Play Nice AFL Womens - General Discussion

[Teen Wolf]

I know this isn't the 2024 list. But it seems all of their VFLW coaches could still be 100% women?

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Yeah like I said, the philosophy at HFC seems to be: when the stakes are low enough, it's ok to hire women. That and "it's bad if other clubs hire a male AFLW senior coach, but it's ok when we do it."

4 years into their quest of supposedly developing more female coaches, but apparently none are ready to be an AFLW senior coach yet.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Webster has been coaching since 2015. Probably has better experience and ideas than those women developing at the Hawks at this time. Not like he's new to aflw either. Not really a thing where you go you have done x years so you’re getting the job anyway. Many people miss out at all levels. Who knows how many felt they were ready and even applied from that group? You could go looking for malice anywhere when we aren’t involved in the discussions.

I look forward to seeing how it goes for the Hawks.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Webster has been coaching since 2015. Probably has better experience and ideas than those women developing at the Hawks at this time. Not like he's new to aflw either. Not really a thing where you go you have done x years so you’re getting the job anyway. Many people miss out at all levels. Who knows how many felt they were ready and even applied from that group? You could go looking for malice anywhere when we aren’t involved in the discussions.

I look forward to seeing how it goes for the Hawks.

Yes you can consider all the nuances of the issue.

Or you can just do what a bunch of Hawthorn officials publicly did 2 years ago: blindly criticise other clubs for their decisions, demand those clubs hand back their licences, and hysterically lament how "AFLW is a women's competition run by men".

 

[petits]

Yes you can consider all the nuances of the issue.

Or you can just do what a bunch of Hawthorn officials publicly did 2 years ago: blindly criticise other clubs for their decisions, demand those clubs hand back their licences, and hysterically lament how "AFLW is a women's competition run by men".

Where did they demand other clubs hand back their licenses? 'Hysterical' is a classically sexist way to criticise women that I wouldn't expect from an AFLW supporter like you... Is this just an anti-Hawks thing?

 

[Teen Wolf]

Where did they demand other clubs hand back their licenses? 'Hysterical' is a classically sexist way to criticise women that I wouldn't expect from an AFLW supporter like you... Is this just an anti-Hawks thing?

On Twitter.

Considering I've criticised Jeff Kennett on here for hysterically claiming Hawthorn were being discriminated against, it seems like the second-most fitting criticism of their women's football program to date (only behind hypocritical).

 

[cats_09]

Where did they demand other clubs hand back their licenses? 'Hysterical' is a classically sexist way to criticise women that I wouldn't expect from an AFLW supporter like you... Is this just an anti-Hawks thing?

This was Bec Goddard in 2020 - note that she was signed as Hawthorns VFLW coach in Dec 2019

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Bulldogs appoint Tamara Hyett as AFLW head coach

The Western Bulldogs are delighted to announce the appointment of Tamara Hyett as AFLW senior coach.

www.westernbulldogs.com.au

The better choice I think

 

[Tandy]

The fact Laidley made it to the final two was a joke and, imo a disgrace. If she still identified as a man the women's comp, the players and aflw fans would never have allowed it to get this far.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

There were rumors of our sponsors not being happy with Dani being in the running - but that's obviously not fact.

 

[FoopyNerd]

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Has anyone been able to read this article? What's it about? Seems somewhat concerning, hopefully nothing that will impact the Swannies

 

[Teen Wolf]

The article talks about Collingwood considering to align their VFLW program with Williamstown late last year (which they ended up not doing). It then says players weren't happy about this and nearly all of them have since left.

It also points out some of the exited players have accepted paid offers at other clubs. It doesn't mention, however, the discontent among players with regards to not getting a chance at AFLW level via Collingwood.

 

[The Nostradamus]

What punishment are we expecting for Lexi Hamilton and Paige Sheppard for the illicit drugs?

 

[jatz14]

What punishment are we expecting for Lexi Hamilton and Paige Sheppard for the illicit drugs?

Well, we dont expect anything, as we know what will happen, as it comes under the AFLs first strike recreational drug policy, and not under the performance enhancing drug policy, as its out of competition.

First amongst that lot, is that they aren't to be named.

 

[Arwib]

What punishment are we expecting for Lexi Hamilton and Paige Sheppard for the illicit drugs?

It's a pity they didn't just do it in Lexi's home city, it's not even a criminal offence here, unlike in less sensible parts of the country. Would've just been a small fine like a parking ticket, and likely not recorded in public unlike under the NSW court system.

 

[jatz14]

The early reports, and even later reports, mention the AFLs first strike policy.

However, the story on AFLW says this policy does not yet apply to the AFLW.



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[Tandy]

What punishment are we expecting for Lexi Hamilton and Paige Sheppard for the illicit drugs?

I didn't know they'd named them. Glad it's out all the same.

 

[Aardvark]

Both got 2 games.

 

[jatz14]

I didn't know they'd named them. Glad it's out all the same.

They got named because they were caught by the police, not the AFL. If it was AFL internal testing, they wouldn't have been named. They wouldn't have even said that players failed a drug test.

That it was done through the police meant it was always going to be public.

 

[Biggie]

Full national draft before the 2025 season

 

[jatz14]

Just a general comment, not directly AFLW related, but indirectly.

Have watched a chunk of the WAFLW grand final, and some of the QLD Vic Country U18 game.

What stands out to me is the improvement in the worst players on the team. What I mean by that is, in years past, they would have very good players in games like these, then a bunch of players that were athletic/fast/hard at it, but not necessarily too skilled or footy savvy, and the last few players were a bit of the pace in terms of footy ability. They tended to have big flaws in their games, fumbly, poor kicks, poor marking etc.

These games still have their stars, like Fish in the WAFLW, and Centra in the U18s, but what is noticeable that all the girls on the park seem to be capable of taking contested overhead marks, working through traffic, finding options, in ways that only some used to be able to not that long ago.

A clear sign to me that the pathways are starting to even out the talent distribution. The best players aren't necessarily better than they were 5 years ago, but I think the bottom half of the list is clearly better than it was.

This, with the national draft coming, opens up options for clubs come draft time.

 

[Cdog71]

Anyone have an idea on the value of a list position a club has in a monetary sense?
Ideally a new recruit becomes a ten year player who gives the club a great return on their investment or can potentially be used as a trade etc.
But what is that investment or in a financial sense what is that list spot worth to a Club?
Sport is a business and Clubs must have some sortve expectation on what a list position is worth to them.

 

[troybe]

There’s a new AFLW discussion show called Talking W on 7mate. It’s on at the obnoxious time of 430pm on Mondays, I only know about it because I just saw a tweet a minute ago about it. It does get repeated on 7plus from 7pm. If they could repeat on 7 at about 10 or 11 pm that would be great.

 

[CURVE]

It will be interesting to see what AFLW do after this Sarah Black article.

Number up: Why we now need larger list sizes in the AFLW

Number up: Why we now need larger list sizes in the AFLW​

The fact that Collingwood was forced to name top-up players in week two of this season is proof we now need larger list sizes in the AFLW, writes Sarah Black
By Sarah Black
Just now

Collingwood players look dejected after a loss in week two, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
AFTER just one game of the 2024 NAB AFLW season, Collingwood was needing top-up players to form a squad of 24 to face Hawthorn.
The Pies lost by 47 points to the Hawks, with Muireann Atkinson (concussion), Lauren Butler (calf), Imogen Evans (hamstring), Kalinda Howarth (ACL), Mikayla Hyde (foot), Annie Lee (knee), Charlotte Taylor (foot) and the suspended Tarni White all sidelined.
With one of the deepest Telstra AFLW Drafts we've seen on the horizon, it's time to extend AFLW lists to 32 over the next two years.

The latest round of expansion teams are now in their third season in the competition, and player movement across the AFLW is stabilising after the introduction of three and four-year contracts.
Currently, each club has 30 active players on its list, and is able to replace those already sidelined for the year during the pre-season period.


Clubs also each have a pool of 10 train-on players drawn from the state leagues (which often includes former AFLW players), who attend one training session a week to help with match simulation drills.
If a team cannot form a playing squad of 24 (inclusive of three emergencies), then a train-on player can be elevated either as an emergency, or as a player in the 21 itself.

Taylor Ortlepp in action during a Carlton training session on August 27, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
While uncommon, it's not a rare scenario. We've seen it happen before. But we've never seen a team needing top-up players as early as week two.
In the midst of its injury crisis last year, the Western Bulldogs drew on four train-ons in rounds eight and nine, only ever naming two in its 21 at a time.
Richmond also leant on two train-on players across rounds five to eight, while Fremantle drafted now-Eagle Mikayla Western in for a match during a COVID outbreak in season six.
Sarah Perkins reignited her AFLW career as a train-on for Melbourne in 2020, ultimately playing three games.

Mikayla Western in action during round two, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
This season will see the advent of mid-week footy, with 11 rounds played in the space of 10 weeks.
It's yet to be confirmed what next season's structure and timing will be, under the direction of new AFL general manager of women's football Emma Moore, but we do know we will have at least 12 rounds of football.


But if mid-week footy is to stay, longer lists will be vital. As it stands now, a player could miss three games through the 12-day concussion protocol, putting further strain on playing stocks.
Increasing playing lists by two per club is an additional 36 players. This doesn't have to be facilitated purely by extra draft picks in a single year, but also through fewer delistings over two.
Reigning premier Brisbane lost nine players in the off-season (excluding retirements). Seven were trade requests for greater opportunity, and their two delistings – Caitlin Wendland and Brooke Sheridan – then found homes at other clubs.

(L-R): Molly Brooksby, Caitlin Wendland and Olivia Levicki are seen after a Port Adelaide win during week two, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
A gradual increase of one additional player per club over the next two years won't break the bank, particularly as we're set to enter the first draft since 2017 that doesn’t feature expansion concessions or state-based selections.
All drafts since 2017 have included either major or minor concessions for expansion clubs as they progressively entered the competition, with the COVID-affected 2020 the most "normal" draft after Richmond and West Coast had to on-trade their bonus first-rounders.
The confirmation of a fully national draft will also open up clubs' access to talent across the whole country.
Top talent has been funnelled to various expansion clubs over the years, who have had extra selections up their sleeves, diluting the pool in both talent and number of players for the remaining clubs.

Expansion pre-signing players pose for a photo at the 2023 AFLW Draft. Picture: AFL Photos
The addition of two extra list spots will also allow for greater development of "project" players. In the men's competition, it's common for rucks and key position players to be tucked away for a few years, working on their craft as they physically grow.
Due to the depth of talent in its squad, Melbourne is a rare AFLW team who has been able to give additional time to the likes of Georgia Campbell, Georgia Gall and injured draftee Jacinta Hose (as well as the returning Denby Taylor) without needing to play them straight away.
Allowing a greater number of footballers time to develop in a professional environment can only better the competition in the long run and will allow teams greater flexibility around selection.
We're not reinventing the wheel, but it's time for another small step forward in the evolution of the competition ahead of its 10th season in 2025.

 

[10571z]

It will be interesting to see what AFLW do after this Sarah Black article.

Number up: Why we now need larger list sizes in the AFLW

Number up: Why we now need larger list sizes in the AFLW​

The fact that Collingwood was forced to name top-up players in week two of this season is proof we now need larger list sizes in the AFLW, writes Sarah Black
By Sarah Black
Just now

Collingwood players look dejected after a loss in week two, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
AFTER just one game of the 2024 NAB AFLW season, Collingwood was needing top-up players to form a squad of 24 to face Hawthorn.
The Pies lost by 47 points to the Hawks, with Muireann Atkinson (concussion), Lauren Butler (calf), Imogen Evans (hamstring), Kalinda Howarth (ACL), Mikayla Hyde (foot), Annie Lee (knee), Charlotte Taylor (foot) and the suspended Tarni White all sidelined.
With one of the deepest Telstra AFLW Drafts we've seen on the horizon, it's time to extend AFLW lists to 32 over the next two years.

The latest round of expansion teams are now in their third season in the competition, and player movement across the AFLW is stabilising after the introduction of three and four-year contracts.
Currently, each club has 30 active players on its list, and is able to replace those already sidelined for the year during the pre-season period.


Clubs also each have a pool of 10 train-on players drawn from the state leagues (which often includes former AFLW players), who attend one training session a week to help with match simulation drills.
If a team cannot form a playing squad of 24 (inclusive of three emergencies), then a train-on player can be elevated either as an emergency, or as a player in the 21 itself.

Taylor Ortlepp in action during a Carlton training session on August 27, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
While uncommon, it's not a rare scenario. We've seen it happen before. But we've never seen a team needing top-up players as early as week two.
In the midst of its injury crisis last year, the Western Bulldogs drew on four train-ons in rounds eight and nine, only ever naming two in its 21 at a time.
Richmond also leant on two train-on players across rounds five to eight, while Fremantle drafted now-Eagle Mikayla Western in for a match during a COVID outbreak in season six.
Sarah Perkins reignited her AFLW career as a train-on for Melbourne in 2020, ultimately playing three games.

Mikayla Western in action during round two, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
This season will see the advent of mid-week footy, with 11 rounds played in the space of 10 weeks.
It's yet to be confirmed what next season's structure and timing will be, under the direction of new AFL general manager of women's football Emma Moore, but we do know we will have at least 12 rounds of football.


But if mid-week footy is to stay, longer lists will be vital. As it stands now, a player could miss three games through the 12-day concussion protocol, putting further strain on playing stocks.
Increasing playing lists by two per club is an additional 36 players. This doesn't have to be facilitated purely by extra draft picks in a single year, but also through fewer delistings over two.
Reigning premier Brisbane lost nine players in the off-season (excluding retirements). Seven were trade requests for greater opportunity, and their two delistings – Caitlin Wendland and Brooke Sheridan – then found homes at other clubs.

(L-R): Molly Brooksby, Caitlin Wendland and Olivia Levicki are seen after a Port Adelaide win during week two, 2024. Picture: AFL Photos
A gradual increase of one additional player per club over the next two years won't break the bank, particularly as we're set to enter the first draft since 2017 that doesn’t feature expansion concessions or state-based selections.
All drafts since 2017 have included either major or minor concessions for expansion clubs as they progressively entered the competition, with the COVID-affected 2020 the most "normal" draft after Richmond and West Coast had to on-trade their bonus first-rounders.
The confirmation of a fully national draft will also open up clubs' access to talent across the whole country.
Top talent has been funnelled to various expansion clubs over the years, who have had extra selections up their sleeves, diluting the pool in both talent and number of players for the remaining clubs.

Expansion pre-signing players pose for a photo at the 2023 AFLW Draft. Picture: AFL Photos
The addition of two extra list spots will also allow for greater development of "project" players. In the men's competition, it's common for rucks and key position players to be tucked away for a few years, working on their craft as they physically grow.
Due to the depth of talent in its squad, Melbourne is a rare AFLW team who has been able to give additional time to the likes of Georgia Campbell, Georgia Gall and injured draftee Jacinta Hose (as well as the returning Denby Taylor) without needing to play them straight away.
Allowing a greater number of footballers time to develop in a professional environment can only better the competition in the long run and will allow teams greater flexibility around selection.
We're not reinventing the wheel, but it's time for another small step forward in the evolution of the competition ahead of its 10th season in 2025.

I mean its just more money. 30 seems about right for 1 side with the option for top up players.

 

[Profop]

Once the lists starting getting to that size then there has to be a discussion about a competition for the players not making the firsts team to keep them match fit for the AFLW season