Training Apples' Training Threads 2018/19

[Saintly Viewed]

I’ve always felt the 2km time trial is a nice bit of fun for the players and to get the competitive juices flowing.

the younger types can show improvement on times, the older ones can get going with a nice run.

the real better runners can compete with each other.

and ultimately it’s just another time trial, not all defining (unless you’re turning up inebriated)

 

[jackcass]

Don’t tell anyone, there’d even beat our boys in their last 2km of the 42km marathon against ours running fresh the 2km.

shhhhhhh, our secret

Get them to carry the same bulk as AFL footballers and see how they go.

 

[partypie]

Age really doesn't matter when young kids regularly win the time trials. Running a 7 16 as a light midfielder is complete garbage, even Sier who struggles at afl level with fitness beat that by a monstrous 30 seconds. His time this year doesn't scream afl ready at all either.

Age doesn't matter but physical development does.

Tyler came in as a skinny kid who could barely fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

His physique is starting to mature now with a bit more power through the legs and core, and that is evident by the slashing of 20 seconds of his 2k time (which is a huge improvement).

You mention Sier as a point of comparison but his problem was never really with strength through the core as he has always had some power in his running even as a junior - it was his overall fitness.

Not sure why you're so hard on Tyler given that he is clearly a late bloomer physically speaking - give him another year or so to fill out and learn how to use his developing strength and endurance effectively on the field and he's going to be a cracking youngster for us.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Hold my beer....

LMAO I've just jumped on a desktop and seen your signature. Apt.

 

[Quicky]

Anthony Rocca was seemingly always out of breath but i would have him at centre half forward in a blink if he was starting again

Grundy usually comes in last. Both Rocca's would probably trail him. Swan's times were ordinary. I don't reckon it's really a great measure of game day endurance. I think that, yet every year i'm glued to big footy waiting for those placings to get posted haha.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Grundy usually comes in last. Both Rocca's would probably trail him. Swan's times were ordinary. I don't reckon it's really a great measure of game day endurance. I think that, yet every year i'm glued to big footy waiting for those placings to get posted haha.

Because it’s that kick start to the full training group and something we can analyse to death.

be even more interesting they ran the 2km then all had a 5 minute rest then did it again and then again then the fourth time.

bet Sidebottom cleans up then

 

[sr36]

Because it’s that kick start to the full training group and something we can analyse to death.

be even more interesting they ran the 2km then all had a 5 minute rest then did it again and then again then the fourth time.

bet Sidebottom cleans up then

I'd still have my money on Phillips, or the new kid you've shifted your spare Wells jinx to. (I'm going with the theory that the curse has no power if the player isn't named.)

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'd still have my money on Phillips, or the new kid you've shifted your spare Wells jinx to. (I'm going with the theory that the curse has no power if the player isn't named.)

One can only hope.

 

[Scodog10]

Anthony Rocca was seemingly always out of breath but i would have him at centre half forward in a blink if he was starting again

I’m not confident that 18yo A Rocca gets drafted let alone goes on to have a role as the starting CHF. His record is about on par with Mihocek’s. You take Mihocek’s workrate away and he’s struggling.

 

[sr36]

I’m not confident that 18yo A Rocca gets drafted let alone goes on to have a role as the starting CHF. His record is about on par with Mihocek’s. You take Mihocek’s workrate away and he’s struggling.

He'd be drafted on potential. He could do the things you dream of your CHF doing. And he was BOG in an U18 Grand Final. But there would have been significant queries about his tank and application. He certainly wouldn't have played as much seniors early in his career. Early days, he just had no tank or second effort whatsoever.

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Fire at the Pies

 

[Buckley is my hero]

Grundy usually comes in last. Both Rocca's would probably trail him. Swan's times were ordinary. I don't reckon it's really a great measure of game day endurance. I think that, yet every year i'm glued to big footy waiting for those placings to get posted haha.

The interesting thing is to attend the time trial and see how the players pull up. Grundy didn't even break out into a sweat after the trial, meaning he's super fit. That's all that matters with the ruckmen, not where they finish.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The interesting thing is to attend the time trial and see how the players pull up. Grundy didn't even break out into a sweat after the trial, meaning he's super fit. That's all that matters with the ruckmen, not where they finish.

Grundy is on a seven year time trial



Nice

 

[loki04]

A friend of mine is a pretty decent club runner. He guffaws and rolls his eyes whenever footy players are described as elite athletes.

Does your friend also weigh 85 - 105kg and at heights of 180cm to 2m?

Can they also do a 20m 2.8 to 3sec time and bench 150kg 200kg squats and dead?


Its elite in terms of mixtures of athletic capability.

 

[loki04]

A very overused word I reckon, one of my pet hates... elite. Not even sure what it means... I assume it is comparative, so the larger a given population the larger the number of 'elite' members ?

When discussing 'Elite' for draft camp results it is referencing records held by AFL players from all drafts. So elite would be in the top % of recorded times for AFL prospects.

Occassionaly we see some records mentioned who crossover for non AFL sports for comparisons sake.

 

[sr36]

Does your friend also weigh 85 - 105kg and at heights of 180cm to 2m?

Can they also do a 20m 2.8 to 3sec time and bench 150kg 200kg squats and dead?


Its elite in terms of mixtures of athletic capability.

The game requires a mixture of athletic capabilities, but you don't have to be elite athletes. Any world class decathlete would smash the best, let alone the average AFL players. Pendles is an AFL footballer because he wasn't athletic enough for top-line basketball. Greg Williams and Sam Mitchell are two of the best midfielders that I've ever seen, but they sure as hell weren't elite athletes. There are some very good athletes playing AFL, but you don't actually have to be a very good athlete to be a great footballer and very few, if any AFL footballers have olympic potential. You find elite Olympic level athletes performing at the Olympics, you only find them as spectators at the MCG, unless it's 1956.

 

[jonbe54]

The game requires a mixture of athletic capabilities, but you don't have to be elite athletes. Any world class decathlete would smash the best, let alone the average AFL players. Pendles is an AFL footballer because he wasn't athletic enough for top-line basketball. Greg Williams and Sam Mitchell are two of the best midfielders that I've ever seen, but they sure as hell weren't elite athletes. There are some very good athletes playing AFL, but you don't actually have to be a very good athlete to be a great footballer and very few, if any AFL footballers have olympic potential. You find elite Olympic level athletes performing at the Olympics, you only find them as spectators at the MCG, unless it's 1956.

With elite athletes its all about narrow focus, they are driven individuals that have formidable powers of concentration and dedication.

Both my parents belonged in this class of sportsman/woman although at a step down from the national level.

Both State level champions, dad in gymnastics whereas mum was multi disciplined in water polo, long distance swimming, high diving and not to mention state champion ballroom dancer.

The dedication and commitment that is required is more than most of us are willing to endure.

For myself I was a pennant level player - squash - but never went higher because I enjoyed the social side of the competition more than the need to exceed all comers.

 

[sr36]

With elite athletes its all about narrow focus, they are driven individuals that have formidable powers of concentration and dedication.

Both my parents belonged in this class of sportsman/woman although at a step down from the national level.

Both State level champions, dad in gymnastics whereas mum was multi disciplined in water polo, long distance swimming, high diving and not to mention state champion ballroom dancer.

The dedication and commitment that is required is more than most of us are willing to endure.

For myself I was a pennant level player - squash - but never went higher because I enjoyed the social side of the competition more than the need to exceed all comers.

Olympians are insane. Imagine devoting all your time to having a great 10 seconds. Unless it's with a super model - it's just not worth it.

 

[jonbe54]

Olympians are insane. Imagine devoting all your time to having a great 10 seconds. Unless it's with a super model - it's just not worth it.

Absolutely SR, when I was still at secondary school my summer sport was velodrome racing and our sports teacher in this discipline was a Hungarian former Olympian pursuit rider.

He was in his 40's in those days and still trained in excess of 40 hours a week, he could leave any of us lads eating his dust with ease.

 

[ottoman]

I think some people are assuming here that a slow 2km time trial equals not having endurance.
It's very possible for someone to have very good endurance but not necessarily be very "quick" over the distance.
For example Grundy may be slow but he also may be able to continue going for a very long time.
It's only 2kms, a relatively short distance, we shouldn't be assuming people lack endurance because they are a bit slower than others over that distance.

 

[Finnishpie]

Anthony Rocca was seemingly always out of breath but i would have him at centre half forward in a blink if he was starting again

Rocco would struggle in the modern game. Sav doubly so.

 

[legendstatus]

Smith & Marsten were top 2 or 4 in 2k time trial both delisted this year. Just sayin.


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[Saintly Viewed]

Smith & Marsten were top 2 or 4 in 2k time trial both delisted this year. Just sayin.


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Josh Smith (I assume this Smith we used to have who went to WCE now delisted) was always talent challenged for being able to have a sustained career.

But no question his work ethic, dedication, excellence in running allowed him at least a shot to string together a small but tidy stint of games at the highest level.

for that alone he did as best he could. Good guy. Just not quite talented enough.

 

[Pie eyed]

A very overused word I reckon, one of my pet hates... elite. Not even sure what it means... I assume it is comparative, so the larger a given population the larger the number of 'elite' members ?

Covers anyone with a pair of Nike's these days.
I was an elite trainer....could do laps and fart between every stride during the pre-training warm-up.

 

[Mukesh]

Covers anyone with a pair of Nike's these days.
I was an elite trainer....could do laps and fart between every stride during the pre-training warm-up.

Truly elite....Not many could achieve that level of bodily coordination...