Society/Culture Andrew Thorburn - Controversial appointment as Essendon CEO. Broader discussion not for the AFL board..

[Theseventhhamster]

not exactly. There is a difference between Pentecostalism and the prosperity gospel as seen with churches like hillsong

Look I'm totally sure it's possible there's one non-campaignery pentecostal church out there, but it's infinitely more likely that you're just far too deep in the cult to see what's in front of you.

 

[mxett]

From the outside, they all look very similar.

I assure you that they are not. Churches like hillsong get most of the attention but are not the norm

 

[mxett]

Look I'm totally sure it's possible there's one non-campaignery pentecostal church out there, but it's infinitely more likely that you're just far too deep in the cult to see what's in front of you.

the thing that stands out with hillsong is the focus on money and success. This is a relatively new focus of a few church models

 

[Theseventhhamster]

the thing that stands out with hillsong is the focus on money and success. This is a relatively new focus of a few church models

I'm speaking from personal experience with Pentecostal churches, just like The Cryptkeeper. Nothing to do with that Sydney church of which I've only heard about indirectly.

 

[mxett]

I'm speaking from personal experience with Pentecostal churches, just like The Cryptkeeper. Nothing to do with that Sydney church of which I've only heard about indirectly.

a church or a number of them?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I assure you that they are not. Churches like hillsong get most of the attention but are not the norm

Same book, same God.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

a church or a number of them?

Is this the long road to my eventual confession and your vindication to me having not been involved with every single Pentecostal church? Like I said, it's possible there's an outlier one out there that went down the campaignery Pentecostal path but somehow managed to not be like all the others but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[mxett]

Same book, same God.

you think a traditional anglican church is the same as a pentecostal church?

 

[mxett]

Is this the long road to my eventual confession and your vindication to me having not been involved with every single Pentecostal church? Like I said, it's possible there's an outlier one out there that went down the campaignery Pentecostal path but somehow managed to not be like all the others but I'll believe it when I see it.

it wasnt a difficult question. Have you experienced a number of different chrismatic church types, or just 1?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

you think a traditional anglican church is the same as a pentecostal church?

If Christian God is real, then all the christian churches are under his control.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

it wasnt a difficult question. Have you experienced a number of different chrismatic church types, or just 1?

Several Pentecostal churches but not every single one of them. Like I said, campaigner factories. God for sociopaths and other nasty w***ers.

 

[mxett]

Several Pentecostal churches but not every single one of them. Like I said, campaigner factories. God for sociopaths and other nasty w***ers.

theres more than a several types of pentecostal churches let alone all their churches

 

[carltonchelsea]

why has discussion turned into a christian bashing session?

I haven’t bashed you, you brought up this “god” of yours and I wanted to know 3 of its characteristics.
If you invoke it, I will question it.

“They’re asking questions, I’m persecuted…..”

 

[noclashjumpers]

I’ll admit to not pouring over the 20+ pages, but….

Isn’t this essentially (in part) what the Christian right campaigned for during Scomo’s religious discrimination act... the right to hire and fire based on personal preference and/or belief?

Essendon simply acted in line with the same principled stance that a private school would've taken when dismissing a gay teacher. A stance, in that instance, presumably Andrew Thorburn would have supported.

 

[mxett]

I haven’t bashed you, you brought up this “god” of yours and I wanted to know 3 of its characteristics.
If you invoke it, I will question it.

“They’re asking questions, I’m persecuted…..”

Im fine with questions. Cant see how yours relates to the topic though

 

[Carringbush2010]

It was written in the context of life at the time. This is not a practice followed within the larger church now.

Nor is it a reflection on superiority or inferiority. It related to family structures at the time written

Which is clearly antiquated.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Im fine with questions. Cant see how yours relates to the topic though

You said “god believes”, I have a plethora of questions based on that statement, I thought I’d break it down into one small facet of belief versus physics and reality.
It’s very relevant to the conversation, I don’t care what is written in the bible or the Torah/Pentateuch, god had no part in their creation, men wrote those books, human men, I care about what’s real, so name 3 characteristics that this god of yours exhibits?

 

[Evolved1]

Both are bad. One has no control over the organisation. The other is at the top of it.

Do you understand?

One has demonstrated through action they believe homosexuals to be inferior while the other hasn't afaik.

Is there any reason to think Thorburn's beliefs would interfere with his ability to perform his duties as CEO?
We have every reason to know Zreika's beliefs interfere with her ability to perform her duties as a professional football player, as she has repeatedly demonstrated.

I have zero sympathy for either person or their antiquated views though I can't see how anyone can objectively say Thorburn's actions are worse.

If someone doesn't agree with the values of their employer, they should look for other employment.

 

[Carringbush2010]

That's your definition of the language used - of course when people say they are "inclusive" they don't mean they will include everyone even people with abhorrent views or acts. They're not going to include child abusers for example are they? It's the conventional use of the word term, inclusion of people who do not preach inflicting harm on others or limiting the rights/freedoms of others.

Of course not, that is captain obvious statement, except to the >idiots< who are actually part of the 'everyone' who may misunderstand / misuse what groups mean when they say 'inclusive of everyone'

Again, another captain obvious statement except to the >idiots< who are actually part of the 'everyone' who may misunderstand / misuse what groups mean when they say 'inclusive of everyone'

I looked up the dictionary term, so it's not my definition.

Do you understand now? It can be misused purely because the language is contradictory.

 

[madmug]

using the US as an example

No, you did. check post #586.

 

[Carringbush2010]

At least our society is sane and sensible enough to realise these kinda beliefs should not fly, if it's the US then yeehaaawww the guy will be out loud and proud with his bullshit and "ma freeedom of speeech" s**t

He's already freely spoken his thoughts and rightly got whacked.

 

[Shinjitsu]

Saying that a large group of humans are going to burn in hell because of the way that they were born is promoting hate.

But if you read some of the things atheists say about God to the religious then an atheist homosexual would just laugh at anyone mentioning Hell wouldn’t they? If a religious homosexual doesn’t like what some faith teaches about his lifestyle then he can do a Thorburn and choose between his faith and lifestyle.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

From the outside, they all look very similar.

The key word is look.

They arent.

 

[Gough]

One has demonstrated through action they believe homosexuals to be inferior while the other hasn't afaik.

Is there any reason to think Thorburn's beliefs would interfere with his ability to perform his duties as CEO?
We have every reason to know Zreika's beliefs interfere with her ability to perform her duties as a professional football player, as she has repeatedly demonstrated.

I have zero sympathy for either person or their antiquated views though I can't see how anyone can objectively say Thorburn's actions are worse.

If someone doesn't agree with the values of their employer, they should look for other employment.

Money that's the difference. Thorburn stays at Essendon members and sponsors walk and they lose a ton of money, one player from GWS women's team boycotting the Pride isn't going to have the same effect. That why these Christians and right wingers are all up in arms, it's just another demonstration of just how out of step they are, they're watching their influence not only diminish but their bigotry now actually has a cost. Their beloved free market is what they would call woke and man are they dirty about it.

 

[Gethelred]

Of course not, that is captain obvious statement, except to the >idiots< who are actually part of the 'everyone' who may misunderstand / misuse what groups mean when they say 'inclusive of everyone'

Again, another captain obvious statement except to the >idiots< who are actually part of the 'everyone' who may misunderstand / misuse what groups mean when they say 'inclusive of everyone'

I looked up the dictionary term, so it's not my definition.

Do you understand now? It can be misused purely because the language is contradictory.

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

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