AFL to spend big on struggling clubs footy departments.

[awesummm]

"There are probably six or seven clubs that in some area across their club, it might not just be the footy department, that need to invest to bring them up, and leave them in a strong position.

"Another big part of it is doing what we can to make sure we help those clubs that have fallen behind financially, so they can afford to spend their full salary cap, and they can afford to invest appropriately in their footy departments."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/120527/default.aspx


At least they're doing something but I feel this is more or less just treating the symptoms and not the cause. By the sound of it it won't be a continual investment, more so a one off thing to propr clubs up to the same level as more well off teams before tapering it off to a small trickle. I mean, wouldn't the gap just reapear in another 10 or so years unless the clubs lagging behind department wise become very financially viable?

 

[Teffy]

It looks like a token piece meal solution to me.

Why not equalise the draw while we're at it?

 

[HFF]

It looks like a token piece meal solution to me.

Why not equalise the draw while we're at it?

Just how would you do that?

What "drawing power" can your club contribute to the gate?

 

[Pessimistic]

This is going to annoy the AFLPA.

Darcy made the point.

More stuff at the club is OK but you cant take that home to feed the wife and kids

 

[Fred]

Just how would you do that?

What "drawing power" can your club contribute to the gate?

What's that got to do with anything? Have a fair draw and the gate is what it is.

 

[MYLOTIS]

Why not equalise the draw while we're at it?

Because the gate takings and TV rights deal would suffer.

$$$ talks.

 

[HFF]

What's that got to do with anything? Have a fair draw and the gate is what it is.

It has everything to do with it. The AFL wants to maximise revenue- this is why the draw isn't "equal".

Why would they fixture sides to the detriment of the bottom line when these "weaker" sides rely on the very $$$ the AFL generates by fixturing it the way they do?

 

[Teffy]

Because the gate takings and TV rights deal would suffer.

$$$ talks.

Hey, at least you are honest.

Until the $$$ are distributed more equally, the game will continue to be a farce.

 

[HFF]

I agree with Teffy (without hitting back at you ROO). There's no war. I don't have beef with any posters (maybe outside the st kilda mod squad who make the rules as they go along ).

I'm all for assistance for the weaker or struggling clubs in some capacity, just not at the expense of the stronger clubs like Teffy wants.

At the end of the day, no competition is ever going to be "equal". There are already a host of measures in place that guards the competition in order to keep it as fair as possible.

Let the game evolve on its own- it's the best advice I've ever heard. It will always remedy itself as it has done over its existence. There's no need to over-react. i.e. Victorian football was doomed 5 years ago.

 

[Hornberger]

What's that got to do with anything? Have a fair draw and the gate is what it is.

Because that doesn't help . Giving North Melbourne their 1.3 home friday night games per season won't do anything to close the gap.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

I was curious to see the Carlton receives additional financial assistance from the AFL. I wouldn't have grouped them with clubs that need assistance. They are doing well on-field, have some very good players and don't look to struggle in attracting sponsors. What's the story there?

 

[Teffy]

Because that doesn't help . Giving North Melbourne their 1.3 home friday night games per season won't do anything to close the gap.

There is some truth in this statement.

The gap that has been created over many years will not be closed in a single season.

However, generating more money means less equalisation outside of gatetakings and memberships.

Many supporters of the current favored clubs want to have their cake and eat it too, and the attempts to morally rationalise the situation are absurd in the extreme.

I'd have a lot more respect for a supporter of a favored club that was at least honest enough to openly state that they are aware that the current scenario drastically favors their club, and they are happy to live with that scenario.

 

[Adz2332]

It looks like a token piece meal solution to me.

Why not equalise the draw while we're at it?

Haha thats a dream for lots of clubs!! Wont happen.

What i find funny is, the fact that you can have the good time slots when you get your crowd numbers up... But you'll never get your crowd numbers up with sh*t time slots and days. And so the cycle continues...

While were at it how about making Vic teams travel more outside there state?
With Collingwood leaving Vic 4 times in a whole season and interstate clubs travling every other week.

 

[Rooiginal]

Because that doesn't help . Giving North Melbourne their 1.3 home friday night games per season won't do anything to close the gap.

Actually it will. It might only mean we get marginally more exposure but it means clubs like Collingwood and Essendon will get significantly less exposure therefore minimising the gap. It will slow down the growth of the teams who are presently getting the lion share of the premium slots therefore halting the ever widening gap between the poor and the rich.

 

[Lach72]

I love this equalisation stuff.

The AFL pays for Victorian footy.

West Coast and Freo bank roll WA footy...Pay for the development of the players, support the WAFL clubs and cash flows down through the levels.

Vic clubs get the fruits of this as well.
So essentially, we pay for the development of the Lance Franklin's and the David Swallow's etc while the AFL pays for the Vic players.
So, we pay for the initial development of Hawthorn's/Collingwood's etc players. Awesome.

So, now the AFL, who also get money from Freo and West Coast, are going to give more money to clubs who "need" it, and probably have already been given money from the AFL that West Coast and Freo have contributed to, due to the 'equalisation" of the draw.

Never mind that we both have a heap of this "shit" fixturing that the everyone always bleats about.

We made a "massive 400k" profit last year...We're rich.

 

[Teffy]

Haha thats a dream for lots of clubs!! Wont happen.

What i find funny is, the fact that you can have the good time slots when you get your crowd numbers up... But you'll never get your crowd numbers up with sh*t time slots and days. And so the cycle continues...

While were at it how about making Vic teams travel more outside there state?
With Collingwood leaving Vic 4 times in a whole season and interstate clubs travling every other week.

Mate, I am in your corner 100%.

A even draw, even scheduling, salary caps and footy department caps.

Money saved could be spent expanding the game and given back to what actually built this game in the first place, the people.

The game has eroded ever since it's primary objection became money.

 

[Teffy]

I love this equalisation stuff.

The AFL pays for Victorian footy.

West Coast and Freo bank roll WA footy...Pay for the development of the players, support the WAFL clubs and cash flows down through the levels.

Vic clubs get the fruits of this as well.
So essentially, we pay for the development of the Lance Franklin's and the David Swallow's etc while the AFL pays for the Vic players.
So, we pay for the initial development of Hawthorn's/Collingwood's etc players. Awesome.

So, now the AFL, who also get money from Freo and West Coast, are going to give more money to clubs who "need" it, and probably have already been given money from the AFL that West Coast and Freo have contributed to, due to the 'equalisation" of the draw.

Never mind that we both have a heap of this "shit" fixturing that the everyone always bleats about.

We made a "massive 400k" profit last year...We're rich.

This is another by product of the rampant capitalist model and it needs to be fixed.

 

[SJ]

Agree with the concensus here. Why equalisation in some facets but not others? Ludicrous really. Give every club the chance to stand on their feet rather than hacking their legs out from under them with the draw and then pushing some cash their way to accept it. Current situation is unsustainable long-term.

 

[Falchoon]

Because the gate takings and TV rights deal would suffer.

$$$ talks.

In the clamour to become big business the sport is suffering

 

[harmesy 37]

I hope they give a lot more money to all the clubs from the TV revenue...and if they are helping some footy departments- why not others? (except Collingwood's, Geelong's and West Coast's)

Most clubs are still struggling. Carlton are still in serious debt, if they gave us a bigger cut from the tv revenue and/or assistance for the footy dept I would be happy. That can also be used to pay off our debt.

 

[Max zero]

Mate, I am in your corner 100%.

A even draw, even scheduling, salary caps and footy department caps.

Money saved could be spent expanding the game and given back to what actually built this game in the first place, the people.

The game has eroded ever since it's primary objection became money.

So we just fire all the extra footy department people ( guess they don't count) and have poorer off field resources all round?

In the meantime rich clubs build up massive share portfolios. They are just not allowed to use it to help the club.

Go socialism!

 

[Teffy]

So we just fire all the extra footy department people ( guess they don't count) and have poorer off field resources all round?

Hey, I'm not asking to fire anyone, I'm asking to share them.

In the meantime rich clubs build up massive share portfolios. They are just not allowed to use it to help the club.

Nope, reduce outrageous ticketing, seating and foods costs and give the money back to the fans.

Go socialism!

But isn't true capitalism about "competition"?

Y'know, for the good of the consumer?

 

[Max zero]

Hey, I'm not asking to fire anyone, I'm asking to share them.



Nope, reduce outrageous ticketing, seating and foods costs and give the money back to the fans.



But isn't true capitalism about "competition"?

Y'know, for the good of the consumer?

Share them? You want our recruitment staff or something?

Capitalism is about equal opportunity not equal outcome. Evening the draw? Fine. But putting caps on football departments (arguably player payments as well) goes completly against capitalism. If club x wants to spent so much on a player or coach who is to say they can't?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

This is going to annoy the AFLPA.

Darcy made the point.

More stuff at the club is OK but you cant take that home to feed the wife and kids

He's not seriously trying to suggest that there are AFL players who are struggling to feed the wife and kids??

 

[DTShowtime]

I find it odd that Carlton have their hand out for such a payment.