The thing is governments provide direct funding and other in-kind benefits to private business all the time on the basis of there being a broader economic or social benefit. For some reason people get their backs up more about community owned football clubs getting funding for facilities with explicit requirements to provide community access.
AFL overtaking NRL in QLD
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The thing is governments provide direct funding and other in-kind benefits to private business all the time on the basis of there being a broader economic or social benefit. For some reason people get their backs up more about community owned football clubs getting funding for facilities with explicit requirements to provide community access.
Agree. Would be problematic if the taxpayer money went directly to players income. But provision of facilities is trying to create a win- win for all stake holders..clubs, supporters, community, business. eg Dogs playing in Ballarat....great for locals, local business etc, expands club... you could argue that the AFL might prefer the match to be at Marvel but the Govt wants to promote regional Victoria so the AFL can help with that....and Bulldogs get the benefit.....obviously its a long term project so have to see how it plays out .
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As long as they are for multiple purposes, but as you say this is a grey area
Soccer has been saying they would kill off Australian Football sine the first European migrants came here in the 1950s!LOL
A lot juniors might play it but once they discover girls, booze and cars they are gone and don't go on and play seniors!
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NRL makes call on competition’s 17th team
The Redcliffe Dolphins will reportedly join the NRL in 2023 after clinching the league’s 17th licence, staving off bids from the Brisbane Firehawks and Brisbane Jets.
www.news.com.au
The NRL are expanding into the northern Brisbane/Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast markets. The Lions have put a lot of effort into the Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast markets in recent years with their base in Burpengary but the NRL are obviously keen to halt that with this announcement. It will mean less coverage from the local media for the Lions and they are really pulling out the big guns with Wayne Bennett expected to be the inaugural coach of the Dolphins' NRL side. There is also talk about an 18th side being introduced soon that would be based in western Brisbane.
The turf war is certainly heating up in south east Queensland. The AFL better prepare itself for an all out attack over the next 5-10 years.
NRL makes call on competition’s 17th team
The Redcliffe Dolphins will reportedly join the NRL in 2023 after clinching the league’s 17th licence, staving off bids from the Brisbane Firehawks and Brisbane Jets.
The NRL are expanding into the northern Brisbane/Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast markets. The Lions have put a lot of effort into the Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast markets in recent years with their base in Burpengary but the NRL are obviously keen to halt that with this announcement. It will mean less coverage from the local media for the Lions and they are really pulling out the big guns with Wayne Bennett expected to be the inaugural coach of the Dolphins' NRL side. There is also talk about an 18th side being introduced soon that would be based in western Brisbane.
The turf war is certainly heating up in south east Queensland. The AFL better prepare itself for an all out attack over the next 5-10 years.
Meh, I think there is a bit of delusion going on about how expansion works. The experience of the AFL is that it involves decades of investment and blood sweat and tears to establish a new club. This isn't even like Port and Freo, who both themselves really struggled for periods, despite one being the most successful and proportionately (compared to the size of the city) biggest club in the country and the other representing a far more coherent geographical split. And both coming in within 8 years of the first club in those cities.
The AFL should continue doing what it is doing - investing heavily in grass roots and elite pathways through the academies of the two clubs in Queensland.
I dont think this will affect the AFL much at all. I think they'd be more concerned with a team in Perth than what is already the NRL heartland.
As I mentioned before, this is a defensive expansion by the NRL. They have said and now followed through on thr nature of this expansion is to curtail the AFLs growth. It will be interesting to see how it goes as I dont think there's a precedence for it.
As I mentioned before, this is a defensive expansion by the NRL. They have said and now followed through on thr nature of this expansion is to curtail the AFLs growth. It will be interesting to see how it goes as I dont think there's a precedence for it.
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It's an absurdity that it has taken 34 years for the NRL to put another team in rugby league's 2nd biggest market in the world (admittedly, the Crushers had a dire two year existence pre-super league wars).
We need to keep in mind that it took the Bronco's special and blessed set of circumstances for them to become the size of a middling AFL club, barely able to keep up with the likes of Port and Freo.
So the Crushers Mk II might be a little bit better than the Crushers Mk I, but I wouldn't be expecting a whole lot more.
We need to keep in mind that it took the Bronco's special and blessed set of circumstances for them to become the size of a middling AFL club, barely able to keep up with the likes of Port and Freo.
So the Crushers Mk II might be a little bit better than the Crushers Mk I, but I wouldn't be expecting a whole lot more.
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It’s incredible, It won’t be long until Brisbane is twice the size of Adelaide. Crazy to think they’ve only had one side
The AFL is ready and will keep on improving in SE QLD.There is plenty of scope for improvement by the AFL.NRL makes call on competition’s 17th team
The Redcliffe Dolphins will reportedly join the NRL in 2023 after clinching the league’s 17th licence, staving off bids from the Brisbane Firehawks and Brisbane Jets.
The NRL are expanding into the northern Brisbane/Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast markets. The Lions have put a lot of effort into the Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast markets in recent years with their base in Burpengary but the NRL are obviously keen to halt that with this announcement. It will mean less coverage from the local media for the Lions and they are really pulling out the big guns with Wayne Bennett expected to be the inaugural coach of the Dolphins' NRL side. There is also talk about an 18th side being introduced soon that would be based in western Brisbane.
The turf war is certainly heating up in south east Queensland. The AFL better prepare itself for an all out attack over the next 5-10 years.
Don't forget the AFL started from a low base and RL was well established for decades before the Brisbane Lions came along!
Yep very poor planning by the RL bosses.
Brisbane/QLD is not the fanatical RL heartland RL urgers think it is!
They should have just relocated the struggling GC Titans to Brisbane instead of setting up a new club that could take years to build up support and come and be successful.
NRL-ready for 2023: Reasons behind Dolphins' successful bid
The Dolphins have been granted a club licence to join the NRL in 2023
www.nrl.com
Confirmation from the NRL that Redcliffe is entering their competition in 2023.
The NRL stated this morning that part of the conditions laid out for the Dolphins to enter the NRL was a commitment to invest $2 million per year into participation and development pathways in their region. This is going to seriously shake things up in the Queensland turf war. If you look at where the majority of the Lions' academy picks have come from, you will notice the big ones have mostly come from the northern Brisbane/Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast corridor that Redcliffe will be targeting from today onwards - Harris Andrews (Northern Brisbane), Eric Hipwood (Sunshine Coast), Tom Fullarton (Sunshine Coast), Jack Payne (Sunshine Coast), Conor McFadyen (Northern Brisbane). I just hope the AFL is ready to combat this by providing more support to the two Queensland teams.
Master coach Wayne Bennett will be announced as their inaugural coach soon and they are targeting some big names like Munster and Ponga. Redcliffe is a very wealthy club for anyone who doesn't know. The AFL can't afford to underestimate the effect this announcement is going to have on the Queensland sporting market going forward.
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The only thing lacking for the AFL is eyes on the tele. In every other facet, they're doing great.
Meanwhile the NRL just increased their television exposure in Queensland by at least 25%.
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Great work. 15 years too late
Don't think it threatens AFL at all but at least a second Brisbane team is going to have every chance to financially suceed
Don't think it threatens AFL at all but at least a second Brisbane team is going to have every chance to financially suceed
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Yea, but it really doesn't matter when talking about AFL. Need to turn the 40-80k into 80-140k. Maybe that's a generational thing too, although a competitive Suns would probably help that too.
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Lions ratings in brisbane in 2008 were occasionally reaching that 100k mark. I dont have records before that, but imagine during the successful years and leading up to the 2007 Grand Final, the ratings would have been ok. Sustained periods of success are necessary for any team in Queensland.
What are you talking about? Of course this is going to matter for the AFL. Putting the TV ratings to the side for a minute, there is now a new professional sports franchise based in an area the AFL/Lions have targeted over the last 10-20 years and they are going to spend $2 million every year on winning over the local kids/increasing junior rugby league participation rates. That's essentially the equivalent of an AFL northern academy so how are the Lions expected to win over a talented Sunshine Coast junior like Eric Hipwood when all his friends are playing rugby league and telling him to quit 'gAyFL' and join them in the Dolphins academy? This is what happens in Sydney with talented juniors who play our game like Tom Trbojevic. He was a standout in the Sydney Swans academy but the peer pressure and pull towards rugby league was too great. He's now arguably the best player in their sport but could have become an AFL player under different conditions.
The NRL has segmented the south east Queensland market into four significant areas - Brisbane city, Gold Coast, the northern corridor and the western corridor. They believe the northern corridor will hit 1.1 million people in 2031, the Gold Coast is also expected to hit around the 1 million person mark by then and the western corridor should be a little under 1 million. Brisbane city/south Brisbane will be in the 1.5-2 million person mark by then.
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It doesn't matter in that I'm talking about current tv ratings. In every other aspect, AFL is doing great and I just don't see that changing regardless of a new NRL team in Brisbane.
Anyway, competition is healthy and so is choice. So what if not everyone plays Australian football. It won't be the end of the world or hurt the growth of the game and if you're seriously considering giving the game away because your mates call it gayfl, then maybe you should because the sport's a whole lot hard than some childish word which you'll most likely be sledged with far worse on the field.
Reading the story on Tom it seemed like he was destined to choose Rugby league regardless, while Isaac Heeney went the other way and both of them turned out to be guns in their chosen sport.
Regularly this year when I checked the NRL on the main channel in Brisbane was barely beating non Lions AFL matches on 7 mate 3 to 1 (which as has been demonstrated to be equivalent to a lower ratio when you factor the game goes for an hour longer).
Room for growth, sure, but hardly doing poorly.
Mate, the NRL haven'e segmented anything. They've introduced the team that News ltd let them bring in.
Also, it's going to take decades for the majority of the likes of Tom Trbojevic to choose the AFL in NSW and QLD. Certainly seems a lot more of the talented ones are going to the AFL over the last decade or so.
What I would like to see from an NRL standpoint is to actually stop trying to prop up what it has and actually go looking for AFL talent. In a team that has a dynamic playmaker - look at the roosters as a prime example: they have luke keary who is fantastic with ball in hand, has a great running and passing game. All they need next to him is a guy like Drew Hutchison who did a manful job this season to take pressure off him with his kicks, tackle reasonably and be a link man to the outside backs.
You could find a dozen players languishing in the VFL who could do that role as well as or better than a role player like Hutchison - belt you out of your own end with a long kick, launch bombs etc. I’m amazed they haven’t tried it more
You could find a dozen players languishing in the VFL who could do that role as well as or better than a role player like Hutchison - belt you out of your own end with a long kick, launch bombs etc. I’m amazed they haven’t tried it more
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