did fall to less than 50% of capacity during the last wooden spoon year, but things could be very different 10-15 years from now in terms of popularity.

 

[box070]

Correct. It overhangs main roads to the north and south, with a primary school to the east and a park and a heritage building to the west. There'd probably be a way to add another few thousand seats, but bringing it up to 50k might be a bit ambitious.

I think a new stadium, whether at the Gabba site or elsewhere, would bring a few more people to AFL or BBL games. They've done their best to make the Gabba look more attractive inside, but it's still a big mass of concrete that looks more like it's from the 90s rather than the 2010s. AFL attendances did fall to less than 50% of capacity during the last wooden spoon year, but things could be very different 10-15 years from now in terms of popularity.

I think the plan is to build a massive indoor stadium at Albion to replace Boondall. Gabba to be used for athletics etc but as alluded to can’t be extended too much. From the feedback on talkback radio they’re really conscious of not having White elephants post olympics so a huge expansion to the Gabba would be frivolous.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think the plan is to build a massive indoor stadium at Albion to replace Boondall. Gabba to be used for athletics etc but as alluded to can’t be extended too much. From the feedback on talkback radio they’re really conscious of not having White elephants post olympics so a huge expansion to the Gabba would be frivolous.

Where did you hear this? The plan to replace Boondall has long been Brisbane Live, an indoor arena above Roma St station.

 

[box070]

Where did you hear this? The plan to replace Boondall has long been Brisbane Live, an indoor arena above Roma St station.

The Lord Mayor was on with Neil Breen on 4BC late last week. Either way there aren’t any plans for a big outdoor stadium or major capacity upgrade to the Gabba

 

[Tasmanian saint]

The junior game in QLD from what I understand has a much larger AFL participation than NRL

Give it 20 years and AFL will be the #1 sport in QLD, participation of junior AFL, aggressive grass roots AFL investment at school etc, will see the game move past the NRL.

There will be a second Brisbane Nrl team soon that will definitely slow down the Afl progress a fair bit

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The Lord Mayor was on with Neil Breen on 4BC late last week. Either way there aren’t any plans for a big outdoor stadium or major capacity upgrade to the Gabba

Yes there are.

Premier flags possible new stadium to be built for Brisbane Olympics 2032

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk flags a new venue may be built to host the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics if the region secures the Games.

www.abc.net.au

 

[box070]

Yes there are.

Premier flags possible new stadium to be built for Brisbane Olympics 2032

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk flags a new venue may be built to host the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics if the region secures the Games.

www.abc.net.au

That’s completely different to what was being said on the radio last week.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I think the plan is to build a massive indoor stadium at Albion to replace Boondall. Gabba to be used for athletics etc but as alluded to can’t be extended too much. From the feedback on talkback radio they’re really conscious of not having White elephants post olympics so a huge expansion to the Gabba would be frivolous.

That's going to be a while as there is no money in the kitty for such thing with the world in meltdown due to covid