As I was perusing through some threads...

[.Shotties.]

Has anyone noticed when other supporters discuss our future / lack thereof, they seem to have memorised one or two names of our youngsters and use it as proof they know what they're talking about? Thing is, they all seem to memorise different kids.

Seriously, I've seen:
"Bird and Jack will be good, but you have no other kids"
"The only good kid you have is White, the rest are shit."
"Hannebery and Veszpremi are the only young players Sydney have to get excited about".

and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what to make of this, which of our kids are shit and which are good?

 

[J_Moore]

Brendan Murphy looks promising. Other than that, we're stuffed. We need a KP forward and an inside/outside midfielder.

What were you carded for?

 

[legend166]

What's funny is they all name different players, so if you added them all up, we'll have a gun team

 

[RobbieK]

Brendan Murphy looks promising. Other than that, we're stuffed. We need a KP forward and an inside/outside midfielder.

What were you carded for?

I foresee a long and successful career for Brendan Murphy at the Swans...

 

[kira]

we had no good youngsters, now we do

obviously it's because of AFL concessions to gift us another premiership plus we play a boring brand of football

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

The AFL gift premierships? Cool, when are they giving us our next one? It's been 4 years and it already seems like too long.

 

[kira]

The AFL gift premierships? Cool, when are they giving us our next one? It's been 4 years and it already seems like too long.

should be soon.... according to BF we are the AFL's favourite son.... so we're just given the stuff

hurry up AFL, we still don't have enough talented youngsters.... make Hawthorn give us Cyril

 

[disgruntled goat]

The AFL gift premierships? Cool, when are they giving us our next one? It's been 4 years and it already seems like too long.

Why settle for one? Surely, if we're so favoured, we could ask the AFL would for two premierships next year.

 

[Dangas]

Meredith, Bird, Jack, White, Veszpremi, Johnston, yet to debut, Hannebery, Thornton...etc...lol

 

[AG]

BF's obsession with youth is starting to go too far.

 

[TheMase]

BF's obsession with youth is starting to go too far.

Absolutely. Somewhere along the line it became paramount to throw all players 28+ off your list and start again.

To this day, there is little proof this is the successful strategy. If you look at previous premiership teams, they almost always have a well balanced side of older, middle aged and youngish players.

Yes the club needs to invest in youth, but there are many ways to create a premiership team. We are a prime example of that.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

BF's obsession with youth is starting to go too far.

-Puts on 13yr old Geelong supporter's thinking cap-

wot gud plaiers do u relly have? lol kirk who is old and goods will retire in too years at least!!11 olaughlin shud come out of retire becoz jessy white is not goin to match teh young new forwards liek ranch and hawkins! if i was roos i wud do a huge cleaning of teh list and cross me fingers when gc takes all of the best talent,but i predict 10 maybe more years at the bottom for sydney sorry lol!

 

[AG]

Haha, perfect DA.

 

[bungee]

BF's obsession with youth is starting to go too far.

Agree, and judging by our own board we're slowly being sucked in by it.

Interestingly, the average age for winning a Brownlow medal is around 25.5 over the last 12 years (it used to be much lower). If Goodes wins it again this year it'll go even higher. None of those players dropped off much in performance afterwards - mostly they stayed well in the voting. This might be taken to indicate that modern players peak, on average, from 25+. Perhaps this has something to do with the nature of today's game. So much more running needs so much more stamina (something that peaks in long-distance runners at 30+)

In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that it's only the exceptional players (ie, Chris Judd) who can hope to win a Charlie early in their career these days. For the record he was 21 but again there's no suggestion that he's slipped backward since. On the other side of the coin, Buckley was 31 when he won, Ricciuto was 28 and our own (soon to be triple winner) Goodes is 30 in January

For me the exciting players are the one's (like the former McHack) who show glimpses of real potential but take a little more time to become consistent performers. These are the players with the stamina to reach every contest, the hardness to put their bodies on the line time and again and who have the intelligence and experience to execute the team game plan, regardless of the pressure. Roos has a reputation for preparing his young players slowly, over a low flame. Perhaps he understands the demands of the modern game better than some of his contemporaries.

I for one think we've debuted enough youngsters this year and have plenty of potential in reserve. Give them time to grow.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

When I was reading your post, Bungee, I could hear the wondrous Jurassic Park theme music and got images of eggs cracking and a cute little baby Dino peeking out.

 

[SirJimi05]

Has anyone noticed when other supporters discuss our future / lack thereof, they seem to have memorised one or two names of our youngsters and use it as proof they know what they're talking about? Thing is, they all seem to memorise different kids.

Seriously, I've seen:
"Bird and Jack will be good, but you have no other kids"
"The only good kid you have is White, the rest are shit."
"Hannebery and Veszpremi are the only young players Sydney have to get excited about".

and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what to make of this, which of our kids are shit and which are good?

What's funny is they all name different players, so if you added them all up, we'll have a gun team

No doubt Sydney has some good young talent, all clubs do.

It is when you stack Sydney's young talent up against the talent of other clubs that you notice that they are lacking.

If you made a list of the top 10-15 young players 23 and under from all clubs i would be inclined to say that Sydney would be close to the bottom of the list as far as depth of talent goes.

 

[TheMase]

No doubt Sydney has some good young talent, all clubs do.

It is when you stack Sydney's young talent up against the talent of other clubs that you notice that they are lacking.

If you made a list of the top 10-15 young players 23 and under from all clubs i would be inclined to say that Sydney would be close to the bottom of the list as far as depth of talent goes.

I think you need to correct yourself. Nobody around here knows anything about the players on our list, and therefore I would not seem them as a reasonable judge.

The future will tell, and I am confident our bunch will hold their own.

 

[.Shotties.]

If you made a list of the top 10-15 young players 23 and under from all clubs i would be inclined to say that Sydney would be close to the bottom of the list as far as depth of talent goes.

Yeah, and? Who plays 15 under 23s in a team? Young talent means **** all if it isn't nurtured properly. The kids that do stay with this club will be worth a lot more than the ZOMG GUN!!!! kids who are broken within two seasons from carrying expectations on their shoulders from the start.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

If you made a list on BigFooty, we'd be lacking, but that has more to do with the typical BF poster's lack of knowledge when it comes to our players, than to do with their actual ability.

Another important thing to note is we generally start players later, our reserves competition is weak and there's no sense throwing a kid into the deep end after he gets 50 possessions against Tuggeranong, when he's still too light/inexperienced to be playing AFL.

Roos is very smart when it comes to debuting kids, and when he does give one an early chance (Bird, Hannebery for example) they do tend to make an impact. I wont expect most outsiders to know this, but Smith, Jack and O'Dwyer all showed a lot this year and I don't think either of them were rushed into the side. Smith and Jack especially look like very good youngsters and Meredith was showing great touch before he was injured earlier in the year.

Add the improvement of White and Grundy and we're in good shape to build our next successful team. If we don't rate highly on some BigFooty expert's list, well I will take that with a grain of salt.


Edit: This will not end well for you, SirJimi

 

[bungee]

When I was reading your post, Bungee, I could hear the wondrous Jurassic Park theme music and got images of eggs cracking and a cute little baby Dino peeking out.

Perhaps because you were reading my post while watching Jurassic Park ?

Seriously though, you shouldn't smoke that stuff while reading my posts.

 

[bungee]

Yeah, and? Who plays 15 under 23s in a team? Young talent means **** all if it isn't nurtured properly. The kids that do stay with this club will be worth a lot more than the ZOMG GUN!!!! kids who are broken within two seasons from carrying expectations on their shoulders from the start.

Exactly. The Warnambool U11 B-team have an entire team of players under 23 and they'd struggle to beat the Bombers in a final (or perhaps not )

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Perhaps because you were reading my post while watching Jurassic Park ?

Seriously though, you shouldn't smoke that stuff while reading my posts.

It's the only way to make any sense out of them.

 

[Swans120]

My most hated stereotype i think on BF that has been a recent evolution:

Finishing outside the top 8 = Tanking

I suppose it does come and has evolved out of the obsession over youth and the thought process of high draft picks being the way to definite success. But this is the thing i hate most about BF i think.

 

[Rhino5]

If you made a list on BigFooty, we'd be lacking, but that has more to do with the typical BF poster's lack of knowledge when it comes to our players, than to do with their actual ability.

Another important thing to note is we generally start players later, our reserves competition is weak and there's no sense throwing a kid into the deep end after he gets 50 possessions against Tuggeranong, when he's still too light/inexperienced to be playing AFL.

Roos is very smart when it comes to debuting kids, and when he does give one an early chance (Bird, Hannebery for example) they do tend to make an impact. I wont expect most outsiders to know this, but Smith, Jack and O'Dwyer all showed a lot this year and I don't think either of them were rushed into the side. Smith and Jack especially look like very good youngsters and Meredith was showing great touch before he was injured earlier in the year.

Add the improvement of White and Grundy and we're in good shape to build our next successful team. If we don't rate highly on some BigFooty expert's list, well I will take that with a grain of salt.


Edit: This will not end well for you, SirJimi

Spot on DA. Also,it's hardly surprising our young players aren't rated on BF, simply because we've had no high draft picks - the last top ten one being 7 years ago! This means that none of our young guys has had any of that BF hype created through preseason mock drafts and the like.

 

[ringo200]

Spot on DA. Also,it's hardly surprising our young players aren't rated on BF, simply because we've had no high draft picks - the last top ten one being 7 years ago! This means that none of our young guys has had any of that BF hype created through preseason mock drafts and the like.

Exactly, a few years ago everyone was saying the same thing about Adelaide, they were too old and had no high draft picks which seems to mean you have no good youth coming through.

All of a sudden guys like Bernie Vince, Tippet, Mackay who no one had ever heard of or rated, come out of nowhere while the youth of the other clubs that were all so promising and were going to deliver them a premiership have fallen off the pace or been delisted.

Basically we were able to have our cake and eat it too because of the obsession of youth in the AFL these days.

Sydney will be playing finals footy again in the very near future.