Expansion Armageddon the Doomsday Document

[littleduck]

What pathetic thing are you trying to do .
Name any team with ARFC in it's title
Do you do it because you are ignorant ?
Do you do it because you think it's funny ?
Do you do it because you think it's frustrating ?
I really don't see the purpose in it .

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You make it too easy...

Southport Australian Rules Football Club Ltd
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=010_452_936&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Orange Tigers Australian Rules Football Club
http://www.orangetigers.info/index.html

 

[Rob]

What is the problem with the three tier stand exactly ?

Built in the 60's and it shows. The worst amenities in the ground - there aren't any. You need to leave the stand to buy anything or take a leak. The seat pitch is appalling - i'm only 6 foot 1 and I can't fit in the seats on the bottom level.

There is no problem with Robert's Rd , if you build over the road as I suggested in the use of air space .In fact very few people realise that the Northern stand is a lot narrower than it should be and it too should have been built out onto the road .

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Good luck getting that through the council. There are residents on the other side of the road who would rightfully be pissed if their new front porch is a stadium. It's not even like it's a wide street.

You'd be struggling to find 1 footy fan (i.e regular Subiaco attendee) in 100 that thinks redeveloping Subiaco is a good idea.

 

[cos789]

Built in the 60's and it shows. The worst amenities in the ground - there aren't any. You need to leave the stand to buy anything or take a leak. The seat pitch is appalling - i'm only 6 foot 1 and I can't fit in the seats on the bottom level.

Yes , the seats have to be re-done .
And add the failities at rear .

Good luck getting that through the council. There are residents on the other side of the road who would rightfully be pissed if their new front porch is a stadium. It's not even like it's a wide street.

Well they are going to build a stadium where there was a park .
Don't tell me the residents like that at all .As for the Roberts Rd frontages , well I'd buy them and develope them into facilties or commercial space .

You'd be struggling to find 1 footy fan (i.e regular Subiaco attendee) in 100 that thinks redeveloping Subiaco is a good idea.

It's the preferred WAFC model . I'm just doing it slightly differently .
It's not the way I'd do it , but the government has chosen Subiaco ,
not a clean site .The government has chosen to build a multi-purpose
stadium where it could save $300 million by not doing so .The government
could also have started if it had chosen other options .
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[Rob]

Yes , the seats have to be re-done .
And add the failities at rear .

Which is just a band aid solution. You really need to visit Subi and walk around the whole ground, as me explaining it obviously isn't getting across what a shithole it is.

Well they are going to build a stadium where there was a park .
Don't tell me the residents like that at all .As for the Roberts Rd frontages , well I'd buy them and develope them into facilties or commercial space .

Maybe, but replacing a stadium by building a new one 200m to the east is a bit different to building a stand in your front yard.
And you'll find that the residents on Roberts Rd would much rather the new stadium option anyway.

It's the preferred WAFC model . I'm just doing it slightly differently .
It's not the way I'd do it , but the government has chosen Subiaco ,
not a clean site .The government has chosen to build a multi-purpose
stadium where it could save $300 million by not doing so .The government
could also have started if it had chosen other options .
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It's the preferred WAFC model because it would have resulted in them retaining control. It would not be the preferred model of pretty much every footy follower.
Personally, I think they picked the worst of the 3 new stadium options. IMO, both Burswood and East Perth would have been better sites.
But it's going to be infinitely better than what we've got now, and the Subi redevelopment option. If you expand a shithole, all you end up with is a bigger shithole.

 

[cos789]

Which is just a band aid solution. You really need to visit Subi and walk around the whole ground, as me explaining it obviously isn't getting across what a shithole it is.

I am a Dockers and Eagles member so I probably see Subi more than you .
The tree tier stand is a very simple stand and is far superior to the two tier
northern stand - because it has 3 tiers , rear exits and no piers .
That stand is absolutely shocking , with restrictive viewing because of both piers and stairways , walkways up front because they didn't put them underneath . The three stand profile is great , as long as all walkways and facilties remain at the rear .

Maybe, but replacing a stadium by building a new one 200m to the east is a bit different to building a stand in your front yard.
And you'll find that the residents on Roberts Rd would much rather the new stadium option anyway.

A resident would not be happy either way . I understand that the WAFC has
purchased the houses along the railway so they could push further North
therefore not affecting anybody . I'm saying - do the same in Roberts Rd .

Now answer me this . Is the new stadium going to fit between the existing roads ? If so the design is surely compromised .

It's the preferred WAFC model because it would have resulted in them retaining control. It would not be the preferred model of pretty much every footy follower.

And retaining control is another bonus .
Subiaco is crap because of the northern and Robert's rd stands - because there is no continuity of walkways , exist and facilties . They have all been compromised by the narrow site .
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[Rob]

A resident would not be happy either way . I understand that the WAFC has
purchased the houses along the railway so they could push further North
therefore not affecting anybody . I'm saying - do the same in Roberts Rd .

Now answer me this . Is the new stadium going to fit between the existing roads ? If so the design is surely compromised .

Not much point arguing a difference of opinion - but I will answer this.

The houses between Subiaco Road and the rail line will be demolished. Most are owned by the state government anyway, and you're right about the WAFC owning some (but by no means all of the rest, some private owners need to be bought out). The stadium itself will be built on what is now Kitchener Park and the land between that and West Leederville train station. The train station will be rebuilt and incorporated into the stadium design.

The stadium will still be built in the wrong direction (as Subiaco is now), being east-west instead of north-south. Which is another weakness of the option chosen.

 

[littleduck]

Subiaco presents well on television. It's obviously had a few cosmetic touch ups with a few new seats to make it present well, but the catering and general amenity underneath must be an issue?

 

[littleduck]

You make it too easy...

Southport Australian Rules Football Club Ltd
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=010_452_936&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Cos,

Southport ARFC.

What say you?

 

[cos789]

The stadium will still be built in the wrong direction (as Subiaco is now), being east-west instead of north-south. Which is another weakness of the option chosen.

Having argued the case for Subiaco redevelopment I'm assuming it would save money . Maybe it wouldn't save enough to make it worthwhile .
Like you , it's not my preferred option and I have doubts about the timeframe
and costing in that the government will once again cheap out (as they have done in the selection process) and the stadium will once again be compromised .In fact I don't know why they didn't return to the original idea and build N/S .Same setup really . You could build half the stadium before demolishing the other half and no residents would have a worse outlook .
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[pcpp]

Nice one cos.

 

[akazie]

Bahahahaha

Poor cossy, it's been a bad week so far.

 

[cos789]

Bahahahaha

it's been a bad week so far.

yep , another bad week for rl . More articles about Armageddon , Doomsday ,
crowds down despite freebies and being inflated . Wicked .

Quite happy with the AFL situation .

 

[Hicham]

You make it too easy...

Southport Australian Rules Football Club Ltd
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=010_452_936&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Orange Tigers Australian Rules Football Club
http://www.orangetigers.info/index.html

Hahahaha.

Just because you're ignoring it Cos, doesn't mean its not there!

 

[akazie]

Hahahaha.

Just because you're ignoring it Cos, doesn't mean its not there!

Cos and his split personalities

 

[Hicham]

lol akazie!

"I can aussure you all, Littleduck did NOT just own me in a big way. There is no post to support this claim! Now, lets get back to discussing knitting".

 

[akazie]

lol akazie!

"I can aussure you all, Littleduck did NOT just own me in a big way. There is no post to support this claim! Now, lets get back to discussing knitting".

lol, pulling out the big guns Hicham.

Cos and Vlad, or cos and eh, pick one from here, pick any lol.

 

[Raiderdave]

yep , another bad week for rl . More articles about Armageddon , Doomsday ,
crowds down despite freebies and being inflated . Wicked .

Quite happy with the AFL situation .

2873 freebies ( about half the amount given at AFL games at Carrara this year ) in a round total of 126,105 , poor weather conditions at 2 games that would have added another 7K covering the freebies easily ...
so crowds not down or up really

so what was it you were saying ?

 

[cos789]

2873 freebies in a round total of 126,105 , poor weather conditions at 2 games that would have added another 7K covering the freebies easily ...
so crowds not down or up really

so what was it you were saying ?

126,105 divided by 8 = 15.7 k If that makes you happy
then cheers .

 

[littleduck]

Hahahaha.

Just because you're ignoring it Cos, doesn't mean its not there!

cos?

 

[cos789]

cos?

good work one Asic and one website .
Wow , I'm wrong , you're right . I bet you'll sleep happy tonight .
What do you think about Searle and his Doomsday prophesies ?



Oh , sorry , you're still researching AR titles . good one .
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[Holding The Ball]

Hey Cozzie:

Found a great site on crowd figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Australian_football_code_crowds

The first 19 of the 20 top league crowds are footy crowds.

Hopefully that will shut up those League trolls on here.

 

[littleduck]

Wow , I'm wrong , you're right .

What do you think about Searle and his Doomsday prophesies ?

RL traditionally only achieves lasting change by painting doom and gloom scenarios.

The reason is that RL has a series of narrow-minded governing bodies all of whom make decisions in their own narrow interests. RL has no whole of game all-encompassing governing body whom makes the big picture decisions for the benefit of all within the game.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Hey Cozzie:

Found a great site on crowd figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Australian_football_code_crowds

The first 19 of the 20 top league crowds are footy crowds.

Hopefully that will shut up those League trolls on here.

Great link there why don't you just go to your home under the bridge and try to intimidate some billy-goats.

 

[Beckers]

Hey Cozzie:

Found a great site on crowd figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Australian_football_code_crowds

The first 19 of the 20 top league crowds are footy crowds.

Hopefully that will shut up those League trolls on here.

That makes for some great reading!
Sorry for the lack of editing, but you get the idea!

Team Competition Played Home Crowds Average

Collingwood Magpies AFL 5 317,546 63,509
Carlton Blues AFL 5 259,088 51,818
Essendon Bombers AFL 6 280,534 46,756
Richmond Tigers AFL 5 220,721 44,144
Adelaide Crows AFL 6 242,684 40,447
Hawthorn Hawks AFL 7 277,957 39,708
West Coast Eagles AFL 6 232,324 38,721
St Kilda Saints AFL 8 308,355 38,544
Fremantle Dockers AFL 6 217,550 36,258
Western Bulldogs AFL 6 205,987 34,331
Geelong Cats AFL 5 168,192 33,638
Brisbane Broncos NRL 7 234,554 33,508
Sydney Swans AFL 5 159,709 31,942
Brisbane Lions AFL 6 190,015 31,669
NSW Waratahs Super 14 2 59,282 29,641
Melbourne Demons AFL 7 206,292 29,470
Western Force Super 14 1 27,011 27,011
Nth Melbourne AFL 6 156,070 26,012
Port Adelaide Power AFL 5 128,181 25,636
Gold Coast Titans NRL 4 90,581 22,645
North Queensland Cowboys NRL 3 60,440 20,147
Parramatta Eels NRL 2 40,241 20,121
Newcastle Knights NRL 8 155,488 19,436
Queensland Reds Super 14 2 37,013 18,507
Wests Tigers NRL 3 49,231 16,410
Canterbury Bulldogs NRL 8 127,457 15,932
South Sydney Rabbitohs NRL 8 123,504 15,438
Sydney Roosters NRL 2 30,861 15,431
Brumbies Super 14 7 99,898 14,271
New Zealand Warriors NRL 3 42,680 14,227
Cronulla Sharks NRL 7 97,525 13,932
Melbourne Storm NRL 6 81,142 13,524
Manly Sea Eagles NRL 8 104,295 13,037
Canberra Raiders NRL 7 86,718 12,388
St George Illawarra Dragons NRL 3 37,478 12,493
Penrith Panthers NRL 8 93,979 11,747
Queensland Roar A-League 0 0 0
Melbourne Victory A-League 0 0 0
Central Coast Mariners A-League 0 0 0
Wellington Phoenix A-League 0 0 0
Newcastle Jets A-League 0 0 0
Melbourne Victory A-League 0 0 0
Sydney FC A-League 0 0 0
Perth Glory A-League 0 0 0

 

[littleduck]

Good graph and reveals the stark contract between AFL heartland and RL heartland.

RL HEARTLAND ONLY GRAPH:

Team Competition Played Home Crowds Average

Brisbane Broncos NRL 7 234,554 33,508
Sydney Swans AFL 5 159,709 31,942
Brisbane Lions AFL 6 190,015 31,669
NSW Waratahs Super 14 2 59,282 29,641
Gold Coast Titans NRL 4 90,581 22,645
North Queensland Cowboys NRL 3 60,440 20,147
Parramatta Eels NRL 2 40,241 20,121
Newcastle Knights NRL 8 155,488 19,436
Queensland Reds Super 14 2 37,013 18,507
Wests Tigers NRL 3 49,231 16,410
Canterbury Bulldogs NRL 8 127,457 15,932
South Sydney Rabbitohs NRL 8 123,504 15,438
Sydney Roosters NRL 2 30,861 15,431
Brumbies Super 14 7 99,898 14,271
New Zealand Warriors NRL 3 42,680 14,227
Cronulla Sharks NRL 7 97,525 13,932
Manly Sea Eagles NRL 8 104,295 13,037
Canberra Raiders NRL 7 86,718 12,388
St George Illawarra Dragons NRL 3 37,478 12,493
Penrith Panthers NRL 8 93,979 11,747
Queensland Roar A-League 0 0 0
Central Coast Mariners A-League 0 0 0
Newcastle Jets A-League 0 0 0
Sydney FC A-League 0 0 0