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Don't think it works after the season has lost momentum, players have been sent for surgery, are holidaying in the off season and about to start preseason. Late Oct/Early Nov is an akward time.Or three years in late October to november.
I'd go with a 6 team comp
Vic, wa, sa, NSW/act, Qld/nt, Tas/international
Pools of three with one overlap game...then semis and a final
In my opinion it is the only time that works. No one is going to accept disruption of the season. People are delusional if they think that clubs are going to release their best players during or right before the season. Best chance is the end of the season.Don't think it works after the season has lost momentum, players have been sent for surgery, are holidaying in the off season and about to start preseason. Late Oct/Early Nov is an akward time.
Not sure it was him so much as that it was a noticeable number of WA players coming out of a single WA team.Michael Malthouse took the Vic view to the Eagles & that was that for Origin in WA.
At that stage most players fall into 3 brackets.In my opinion it is the only time that works. No one is going to accept disruption of the season. People are delusional if they think that clubs are going to release their best players during or right before the season. Best chance is the end of the season.
Also, football dominates the conversation well in to November without any football being played
Nope, Mick was looking after his own interests/doing the job he was paid to do.Not sure it was him so much as that it was a noticeable number of WA players coming out of a single WA team.
Average SoO game would have been at least 1.5 teams worth of players from VFL and under 0.5 from WAFL/SANFL....So the average VFL club would have been losing ~3-4 players, while the average WAFL/SANFL club would lose ~1...So naturally, VFL clubs were more concerned about the risks, and took more steps to limit their exposure. When WCE was in the same situation (actually worse if memory serves) they behaved the same way.
Agree with the teams NSW/ACT and QLD/NT , Try to create a competitive balance....wait for several seasons before NSW or Qld plays Victoria.... Initially play all matches in Southern states to get a crowd, Once NSW and Qld start winning ....extend to those states. Having star players identified as coming from NSW or Qld would be a massive boost for the profile of AFL in expansion states.Well this is what I can come up with.
Play it the second and third week after the AFL Grand Final with players from the two Grand Final teams excluded. This is to still try and give players a long break before the following season. The teams are selected on the Tuesday after Brownlow Medal Night, so more tv focus is on the AFL in the lead up to the Grand Final.
Have a team to represent every State, unfortunately the Territories miss out, but with players able to be pulled up from state leagues to help the smaller states. Maybe let NT pair with QLD and let ACT pair with NSW, but i'm not sure on it.
On a five year rotation, each state will only play one other state that year, on a one game at home and one game away arrangement. This could be expanded to include the territories though. So that it may look like:
Week 1 - WA vs SA in Perth, Vic vs Tas in Melbourne, QLD vs NSW in Brisbane
Week 2 - SA vs WA in Adelaide, Tas vs Vic in Hobart, NSW vs QLD in Sydney
Week 1 - QLD vs Tas in Brisbane, SA vs NSW in Adelaide, Vic vs WA in Melbourne
Week 2 - Tas vs QLD in Hobart, NSW vs SA in Sydney, WA vs Vic in Perth
etc for following years.
And it is purely competed against the team you play that year, so no over-arching winning state, based on an aggregate score between the two games.
Would definitely play it during season bye round...raise profile of top players and pay them big money...provide a real incentive.At that stage most players fall into 3 brackets.
Unfit/boozing/resting/holidaying/Not match or skill ready.
In rehab from an earlier season injury and /sent for surgery preparing for preseason.
No one wants to see WA's second team take on a SA third team vs. VIC fourth best available team.
The mandatory off period won't work imo.
What is so complex about the game that they couldn't learn in a couple of training session? Its not as if the coaches are going to employ some complex negative shutdown strategies to be a 8 goals vs 7 goals type game under the roof in perfect conditions.2. the game is too complex nowadays to be able to cobble together a team and get them to play together that weekend - they would need at least a couple of weeks to drill particularly game plans etc
Plus 1s and 2s? Seriously?What is so complex about the game that they couldn't learn in a couple of training session? Its not as if the coaches are going to employ some complex negative shutdown strategies to be a 8 goals vs 7 goals type game under the roof in perfect conditions.
Maybe that is the selling point for SoO. Sell it to the players that you will able to leave the bulls**t of professional modern footy behind, and come and play the game like you did when you fell in love with as a kid.
I can't see coaches playing all the game with +1 or +2 defenders after the centre bounce lets people move out of 6-6-6 formation. The coaches wont coach to not lose and save their jobs like you get in the AFL comp.
Some good cash to play, some footy fun, some beers and bonding mid week like the NRL SoO boys do, might be the hook to get the players interested.
Aussie rules is a simple game. Modern coaches have tried to turn into soccer with using hands.Plus 1s and 2s? Seriously?
Any comparisons with rugby league are ridiculous. The game is the most simple and monotonous sport on the planet and the NRL is played in front of empty stadiums.
An AFL state of origin would need to have multiple weeks for the players to train together and would need to be at the end of the season as not to disturb the AFL season
Ahh, another one who confuses their lack of comprension with the games apparent lack of complexityAussie rules is a simple game. Modern coaches have tried to turn into soccer with using hands.
List what the bloody hell they have to spend multiple weeks training to learn and get right?
Its not going to some sort of massive high stakes games the first couple of times they play. It will exhibition type games like the pro bowl in the NFL.
Please list what you think the players have to work thru for 2 weeks to play basically exhibition games - in October - their holiday period???Ahh, another one who confuses their lack of comprension with the games apparent lack of complexity
30 years ago you could name someone right half back and that would be enough. What would that mean to a modern player?
Well done. You've managed to move the goal posts, avoid my question and then have the audacity to ask me one at the same time!Please list what you think the players have to work thru for 2 weeks to play basically exhibition games - in October - their holiday period???
Hang on, I asked you a question, you avoided it and asked me one and now you accuse me of audacity.Well done. You've managed to move the goal posts, avoid my question and then have the audacity to ask me one at the same time!
If they are to introduce state of origin tournaments it won't be as "basically exhibition games" - they will be serious tournaments or otherwise there is no point
Given this, teams will need to develop game plans; understandings of how they'll organise in different game scenarios ; how they'll transition between possession, defence and stoppage; running patterns of forwards etc
It is not like, say, rugby league where positions and roles and heavily shaped by the regimented rules and the monotonous bore of a game that has been produced by the progressive removal of contested possession.
To call the modern game "soccer with using hands" makes me wonder what you actually think you are watching. It does shed light on why you might think that you could just throw 36 modern professional players out on to a football ground and you would end up with a coherent spectacle
The AFL has borrowed from soccer as well as many other sports. To try to assert the AFL tactical evolution over the last 20 years is a direct transfer from soccer is profoundly superficial and is the assertion of a very limited mind. Soccer has barely anything to offer in regards to the contested / stoppage game for instance. Rugby union has offered more than soccer at that level and the transitioning between the stoppage situation to defence and attack has probably more analogy (but very limited) with ice hockey and basketballHang on, I asked you a question, you avoided it and asked me one and now you accuse me of audacity.
You are not going to get these games being much more than exhibition games. If the OP thought that then he/she is living in fantasy land. These games will be like the NFL Pro Bowl Games. That's all.
They are not going to go into fine details minutia like you think it will and require rocket science preparation.
The soccer with hands comment comes from the fact that most clubs are trying to copy Ajax and Barcelona's Total Football game strategies. Use the high press, make the field as small as possible inside your forward 50, keep players on the outside to stop the oppo getting an easy out, keep possession at all cost, move the ball around the arc rather than just blaze away etc. Others are studying the counter attacking style you see a lot of in the Italian and German leagues.
Watch a decent standard soccer game and watch an AFL game and you can see the coaches have taken strategies straight out of soccer. Why does Clarko go to Bolton Wanderers nearly every year of his coaching tenure in the off season for a refresher course, as well as other big soccer clubs?? Why do other club coaches go and spend time with EPL and Euro soccer clubs? For the football shirts and chanting? One game has been full time professional for 30 or 40 years more than the other and has evolved it strategies ad tactics more than the other one. The other one is copying straight from its play book.