As it stands so far

[NAUGHT5]

Obviously you wont be trading pick 5.

I havent read the thread but if any Carlton fan said pick 5 and Gibson for Grigg and pick 11 then i apologise on behalf of the club.

But if Carlton kept their 1st pick and got Judd
and again kept their 1st pick and got Warnock.

i would expect to keep our 1st pick this year. Especially if its for Gibson.

 

[hilly]

Does Lisle still have a turning circle that makes Josh Smith look like Cyril Rioli?

 

[Zvim]

This is one of the biggest misconceptions in footy at the momemt.

You might get strike gold and get someone useful, but I wouldn't want to bet my life on it. The pool has half the numbers of previous years because of re-jigging the age band, thus you are probably looking at a 3rd round quality player in the 2nd round and a 4th round quality player in the 3rd round. We got some good players with 3rd and 4th round picks previously.

But... you have to value the picks accordingly. They are a lot more risky than they were in previous years.

 

[coryne]

Another relevant point that you've failed to appreciate here, oh-balanced-outsider, is that Hawthorn were the ones who made the move on Gibbo, and not in a subtle, "let's work behind the scenes with North to come up with a workable trade" way; no, they've encouraged him to walk and have publicly let it be known he's worth fistfuls of cash to them.

On this basis, what most of us have been saying is that their second round pick appears inadequate compensation for the value they perceive. So, what's left for them to offer? Their first round pick, number 9. Not unreasonable for us to set that as a starting point. (FWIW, I don't believe we have a chance in hell of getting number 9 for Gibbo, but they've come knocking, so they need to offer us something we'll take).

Very different from the Carlton clowns suggesting we need to give up pick 5 (FFS!) and Gibbo, who they also want, for a later first round pick and a player we've expressed no interest in.

That's my, possibly unbalanced, view.

Um, show me 1 piece of evidence that Carlton are actually after Gibson ............... The trade was IN RESPONSE to the trades going through this thread linking Grigg to a Gibson trade (North supporters brought it up, not me) which are totally 1 sided (lmfao @ Gibson for Grigg + #11 or #27). As the GC17 supporter said, to an outside observer my trade was no better or worse OVERALL to the trades circulating through the thread ........... Sure it was probably a crap trade, but no worse than some of the others mentioned.

 

[The Zebra]

Im sorry. Im completely out of the loop... dont get a chance to watch too many North Games.

Can someone provide me some (honest) info on Gibson?

Strengths/ weaknesses... that kind of thing.

Im assuming he is a Defender. KPP? Third tall? Age?

Thanks fellas.

His strength is his strength IMO. He is very strong in one on ones and is great at spoiling.

He reads the ball well and is smart enough to play in front of his man or behind.

He is listed at 189cm, but I reckon he is more likely 187cm. He definitely plays above his height and the 192cm-194cm guys have not trouble him with height advantage, because he has developed a very good last burst of speed to get a fist in (or dart in front) - taking away reach advantage. In saying that, despite his good performances on Buddy, I think Buddy is one who exposed him for height on a few occassions when the Hawks set it high in one on ones and all Gibbo could do was punch arms. He usually destroys midsized dangerous forwards inside the 50.

Has shown a tank I didn't think he had this year and was able to run out games in the midfield. He did some great midfield/forward shutdown jobs on Pavlich and Goodes because of this. When played early as more an attcking mid, he looked lost. He is a backman - no doubt.

His disposal is ok, but not great. And can lack awareness in traffic. That is where Thompson overtook him for us this year I reckon. They have similiar attriubutes defensively in that both have good strength, are hard to move of the line, and have a very good ability to get a fist in on taller opponents, but Thompson is very good in traffic while Gibbo can get lost.

He is a good player. Probably not worth as first round pick to the blues like he is to the Hawks given your defence looks stronger, but you can set him any defensive task - whether it is Reiwoldt, Brown, pavlich or a Medhurst or Steve Johnson, and he will usually do the job - even with shocking midfield pressure. He will be adequate in bringing it out, but rarely damaging.

He would find it much easier defending to the Carlton midfield and could really go up another level, and his level for most of 2009 was pushing AA quality.

And he is 25.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Obviously you wont be trading pick 5.

I havent read the thread but if any Carlton fan said pick 5 and Gibson for Grigg and pick 11 then i apologise on behalf of the club.

But if Carlton kept their 1st pick and got Judd
and again kept their 1st pick and got Warnock.

i would expect to keep our 1st pick this year. Especially if its for Gibson.

You kept your priority pick with Judd which is the reason you were prepared to trade your first rounder, which West Coast used on Masten. I don't think Warnock was ever seriously going to get Freo pick six either.

That being said, I don't expect us to get pick nine or 11.

 

[giantroo]

I wouldn't mind that trade of Lisle + 25 for Gibbo.

We can partially fix our forward line, while getting another pick to get another midfielder.

 

[Twinkletoes]

I wouldn't mind that trade of Lisle + 25 for Gibbo.

We can partially fix our forward line, while getting another pick to get another midfielder.

It's the first realistic suggestion which has interested me, after watching young Lisle in the U18's. I was hoping WE'D draft him at the time.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Lisle is a VFL plodder at best. I don't think he got close to a senior game despite every other man and his dog getting a go at Hawthorn due to injuries.

 

[1jasonoz]

Basically what I am saying is that, when people post suggestions for trades, many tend to do so through their own club-colored lenses. Thus we get Carlton supporters suggesting North give up their first-rounder and Gibbo eek, similarly, we get North supporters expecting pick 9 from Hawthorn for Gibbo. Both are unrealistic, but one seems less so to North supporters, for obvious reasons.

Just trying to balance the scales, which is never easy as an...

No i think alot of North supporters would say that Gibbo isn't worth pick 9 on his own, but he is worth more than pick 25. My thoughts are that Gibbo plus our 2nd or 3rd round pick is worth a pick 9.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Lisle is a VFL plodder at best. I don't think he got close to a senior game despite every other man and his dog getting a go at Hawthorn due to injuries.

He's better than that. "Every man and his dog" may have been given a go but he was hardly going to oust Buddy or Roughy, who both played most of the games. He's a kid still developing.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Wasn't he named AA CHB in the under 18s?

Given Croad's injury (and Gilham's too) and one of the key points about Lisle as a draftee being his body was AFL ready from day one, I think it's slightly worrying that he hasn't gotten a game. If we'd be getting him as a forward then I don't think he's going to be a better option than Smith, as he has similar agility issues.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Wasn't he named AA CHB in the under 18s?

Given Croad's injury (and Gilham's too) and one of the key points about Lisle as a draftee being his body was AFL ready from day one, I think it's slightly worrying that he hasn't gotten a game. If we'd be getting him as a forward then I don't think he's going to be a better option than Smith, as he has similar agility issues.

Yep, and he starred in the final as a CHB, marking everything which came his way, giving his opponent a bath.

I was surprised to learn the Hawks had been playing him forward. We'd of course do the opposite, as we tend to send our draftees straight to the backline even if they were recruited as forwards.

Yeah, not sure about that one (why he wouldn't have been picked as a CHB or similar). Maybe they thought he wasn't ready. The Hawks posters here would have a better idea.

Hawks posters.................why wasn't Lisle selected for an AFL game this year?

 

[hilly]

Turning circle of the Queen Mary

 

[Twinkletoes]

Turning circle of the Queen Mary

He doesn't need to be Rudolph Nureyev if he's beating his opponent to a pulp!

 

[breeno]

Turning circle of the Queen Mary

Some would say that about Bradshaw or J.Brown, Roughead also copped similar remarks I think.

Give the kid a chance.

 

[RoyalBlue]

Does Lisle still have a turning circle that makes Josh Smith look like Cyril Rioli?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Steven Tyler]

Yep, and he starred in the final as a CHB, marking everything which came his way, giving his opponent a bath.

I was surprised to learn the Hawks had been playing him forward. We'd of course do the opposite, as we tend to send our draftees straight to the backline even if they were recruited as forwards.

Yeah, not sure about that one (why he wouldn't have been picked as a CHB or similar). Maybe they thought he wasn't ready. The Hawks posters here would have a better idea.

Hawks posters.................why wasn't Lisle selected for an AFL game this year?

Lisle is still abit slow, needs to work on his speed! Is a long term prospect. Good mark and nice kick though. FWIW the Australian newspaper yesterday reported that Gibson had accepted Hawks offer of 280,000 a year and only wants to go to us. CBF reading through all the posts so appologize if been mentioned previous.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Lisle is still abit slow, needs to work on his speed! Is a long term prospect. Good mark and nice kick though. FWIW the Australian newspaper yesterday reported that Gibson had accepted Hawks offer of 280,000 a year and only wants to go to us. CBF reading through all the posts so appologize if been mentioned previous.

I'm betting he'd beat Josh Smith out of sight in a race over 100 metres. Most tall blokes are a bit slow, especially if they're not Buddy Franklin or Saint Nick.

He's a young kid, he puts his head over the ball and he takes a nice mark. From what little I've seen of him I'd say he is a bit shakey kicking for goal.

Anyone seen Hawks #35. Morton(?) - he's tallish and runs well. What do people think of him?

 

[Roosurgence]

I'm betting he'd beat Josh Smith out of sight in a race over 100 metres. Most tall blokes are a bit slow, especially if they're not Buddy Franklin or Saint Nick.

He's a young kid, he puts his head over the ball and he takes a nice mark. From what little I've seen of him I'd say he is a bit shakey kicking for goal.

Anyone seen Hawks #35. Morton(?) - he's tallish and runs well. What do people think of him?

Morton is a spud!

Makes Murphy look like a champion. Hawks fans would rejoice if they could offload Morton.

 

[Roosurgence]

Lisle is still abit slow, needs to work on his speed! Is a long term prospect. Good mark and nice kick though. FWIW the Australian newspaper yesterday reported that Gibson had accepted Hawks offer of 280,000 a year and only wants to go to us. CBF reading through all the posts so appologize if been mentioned previous.

Thats nice for Josh . But the Hawks might want to get a trade done before he can sign that contract. By my reckoning the Burgoyne saga could play right into our hands. To get Burgoyne Hawthorn are going to have to pay a bit of coin, which means that Gibson won't be able to front load a contract to try and get to them through the PSD. Looks like his only hope is if the Hawks can negotiatie a trade?

The more I hear about Gibson the more I am glad he will be moving on. Sounds like a dog of a bloke. Won't talk to North, but seems to have plenty of time to negotiate deals with Hawthorn.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Thats nice for Josh . But the Hawks might want to get a trade done before he can sign that contract. By my reckoning the Burgoyne saga could play right into our hands. To get Burgoyne Hawthorn are going to have to pay a bit of coin, which means that Gibson won't be able to front load a contract to try and get to them through the PSD. Looks like his only hope is if the Hawks can negotiatie a trade?

The more I hear about Gibson the more I am glad he will be moving on. Sounds like a dog of a bloke. Won't talk to North, but seems to have plenty of time to negotiate deals with Hawthorn.

Your right about getting that trade, but I think you'll find that in doing 2 players deals at once means the Hawks know what they'll be paying and lengths of contracts, so they just may be able to front load contracts if needed. I hope we do a trade thats fair to the both of us BTW,dont like it when players threaten to shaft clubs.

 

[Roosurgence]

Your right about getting that trade, but I think you'll find that in doing 2 players deals at once means the Hawks know what they'll be paying and lengths of contracts, so they just may be able to front load contracts if needed. I hope we do a trade thats fair to the both of us BTW,dont like it when players threaten to shaft clubs.

I'm sure they will have to frontload contracts to fit them both in, especially with Buddy coming out of contract next year.

The point I was making is that they wouldn't be able to get Gibson to put a big dollar value on his head in an attempt to get him in the PSD. If he goes to the PSD, I can't see him being at Hawthorn. Looks like a trade has to be done for him to get his wish? Knowing that I don't think North will settle for just Pick 25, I would have to think a sweetner would have to be thrown in?

I would love us to do a deal for Young and your 3rd rounder (maybe even 4th rounder), maybe the Hawks will offload him to free up some cap space and keep Jordan Lewis?

 

[DunderHead]

Lisle and even a 3rd rounder would be ok by me. Lisle would go in the this draft somewhere not too far off from Panos (a round later) I would have thought.

I don't know what the hawks are going to do with him if they don't offload.

 

[CrazyQ]

I watched him in last weeks final, he did alright and showed some good signs. However he's too slow. His defender was on his arse the whole time pretty easily and the only way Lisle ever got the ball was when he took some tough contested marks.