List Mgmt. All Trades and Draft Part 2- Draft edition

[Bestbird]

Vozzo also confirmed last year the asking price was this years 1st plus last year's 21 and 22

So waited a year for for pretty much

21 22 vs around 16 26 40 if taking into account the 3rd round swaps

 

[kerrazy]

Not sure my wife would agree with sentiment

That's okay. I'm not really a girl. It's just that post got me all giddy!

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Why the f*** would we want Dougal Howard?

If we had picks we could have helped saint and upgraded our picks .

They would lose bruce and gain howard .

Hill + 26 for 6

26 + ? For jones

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Lol Kane Cornes also asking Vozzo if out of contract ruckman Tom Hickey will be getting another deal.

“No he’s actually got a few years to run, Kane.”

Rekt.

 

[shooshka]

Can someone tell me if we have an academy?
Is there any chance we will get a top draft prospect through an academy in the near future

Further to the Cameron comment above, we have 15 or so Academy players available to us this year in the draft.

The problem is that at least half haven't even played WAFL Colts level, and none of the ones who have are projected high picks from my understanding.

One or two 'may' be draftable, but from my (little) understanding they would all be long shots of making it. Happy to be corrected if anyone is itk and has more info than me!

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[Eastern Rangers]

Stay at the beags

Not the worst thing given our picks and our midfield depth more broadly. Kelly and Sneeze went through the South Fremantle Colts program together, maybe Kelly can rub off on Ah Che and help him reach his potential.

 

[Forward Press]

If we had picks we could have helped saint and upgraded our picks .

They would lose bruce and gain howard .

Hill + 26 for 6

26 + ? For jones

The Saints have no picks between 6 and 59. They need to acquire more picks to try and get all four of the players that nominated them, I don't see what the Saints can offer that would result in us actually giving them usable picks (if you assume the Kelly trade hadn't gone through yet).

 

[sey666]

Vozzo with draft picks

 

[Coasters7]

The Saints have no picks between 6 and 59. They need to acquire more picks to try and get all four of the players that nominated them, I don't see what the Saints can offer that would result in us actually giving them usable picks (if you assume the Kelly trade hadn't gone through yet).

Using the Adelaide/GWS deal as a reference. Perhaps 14, 24, 2020 first for pick 6? Could have then bargained with Geelong and bluffed the draft threat to get their second rounder back effectively making it 2 straight firsts for Kelly and a huge win for us. Think we felt obliged to just get it done after the shenanigans last year (none of which were our fault), and didn’t want to play games.

 

[fomoco04]

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Is that image a real thing?

If so Jesus H Christ

 

[Forward Press]

Using the Adelaide/GWS deal as a reference. Perhaps 14, 24, 2020 first for pick 6? Could have then bargained with Geelong and bluffed the draft threat to get their second rounder back effectively making it 2 straight firsts for Kelly and a huge win for us. Think we felt obliged to just get it done after the shenanigans last year (none of which were our fault), and didn’t want to play games.

Freo ain't going to settle for 14 or a future 1st for Hill. But I guess those three picks St Kilda might consider in a trade just so they have ammo for Ryder et al, so fair enough.

All academic anyway.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Duggan, Vardy, Cole and Nelson are the only tradeable players for mine.

I'm guessing that Simmo is talking about pick swaps rather than players though

Vardy is worth nothing

Cole is the expandable one. The other two, not keen to let go.

 

[shooshka]

Not the worst thing given our picks and our midfield depth more broadly. Kelly and Sneeze went through the South Fremantle Colts program together, maybe Kelly can rub off on Ah Che and help him reach his potential.

So I'm wondering if our recruitment team are eyeing off one or more of the top up beagles (including Brady Grey and anyone else not AFL listed).

Not necessarily a reason to give away all of our picks, but maybe why they aren't as concerned about it as the player/s they want will still be there regardless.



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[Eastern Rangers]

Further to the Cameron comment above, we have 15 or so Academy players available to us this year in the draft.

The problem is that at least half haven't even played WAFL Colts level, and none of the ones who have are projected high picks from my understanding.

One or two 'may' be draftable, but from my (little) understanding they would all be long shots of making it. Happy to be corrected if anyone is itk and has more info than me!

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Jermarl Daly is probably the pick of the bunch and was in the state academy. Him and Deng are both not without a shot at the rookie list.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Duggan, Vardy, Cole and Nelson are the only tradeable players for mine.

I'm guessing that Simmo is talking about pick swaps rather than players though

More specifically live trading some of those 2020 picks for 2019 picks.

 

[shooshka]

More specifically live trading some of those 2020 picks for 2019 picks.

We can only trade 1 x 3rd round (in light of trading out our 1st round already).

Not sure how much value it has, might get us to 42-45 but we would really need to want a certain player to do that.

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[Max zero]

Is that image a real thing?

If so Jesus H Christ

"The name is Warrior, Keyboard Warrior."

Spindly arms are spindly.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

We can only trade 1 x 3rd round (in light of trading out our 1st round already).

Not sure how much value it has, might get us to 42-45 but we would really need to want a certain player to do that.

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For a specific player who falls to the third round in the 2019 draft, it would make sense. Particularly if another club needs points for 2020.

 

[kerrazy]

I have a favour to ask fellow west coast bigfootians:

1. What will pick 14, 24 and 33 become after nga and father sons?

2. What will our future first be roughly next year if we finish 1st to 4th after nga and father sons?

3. What will pick 52 be after nga and father sons?

4. What would the total points be once this has been taken into consideration?

 

[Shadow89]

Thank you for the respectful post, and you're by far the best Geelong supporter on the website. I really do mean that, a lot of your fellow fans have been massive campaigners.

That being said, I think you might be somewhat missing the point of what I'm getting at. I wasn't saying that Kelly was annoyed with you to support what I was saying, but that it isn't as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Posts on Instagram and newspaper columns aren't the pure, unfiltered opinion of Tim, as you seem to be getting at - it really is a guess for everyone looking in from outside.

My main aggrievance with your club is that it acted in a way that was morally reprehensible. This isn't something I just fling onto things I dislike; based on the what Geelong did in 2018, those actions were far worse than you might realise. Perhaps I'm just biased, but I don't use those terms without a strong reason behind it. What your club did can't really be brushed aside.

Shortly after he was drafted, Tim Kelly's children were diagnosed with autism. That was why he said it was fine to go interstate beforehand, and why he requested a trade in the first year of his contract. It is far removed from any similar case precisely for this reason - it isn't simply a player wanting out selfishly, but he needed to get home due to extraordinary circumstances outside of his control. The gravity of this situation cannot be understated; he truly needed the support network in Perth, and Geelong could (unfortunately) never provide the sort of help needed, because this required his entire family. A situation of this gravity is extremely rare in the AFL, and I'm pretty certain something like this hasn't happened before.

However, there is also another consideration to be made here; the environment in which he would work. Given the Kelly's would not entertain a trade to Freo under any circumstances, there must be a genuine reason as to why this is so - he would've gotten home for certain last year, yet he chose to play out his contract. It wasn't a case of picking the best option, as you might think; Fremantle had something that wouldn't allow the Kelly's to step foot there. We can never actually know, but, given the circumstances, I think it's fair to say it was genuine.

As such, to say his reasoning becomes void because he wouldn't entertain Freo isn't fair. He desperately needed to come home, but he would not (under any circumstances) go to Freo, so surely there must be an actual reason behind that. It wasn't simply a case of choosing who he wanted.

Anyway, the situation was extraordinary in the context of others seen in the AFL. It isn't comparable to others because of the circumstances. Thus, that is what makes your club's actions so grave.

Seeing all of these things, Geelong decided to take a route that was, contrary to what you believe, remarkably selfish. The diagnosis after he was drafted changed everything, yet your club chose to not empathise with him; when he asked to come home, your club questioned his motivations as if he were in the wrong; when he wouldn't go to Fremantle for (most likely) genuine reasons, your club chose to take that as confirmation of his malicious intent. They didn't act in his best interest, but your best interest.

You lost far more by letting him go; a star player on rookie wages is a dream come true for any list manager. It wasn't simply a case of "seeing out his contract" or something reasonable like that - he needed the support only family could provide. Nominating a club didn't automatically make his situation void, as your club seemed to think. It wasn't the same as Nathan Buckley breaking his contract, precisely due to the fact Kelly had children that had been diagnosed with autism. This is the thing you seem to be overlooking.

It's a testament to the character of Kelly with how he approached 2019, but things were made even harder for him on the home front (his wife, I mean) by being away every second week. Kelly did fall in love with your club, as I'm sure every AFL player has when they get drafted - that doesn't mean your club's actions were any less severe.

Your club acting selfishly, and I'm not sure how it can be looked at in any other way. It looked for reasons to discount Tim's ability get home; rather than coming to understand him, you took a cynical view and kept him anyway. Geelong's actions would be morally reprehensible in normal society, so I'm not sure why it should be any different here. Clubs shouldn't be allowed to do these sort of things with it just being brushed off - that's why I feel so strongly about it. This thing shouldn't be acceptable within the industry of the AFL.

Sorry for the long post, but I hope you can understand why I think Geelong, in 2018, acted in bad faith.

Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it We're not all bad, but there definitely has been some bad eggs on both sides. I've even had my moments.

As I said, we definitely have opposing opinions on this, and I respectfully disagree. I understand why you feel that way, but it's definitely something that we're at an impasse on.

The only thing I will just add a little correction on, is that only 1 child was diagnosed with autism, at the time of the 2018 trade period (not children plural).

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and move on. The main thing is, is that whatever the past, both clubs acted in good faith this year, and Kelly is now home and everyone is happy (to a degree). That's what matters

Very excited to see how he goes with an actual decent ruckman tapping it down to him in 2020.

 

[bl4ke]

Imagine being a recruiter and spending hundreds of hours watching certain players from the NT develop over the years, just for the AFL to come out a few months before the draft and say they are now tied to Gold Coast. That would pee me right off.

 

[larrikin]

Lol Kane Cornes also asking Vozzo if out of contract ruckman Tom Hickey will be getting another deal.

“No he’s actually got a few years to run, Kane.”

Rekt.

I love how matter of fact our guys are.

 

[Seadog]

Jermarl Daly is probably the pick of the bunch and was in the state academy. Him and Deng are both not without a shot at the rookie list.

I was just about to ask about Daly, was working with a kid in Headland who is a mate of his.
Started with a bang and kicked six in one of his first colt games if not the first, not sure how the rest of the season panned out for him. Another one struggling a bit with homesickness according to his mate.

 

[TOA.]

The Adelaide and GWS deal for pick 4 is interesting.. that’s pretty close to the hand we had. 12, 18 and 2020 first for pick 4. We had 14, 24 and 2020 first. If we got in early a couple of late pick swaps would have got that done. Just wonder whether we did actually explore all options or if we were just consigned to the fact that we were going to give Geelong what they wanted from the outset. Had all week to try and grab a top 5 pick for leverage.

But if we did that deal we would either trade it to the Cats or use it to draft Kelly so dont know how we would be better off?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

More specifically live trading some of those 2020 picks for 2019 picks.

We have 1 future 3rd we can trade