All Australian thread 2015

[eth-dog]

Picking 2 ruckmen is unrealistic to what a team would pick, 3 is going too far it's the best side not best 22 players.

Not really. The top 4 sides pick 2 genuine rucks when everybody is fit (yes, counting Tippett and Sinclair, both average close to 20 hitouts).

 

[fidstar]

Dunstall kicked 123 goals from 21 games in 1993 (inc, 6 in the Elimination Final.) He won his 4th best and fairest for Hawthorn and went within 2 votes of winning the Brownlow. He missed All-Australian selection. The selectors thought he was the third best full forward that year.

In the end, the All-Australian team is just the opinion of 6 or 7 people… A lot of deserving players miss out every season. We probably shouldn't place too much importance on Luke Darcy or Mark Ricciuto's favourite players. It should never be used as "proof" why Player X is better than Player Y in arguments at the pub or here on Big Footy.


1993 Coleman Medal (to Round 22)
124_Gary Ablett - 2nd in Geelong's best and fairest
119_Tony Modra
117_Jason Dunstall - won Hawthorn's best and fairest
75__John Longmire
73__Saverio Rocca
72__Peter Sumich


1993 Brownlow Medal
18 Gavin Wanganeen
17 Garry Hocking, Greg Williams
16 Jason Dunstall, Wayne Carey
14 Nathan Buckley, Wayne Schwass, Leon Cameron
13 Gary Ablett, Matthew Knights
12 Robert Harvey, Damian Monkhorst, Jim Stynes, Scott Wynd
11 Tony Modra, Tony McGuinness, Shaun Rehn, Ben Allan, Paul Kelly


1993 All Australian team
B:__Ben Hart (Adel)______Alastair Lynch (Fitz)_._Gavin Wanganeen (Ess)
HB:_Guy McKenna (WCE)__Mark Harvey (Ess)__._Andrew McKay (Carl)
C:__Greg Anderson (Adel)_Greg Williams (Carl)__Peter Matera (WCE)
HF:_Craig Bradley (Carl)__Wayne Carey c (NM)__Garry Lyon (Melb)
F:__Garry Hocking (Geel)._Gary Ablett (Geel)__...Tony Modra (Adel)
R:__Jim Stynes (Melb)____Ben Allan (Haw)___.__Tony McGuinness (Adel)
Int: Nigel Smart (Adel)____Nathan Burke (St K)

I know you have gone to a lot of work here, but you realize it's not 1993 anymore. Kicking 100 goals is infinitely harder now.

Back then there was also only 2 interchange spots. We now have 4. You don't think Dunstall might have got a gig if there was 2 more spots on the bench? Positions on the field should be for the best in a particular position, but the bench spots should be for the 4 next best players.

 

[eth-dog]

FWIW, I think it's unrealistic to select 3 tall forwards and 2 rucks, it's 2 KPF's and 2 rucks or 3 KPF's and 1 ruck.

 

[Damon_3388]

1993 All Australian team
B:__Ben Hart (Adel)______Alastair Lynch (Fitz)_._Gavin Wanganeen (Ess)
HB:_Guy McKenna (WCE)__Mark Harvey (Ess)__._Andrew McKay (Carl)
C:__Greg Anderson (Adel)_Greg Williams (Carl)__Peter Matera (WCE)
HF:_Craig Bradley (Carl)__Wayne Carey c (NM)__Garry Lyon (Melb)
F:__Garry Hocking (Geel)._Gary Ablett (Geel)__...Tony Modra (Adel)
R:__Jim Stynes (Melb)____Ben Allan (Haw)___.__Tony McGuinness (Adel)
Int: Nigel Smart (Adel)____Nathan Burke (St K)

Lol at Alastair Lynch kicking 68 goals from Full Forward, and getting named at Full Back.

 

[NinjaSwan]

Not really. The top 4 sides pick 2 genuine rucks when everybody is fit (yes, counting Tippett and Sinclair, both average close to 20 hitouts).

Yep although a lot of those rucks are more ruck/forwards.
Although Naitanui spends a fair amount of time forward as well. More meant that if a AA team was picked to play a match they wouldn't go with 2 No. 1 rucks. Or if they did they would only go for 2
KPFs.

 

[Richo83]

Picking 2 ruckmen is unrealistic to what a team would pick, 3 is going too far it's the best side not best 22 players.

So is assembling a team of the best players in the league who have never played with each other and assume that that's the best team.

For me, the point of the AA team is to acknowledge excellence in the respective positions. So unlike the Coleman and the Brownlow, this award actually acknowledges defenders. But what's the interchange position?

And plus, we're assuming this team would never work, what team would be able to beat a side with Goldstein, Naitanui and Sandilands in it?

I just think the AA has weird rules. They can stick an inside midfielder like Marc Murphy or Kieran Jack in a back flank or forward position even though they've never played there but they can't actually pick the best players in the league to fill out the bench.

 

[Back One Out]

Lol at Alastair Lynch kicking 68 goals from Full Forward, and getting named at Full Back.

The selectors were out of control back in the early days. One of my favourite selections ever was Paul Roos named at full back (and captain) in 1992 despite him not going anywhere near full back or picking up an opponent all year. He played loose across half back and centre (like Chad Cornes) and racked up a career best 539 possessions.

 

[NinjaSwan]

So is assembling a team of the best players in the league who have never played with each other and assume that that's the best team.

For me, the point of the AA team is to acknowledge excellence in the respective positions. So unlike the Coleman and the Brownlow, this award actually acknowledges defenders. But what's the interchange position?

And plus, we're assuming this team would never work, what team would be able to beat a side with Goldstein, Naitanui and Sandilands in it?

I just think the AA has weird rules. They can stick an inside midfielder like Marc Murphy or Kieran Jack in a back flank or forward position even though they've never played there but they can't actually pick the best players in the league to fill out the bench.

I agree with you that the AA team is to acknowledge excellence in different positions. This is because it is assembled as a side and not just a list of best players and IMO the bench should also be picked as if it is a real side which would mean no more than 2 ruckmen. Also Kieren Jack does spend time in the forward line and averaged 1 goal a game the year he was picked there. Most sides have at least one resting mid in the forward line anyway, so I agree with picking a mid on the HFF.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The selectors were out of control back in the early days.

Ben Hart was picked twice, soon after his 18th and 19th birthdays. The second time he finished outside the top 10 in Adelaide's b&f.

Very good player, but it wouldn't happen now.

 

[Back One Out]

Ben Hart was picked twice, soon after his 18th and 19th birthdays. The second time he finished outside the top 10 in Adelaide's b&f.

Very good player, but it wouldn't happen now.

And South Australians always moan about the inherent Victorian bias of the selectors

I reckon Ben Hart probably owes Knuckles Kerley a few beers

 

[BusinessMan]

Seriously you are clueless, Priddis is easily having the best season of his career.
Most of us eagles fans that don't like Priddis have eaten humble pie this year, as he has been superb.
He is doing everything better, his ability to deliver the ball to our forwards with silver service this year has been remarkable.
His kicking all year has been so much better.

Sure he's been better, but I don't think he's better than the likes of Gray and Mundy. Baffling it is.

 

[BusinessMan]

Priddis is a shoe in after missing the team last year. And to answer your question, yes

He didn't deserve to get in the team last year though?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Picking 2 ruckmen is unrealistic to what a team would pick, 3 is going too far it's the best side not best 22 players.

But they'll happily load the flanks with midfielders. I think the four bench spots should go to the four best players not in the 18, regardless of position.

 

[NinjaSwan]

But they'll happily load the flanks with midfielders. I think the four bench spots should go to the four best players not in the 18, regardless of position.

Most AFL sides do play a resting mid in the forward line though, the mids who are being considered for a HFF spot like Danger, Gray and Dusty all spend time forward. Personally I think if the 18 is picked like a real side so should the bench.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Most AFL sides do play a resting mid in the forward line though, the mids who are being considered for a HFF spot like Danger, Gray and Dusty all spend time forward. Personally I think if the 18 is picked like a real side so should the bench.

So an AA sub?

 

[NinjaSwan]

So an AA sub?

Well no, because they don't pick a sub just 4 interchange players.

 

[Eagle got a win]

Sure he's been better, but I don't think he's better than the likes of Gray and Mundy. Baffling it is.

have you watched any footy this year bar your own team or are you going off the highs of 2014.
Priddis this year shits all over Gray and Mundy who have both dropped off a lot from 2014.

Stop living in the past and come back to Today.
It is 2015 if you haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Smokeless Wardance]

Sure he's been better, but I don't think he's better than the likes of Gray and Mundy. Baffling it is.

Behave. Priddis has been amazing this year. Easily in the starting 18.

 

[Eagle got a win]

Don't get me wrong Greys been good and if Port were better he'd be right up there. has suffered from Ports under performing season this year compared to last.

But this is All Australian. It's about this year and this year only.
Grey doesn't make it either does Mundy.

 

[Chopperdave]

have you watched any footy this year bar your own team or are you going off the highs of 2014.
Priddis this year shits all over Gray and Mundy who have both dropped off a lot from 2014.

Stop living in the past and come back to Today.
It is 2015 if you haven't figured it out yet.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1773&tid2=19&pid2=1696&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S


Yes Priddis shits all over Gray. I didn't realise how much he shits all over him. Those 5 extra handballs completely shit all over him.

 

[DangerSloane]

And Naitanui Merv

Goldstein will receive every single vote.

 

[DangerSloane]

have you watched any footy this year bar your own team or are you going off the highs of 2014.
Priddis this year shits all over Gray and Mundy who have both dropped off a lot from 2014.

Stop living in the past and come back to Today.
It is 2015 if you haven't figured it out yet.

Mundy dropped off from 2014? Are you actually joking?

You have NFI.

 

[Eagle got a win]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1773&tid2=19&pid2=1696&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S


Yes Priddis shits all over Gray. I didn't realise how much he shits all over him. Those 5 extra handballs completely shit all over him.

How about all the contested inside ball for a start. I'm talking about this year. Gray really hasn't set the world on fire. Port is to blame for that.
This is an All Australian Thread in regards to this year. Check the thread title buddy. my comment is in regards to this thread and All Australian 2015. Not as player ability. Grays a great player and is more skilled the Priddis no doubting that. Don't confuse what I was referring too.

 

[Chopperdave]

How about all the contested inside ball for a start. I'm talking about this year. Gray really hasn't set the world on fire. Port is to blame for that.
This is an All Australian Thread in regards to this year. Check the thread title buddy. my comment is in regards to this thread and All Australian 2015. Not as player ability. Grays a great player and is more skilled the Priddis no doubting that. Don't confuse what I was referring too.

Priddis averages .9 extra contested possessions. Gray averages .5 more clearances. Plus 5% better disposal efficiency and an extra goal.

Port may not have set the world on fire but that does not mean that Gray hasn't had an outstanding season. In 2015 Gray has been just as good if not better than Priddis. Ports results have no bearing on this.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Don't get me wrong Greys been good and if Port were better he'd be right up there. has suffered from Ports under performing season this year compared to last.

But this is All Australian. It's about this year and this year only.
Grey doesn't make it either does Mundy.

Why would it matter if Port were better? Gray has been far more of a midfielder this year than last, averaging more disposals, contested possessions, clearances, tackles, inside 50s than last year. The only midfielders (although they average less possessions than Gray and spend more time forward) that are ahead of him in goals kicked are Motlop and Deledio.

And why wouldn't Mundy make the team?

Edit: Realised I missed a bit of conversation and these points have already been raised.