AFL State of Origin...? How should it be structured

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juss

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Or three years in late October to november.

I'd go with a 6 team comp

Vic, wa, sa, NSW/act, Qld/nt, Tas/international

Pools of three with one overlap game...then semis and a final
Don't think it works after the season has lost momentum, players have been sent for surgery, are holidaying in the off season and about to start preseason. Late Oct/Early Nov is an akward time.
 

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Don't think it works after the season has lost momentum, players have been sent for surgery, are holidaying in the off season and about to start preseason. Late Oct/Early Nov is an akward time.
In my opinion it is the only time that works. No one is going to accept disruption of the season. People are delusional if they think that clubs are going to release their best players during or right before the season. Best chance is the end of the season.

Also, football dominates the conversation well in to November without any football being played
 

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I have a Better Idea.
6 teams - Vic, WA, SA, NSW/ ACT, QLD/ NT, TAS
3 weeks a Year in Post season (What International Rules would be)
2 Years
Top 2 Plays Grand Final
 

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Michael Malthouse took the Vic view to the Eagles & that was that for Origin in WA.
Not sure it was him so much as that it was a noticeable number of WA players coming out of a single WA team.

Average SoO game would have been at least 1.5 teams worth of players from VFL and under 0.5 from WAFL/SANFL....So the average VFL club would have been losing ~3-4 players, while the average WAFL/SANFL club would lose ~1...So naturally, VFL clubs were more concerned about the risks, and took more steps to limit their exposure. When WCE was in the same situation (actually worse if memory serves) they behaved the same way.
 

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In my opinion it is the only time that works. No one is going to accept disruption of the season. People are delusional if they think that clubs are going to release their best players during or right before the season. Best chance is the end of the season.

Also, football dominates the conversation well in to November without any football being played
At that stage most players fall into 3 brackets.

Unfit/boozing/resting/holidaying/Not match or skill ready.

In rehab from an earlier season injury and /sent for surgery preparing for preseason.

Still injured.

No one wants to see WA's second team take on a SA third team vs. VIC fourth best available team.

The mandatory off period won't work imo.
 

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Not sure it was him so much as that it was a noticeable number of WA players coming out of a single WA team.

Average SoO game would have been at least 1.5 teams worth of players from VFL and under 0.5 from WAFL/SANFL....So the average VFL club would have been losing ~3-4 players, while the average WAFL/SANFL club would lose ~1...So naturally, VFL clubs were more concerned about the risks, and took more steps to limit their exposure. When WCE was in the same situation (actually worse if memory serves) they behaved the same way.
Nope, Mick was looking after his own interests/doing the job he was paid to do.
Courtesy of the VFL stuff up* over the formation of the Eagles squad, & the attempts to fix it, Micks squad included the cream of the 1985 Teal Cup squad ( John Worsfold, Bluey McKenna, Chris Lewis, Paul Peos, Chris Waterman, Peter Sumich and Scott Watters).
The early adopters were well behind the Eagles at this time.

* 35 in the initial squad compared to 53 for the rest, it was going to be evened up at some point & was.


You are spot on, the Eagles knew the rules they needed to follow to win a flag & Mick called the shots.
 
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Well this is what I can come up with.

Play it the second and third week after the AFL Grand Final with players from the two Grand Final teams excluded. This is to still try and give players a long break before the following season. The teams are selected on the Tuesday after Brownlow Medal Night, so more tv focus is on the AFL in the lead up to the Grand Final.

Have a team to represent every State, unfortunately the Territories miss out, but with players able to be pulled up from state leagues to help the smaller states. Maybe let NT pair with QLD and let ACT pair with NSW, but i'm not sure on it.

On a five year rotation, each state will only play one other state that year, on a one game at home and one game away arrangement. This could be expanded to include the territories though. So that it may look like:

Year 1:
Week 1 - WA vs SA in Perth, Vic vs Tas in Melbourne, QLD vs NSW in Brisbane
Week 2 - SA vs WA in Adelaide, Tas vs Vic in Hobart, NSW vs QLD in Sydney

Year 2
Week 1 - QLD vs Tas in Brisbane, SA vs NSW in Adelaide, Vic vs WA in Melbourne
Week 2 - Tas vs QLD in Hobart, NSW vs SA in Sydney, WA vs Vic in Perth

etc for following years.

And it is purely competed against the team you play that year, so no over-arching winning state, based on an aggregate score between the two games.
Agree with the teams NSW/ACT and QLD/NT , Try to create a competitive balance....wait for several seasons before NSW or Qld plays Victoria.... Initially play all matches in Southern states to get a crowd, Once NSW and Qld start winning ....extend to those states. Having star players identified as coming from NSW or Qld would be a massive boost for the profile of AFL in expansion states.
 

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At that stage most players fall into 3 brackets.

Unfit/boozing/resting/holidaying/Not match or skill ready.

In rehab from an earlier season injury and /sent for surgery preparing for preseason.

Still injured.

No one wants to see WA's second team take on a SA third team vs. VIC fourth best available team.

The mandatory off period won't work imo.
Would definitely play it during season bye round...raise profile of top players and pay them big money...provide a real incentive.
 

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if everyone was on board with it (league admin, players, coaches etc.)…. I would do a "State of Origin" break/weekend in the middle of the season...

3 tiers, 6 teams - VIC, SA, WA, TAS, NSW/ACT, QLD/NT

You win, you go up a tier or stay in the top tier for next season
You lose, you go down a tier or stay in the bottom tier for next season

Home team alternates for each individual match-up... so if its VIC v WA at the MCG, the next time they play each other, the game will be in Perth

SoO had it's place at one point... no longer relevant/workable now... I mean if we ever get an Tasmania club in the future, it's possible that the majority of the side plays again during SoO as a "state" side which would be kind of redundant
 

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Division 1: WA, SA, Vic, NSW
Division 2: Qld, ACT, Tas, NT

Promotion/relegation - winner of div 2 goes up, loser of div 1 goes down. Similar timing to RL - say after round 6, round 11 and round 16.

But it will never happen.
 

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Yep, I like the idea of the first one back being in Perth, at Optus, for WA v Victoria on the eve of WA Day: Sunday 5.20pm.

It's a pity that weekend is round 10 and not 11. I'm sure clubs would prefer to have an 12/10 split than a 10/12 one, but I wonder if the season could be brought forward a weekend to work it out?

Hold it every three years. It gives it some real gravitas. It means genuinely good, long-term players earn their jumper. While there's no shame in having a great ten weeks and winning a state strip, it still seems a bit more... coveted if it's every three years. The next edition is also decided when the siren goes and confirmed a few months afterwards. Obviously the winner gets to host the next one. Builds some narrative and hype while also opening up dialogue of if it should be a rematch, what state is looking strong or overdue for a face-off... The other benefit is you can see how one time-slot worked and rejig. Perhaps 2023 could be a complete season-opener the Friday night before Carlton - Richmond, or the week before Christmas when players have just gotten back into training.

So in theory it could end up like:

2020: Western Australia v Victoria – Sunday, May 31 at Optus Stadium, Perth, 5.20pm.
2023: Western Australia v South Australia – Sunday, June 03 at Optus Stadium, Perth, 5.20pm.
2026: South Australia v Victoria – Saturday, October 10 at Adelaide Oval, Adelaide, 7.10pm.
2029: Victoria v South Australia – Friday, March 15 at the MCG, Melbourne, 7.50pm.
 
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Once every 4 years when the Olympics are on, have a SoO carnival.

Its a dead period for other sports when the Olympics are on, which takes up 3 weekends over 16 days from opening to closing ceremonies and Ch 7 will be the Olympic network and footy network for the next decade. You could sell the carnival to 9 or 10 to host.

So play it over 2 of those first weekends, have Saturday games, Wednesday night games and then Sunday games.

First one have it like U/18 comp ie Vic Metro, Vic Country, WA and SA in Div 1 and in Div 2 have NSW/ACT, Qld, Tas, NT. Then have promotion and relegation and eventually merger the 2 Vic teams as you work out a better model.

The real issue would be that the Olympics vary when held between mid July to late August. Ideally early July would be good, and the majority of players would get 2 not 1 weekend off and refreshed for the last month of finals.

These are the days of the last 4 Olympics and next 3.

2004 Athens 13 Aug to 29 Aug
2008 Beijing 8 Aug to 24 Aug
2012 London 27 July to 12 Aug
2016 Rio 5 Aug to 21 Aug
2020 Tokyo 24 July to 9 Aug
2024 Paris 26 July to 11 Aug
2028 Los Angeles 21 July to 6 Aug

LA games 21st is a Friday so a Saturday 22nd through to Sunday 30th July games would mean 4 games left in August a finals bye weekend and GF on Saturday 30th September.

You could start it Saturday 15th July and finish Sunday 23rd, so that leaves 5 games before finals, as most of the sports media and general media start going all Olympics the weekend before the opening ceremony.

Paris games the same, start it the week before, Saturday 20th and finish Sunday the 27th July which would leave 4 weekends, the bye and 28th September GF.

But the players thru their PA would have to demand this to happen, rather than fans or the AFL wanting it. If the players don't buy in, it will be a flop.
 
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