All Australian thread 2015

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

B Hooker Rance McPharlin
HB Wood McGovern McVeigh
C Gray Pendlebury Shiels
HF Wingard Riewoldt Betts
F Walters Kennedy Bruce
R Naitanui Fyfe Hannebery
INT Gaff Priddis Mitchell Dangerfield

Unlucky: Williams, Hurley, Neale, Ibbotson, Mundy, Cameron, Smith, Gibson, Goldstein, Martin, Cotchin, Steven, Parker, Kennedy, Franklin, Murphy, Boyd

 

[BM123]

B Hooker Rance McPharlin
HB Wood McGovern McVeigh
C Gray Pendlebury Shiels
HF Wingard Riewoldt Betts
F Walters Kennedy Bruce
R Naitanui Fyfe Hannebery
INT Gaff Priddis Mitchell Dangerfield

Unlucky: Williams, Hurley, Neale, Ibbotson, Mundy, Cameron, Smith, Gibson, Goldstein, Martin, Cotchin, Steven, Parker, Kennedy, Franklin, Murphy, Boyd

Armitage?

 

[Wild Bill]

B Hooker Rance McPharlin
HB Wood McGovern McVeigh
C Gray Pendlebury Shiels
HF Wingard Riewoldt Betts
F Walters Kennedy Bruce
R Naitanui Fyfe Hannebery
INT Gaff Priddis Mitchell Dangerfield

Unlucky: Williams, Hurley, Neale, Ibbotson, Mundy, Cameron, Smith, Gibson, Goldstein, Martin, Cotchin, Steven, Parker, Kennedy, Franklin, Murphy, Boyd

No way Nic nat has been better over the entire year than Sandi and Goldy. Sandi didn't even make your unlucky list!!

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Armitage?

My bad, forgot about armitage, definitely holds a claim to a best 22 though.

No way Nic nat has been better over the entire year than Sandi and Goldy. Sandi didn't even make your unlucky list!!

Yeah nah sorry but getting a billion hitouts doesn't make sandilands or goldstein a better ruckman than naitanui, Naitanui wins a higher % of taps, he produces a significantly higher taps to advantage % than either, he kicks far more goals than either of them. There's a reason he's ranked 3rd overall this year in champion data player ratings behind only fyfe and pendlebury, no other ruckman is as versatile.

I didn't put sandy in as unlucky because there was already another ruckman (goldstein), who i thought was more deserving, but it's close between the 2 of them.

 

[go you pups]

If only Nic Nat could average like 3-4-5 marks a game, he'd be unstoppable being able to do it in the air and at ground level.

 

[Shinboner '07]

My bad, forgot about armitage, definitely holds a claim to a best 22 though.


Yeah nah sorry but getting a billion hitouts doesn't make sandilands or goldstein a better ruckman than naitanui, Naitanui wins a higher % of taps, he produces a significantly higher taps to advantage % than either, he kicks far more goals than either of them. There's a reason he's ranked 3rd overall this year in champion data player ratings behind only fyfe and pendlebury, no other ruckman is as versatile.

I didn't put sandy in as unlucky because there was already another ruckman (goldstein), who i thought was more deserving, but it's close between the 2 of them.

Yeah nah sorry but Goldy has the ruck spot locked in already.

 

[Halftimehero]

Hurley consolidating his spot today

 

[Back One Out]

Hurley consolidating his spot today

Yep.

After a six week flat patch, Hurley took a 20yo kid with 11 games experience to the cleaners today.

Lock.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Yep.

After a six week flat patch, he took a 19yo kid to the cleaners today.

Lock.

The same 19 year old kid who destroyed Rance...

 

[Halftimehero]

Yep.

After a six week flat patch, Hurley took a 20yo kid with 11 games experience to the cleaners today.

Lock.

You wouldn't have him in the team?

 

[Righteo]

Yeah nah sorry but Goldy has the ruck spot locked in already.

No, he doesn't.

 

[Back One Out]

A 19 year old kid who destroyed Rance...

Jesse Hogan didn't destroy Rance. The commentators hyped him up fierce in that game because he was a kid playing his 4th game of footy up against the best man-on-man defender in the comp. He did a few good things that night. Great play from the kid and not much more Rance could've done about it.

Hogan:
Rnd 4 v Rich - 13 disposals, 6 marks (3 contested), Kicked 2.1
Rnd 14 v Ess - 13 disposals, 6 marks (3 contested), Kicked 1.0


Rance has been dominating his opponents most weeks and conceding about 2 goals a game.
Hurley has been good, but has been conceding 3 or 4 every week

 

[Halftimehero]

Jesse Hogan didn't destroy Rance. The commentators hyped him up fierce in that game because he was a kid playing his 4th game of footy up against the best man-on-man defender in the comp. He did a few good things that night. Great play from the kid and not much more Rance could've done about it.

Hogan:
Rnd 4 v Rich - 13 disposals, 6 marks (3 contested), Kicked 2.1
Rnd 14 v Ess - 13 disposals, 6 marks (3 contested), Kicked 1.0


Rance has been dominating his opponents most weeks and conceding about 2 goals a game.
Hurley has been good, but has been conceding 3 or 4 every week

Name the 14 players who have kicked 3 or 4 on Hurley this year

 

[eth-dog]

Jesse Hogan didn't destroy Rance. The commentators hyped him up fierce in that game because he was a kid playing his 4th game of footy up against the best man-on-man defender in the comp. He did a few good things that night. Great play from the kid and not much more Rance could've done about it.

Hogan:
Rnd 4 v Rich - 13 disposals, 6 marks (3 contested), Kicked 2.1
Rnd 14 v Ess - 13 disposals, 6 marks (3 contested), Kicked 1.0


Rance has been dominating his opponents most weeks and conceding about 2 goals a game.
Hurley has been good, but has been conceding 3 or 4 every week

So by every week, you mean twice out of 14 games?

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Yeah nah sorry but Goldy has the ruck spot locked in already.

Why does he have it though? Because he got 70 taps against some no name rookie? Naitanui is the best tap ruckman in the game, he kicks more goals than any ruckman in the game. In current form, Naitanui is more deserving than goldstein.

 

[Engimal]

Yeah nah sorry but getting a billion hitouts doesn't make sandilands or goldstein a better ruckman than naitanui, Naitanui wins a higher % of taps, he produces a significantly higher taps to advantage % than either, he kicks far more goals than either of them. There's a reason he's ranked 3rd overall this year in champion data player ratings behind only fyfe and pendlebury, no other ruckman is as versatile.

I didn't put sandy in as unlucky because there was already another ruckman (goldstein), who i thought was more deserving, but it's close between the 2 of them.

Naitanui produces a significantly higher taps to advantage percentage does he? No. He produces 2% more, while averaging less disposals, marks, tackles and significantly less hitouts, not to mention having a disposal efficiency of 63% compared to Goldsteins' 73% and the fact that Goldstein actually holds the all-time record for both hitouts and hitouts to advantage in a game.

Nice try on dusting off that "Naitanui is sooooo much more efficient in the ruck" chestnut though.

 

[clivenator26]

My bad, forgot about armitage, definitely holds a claim to a best 22 though.


Yeah nah sorry but getting a billion hitouts doesn't make sandilands or goldstein a better ruckman than naitanui, Naitanui wins a higher % of taps, he produces a significantly higher taps to advantage % than either, he kicks far more goals than either of them. There's a reason he's ranked 3rd overall this year in champion data player ratings behind only fyfe and pendlebury, no other ruckman is as versatile.

I didn't put sandy in as unlucky because there was already another ruckman (goldstein), who i thought was more deserving, but it's close between the 2 of them.

I think you mean the AFL Player Rater which had Josh Hill in their team of the year a couple of weeks ago so obviously is a flawed system.

If you're talking champion data Goldy avgs 119 to NicNat 101. I think NicNat is 3rd behind Goldy & 211, but definitely in the mix.

 

[juss]

The same 19 year old kid who destroyed Rance...

Took two contested marks and kicked 2 goals on him, which was made a big deal of because Rance almost never gets outmarked. Destroyed is a laughable term.

 

[eth-dog]

Took two contested marks and kicked 2 goals on him, which was made a big deal of because Rance almost never gets outmarked. Destroyed is a laughable term.

3 contested marks, 2 goals, 4 marks inside 50 and 2 GA. That's an excellent game.

 

[juss]

3 contested marks, 2 goals, 4 marks inside 50 and 2 GA. That's an excellent game.

Hes a huge talent dont get me wrong. But his game is talked up because he was young and Rance is not often beaten in a contest. The idea that he absolutely killed him is rubbish, he was good and he won the battle though.

 

[eth-dog]

Hes a huge talent dont get me wrong. But his game is talked up because he was young and Rance is not often beaten in a contest. The idea that he absolutely killed him is rubbish, he was good and he won the battle though.

It isn't because when you have those sorts of stats on a wet day as a KPF you've clearly had the better of your opponent.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

The same 19 year old kid who destroyed Rance...

2 goals = destroyed?

 

[eth-dog]

2 goals = destroyed?

2 goals, 3 contested marks, 4 marks inside 50, 2 goal assists and 4 coaches votes.

 

[iBeng]

2 goals = destroyed?

I think the scale goes:

0 Goals = Rekt
1 Goal = Thrashed
2 Goals = Destroyed
3 Goals = Tempered
4 Goals = Bothered
5 Goals = Ignored
6+ Goals = Reverse Rekt

 

[eaglespremiers]

Naitanui produces a significantly higher taps to advantage percentage does he? No. He produces 2% more, while averaging less disposals, marks, tackles and significantly less hitouts, not to mention having a disposal efficiency of 63% compared to Goldsteins' 73% and the fact that Goldstein actually holds the all-time record for both hitouts and hitouts to advantage in a game.

Nice try on dusting off that "Naitanui is sooooo much more efficient in the ruck" chestnut though.
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That graph and your comment make no sense to me.
Regardless, like every other stat not all HOs to advantage are equal.