Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

In France, they don't put up with it. They just show up and bash them.

 

[kranky al]

 

[Gethelred]

I think the problem is now we have a block of younger voters who are far enough removed temporarily from the ills of the 20th century that it doesn't ring true.

And they get political opinions from memes

Quite honestly, there are limitations to school based learning and one of the biggest is that it's undermined by lived experience. If your parents do not value education - I've heard from a boy in one of my classes, "Those that can, do; those that can't, teach." - you yourself are a slim chance to value education yourself.

Only when/if your parents have demonstrated for them the benefits of education - and let's face it, Australians have never truly been forced to look at a lack of education as something which has detrimentally affected them, so aflush with the overvaluing of trades that comes with our low population - is history valued, and even then it's looked as a hypothetical instead of a 'there but for the grace of god go I' thing.

The problems we're currently facing as a species are largely due to our first attempts as a species to form a technological version of a hive mind, the internet. We have near instant communication for everyone with access, but we do not have the societal level rules for how to use or feel about what we find on that communication matrix. We are burdened with nigh infinite knowledge but no reckoning about what we know is real or not.

And it is very, very easy to dismiss that which is fake or untrue.

It's rather ironic, but future generations will look at misinformation by a public figure - of the sort we find common in contemporary advertising, mere puffery - as a crime against the public. Publicly broadcast dishonesty will be viewed as criminally irresponsible, because that is what it is.

 

[liz]

It's rather ironic, but future generations will look at misinformation by a public figure - of the sort we find common in contemporary advertising, mere puffery - as a crime against the public. Publicly broadcast dishonesty will be viewed as criminally irresponsible, because that is what it is.

I desperately hope you’re right, but I’m not that optimistic. I can’t see a way out of our current abandonment of facts and truth.

 

[Gethelred]

I desperately hope you’re right, but I’m not that optimistic. I can’t see a way out of our current abandonment of facts and truth.

It's either that or we go through a violent recontextualisation of the current status quo - into which we will violently punish those who attempt to deceive the wider public - and the reason why I feel it will go the the softer path is because people's willingness to die has dampened significantly since life expectancy started to rise.

We'll see, but I think multiple people will kick up a massive fuss when an alternative is provided.

 

[10571z]

Do these fruit loops have jobs? How are they funding their lives

 

[liz]

It's either that or we go through a violent recontextualisation of the current status quo - into which we will violently punish those who attempt to deceive the wider public - and the reason why I feel it will go th the softer path is because people's willingness to die has dampened significantly since life expectancy started to rise.

We'll see, but I think multiple people will kick ip a massive fuss when an alternative is provided.

But the people digesting the misinformation don’t realise it. It’s like we have two parallel universes.

From time to time I have a bit of a crisis of confidence. Is my diet - mostly comprising the Guardian, MSNBC, with a few RawStory articles and the odd foray to the ABC - is that feeding me a fantasy world? Am I the one caught up in a web of misinformation?

 

[Gethelred]

But the people digesting the misinformation don’t realise it. It’s like we have two parallel universes.

From time to time I have a bit of a crisis of confidence. Is my diet - mostly comprising the Guardian, MSNBC, with a few RawStory articles and the odd foray to the ABC - is that feeding me a fantasy world? Am I the one caught up in a web of misinformation?

... and then you do a bit of digging. You look to the discoverable facts. You check out what everyone's saying, not just those you agree with, and you form as clear a picture of reality as you can.

No-one is immune from being wrong, so you're careful about how willing to act you are in the absence of information.

That, to me, is the difference: being willing to say, "I'm not sure," or "I don't know". Admitting that you don't have all the information, or at best an incomplete picture. This doesn't lock you into immobility, because it has a natural second and third step: getting more information.

I think an awful lot of people don't have the willingness to admit they don't have all the answers, and even if they did they mightn't have the time to really look into things.

 

[phantom13]

... and then you do a bit of digging. You look to the discoverable facts. You check out what everyone's saying, not just those you agree with, and you form as clear a picture of reality as you can.

No-one is immune from being wrong, so you're careful about how willing to act you are in the absence of information.

That, to me, is the difference: being wiling to say, "I'm not sure," or "I don't know". Admitting that you don't have all the information, or at best an incomplete picture. This doesn't lock you into immobility, because it has a natural second and third step: getting more information.

I think an awful lot of people don't have the willingness to admit they don't have all the answers, and even if they did they mightn't have the time to really look into things.

I think expanding on this is this idea that "doing your own research" is viewed as a noble pursuit by so many now.

Holocaust deniers in particular "oh i dont read mainstream misinformation, i know about jet fuel and burning bodies, couldnt have happened". Science and millions of witnesses along with cold hard evidence disprove all their talking points but they dont care because thats all part of the machine or whatever.

Trumpism smacks of this, forget logic and proof and history, ill ignore all that in favour of confirmation bias.

I dont know how but if we can somehow convince people to be rational in their questioning rather than wanting to be individuals (or whatever they wanna pretend they are) wed go a long way to combating it.

 

[Gethelred]

I think expanding on this is this idea that "doing your own research" is viewed as a noble pursuit by so many now.

Holocaust deniers in particular "oh i dont read mainstream misinformation, i know about jet fuel and burning bodies, couldnt have happened". Science and millions of witnesses along with cold hard evidence disprove all their talking points but they dont care because thats all part of the machine or whatever.

Trumpism smacks of this, forget logic and proof and history, ill ignore all that in favour of confirmation bias.

I dont know how but if we can somehow convince people to be rational in their questioning rather than wanting to be individuals (or whatever they wanna pretend they are) wed go a long way to combating it.

I really think the problem is how unwilling people are to just say, "I don't know," as though it's embarrassing not to know the answer or to be put on the spot or as though life were a gameshow in which you lost points for incorrect answers. If people were willing to raise their hands in the air and shrug when confronted with something they don't have enough information about, the culture wars simply wouldn't exist.

If your response to hearing something like tampons in men's bathrooms is to ask why instead of outrage or vehemence, you're going to receive an answer that will make sense to you.

 

[phantom13]

I really think the problem is how unwilling people are to just say, "I don't know," as though it's embarrassing not to know the answer or to be put on the spot or as though life were a gameshow in which you lost points for incorrect answers. If people were willing to raise their hands in the air and shrug when confronted with something they don't have enough information about, the culture wars simply wouldn't exist.

If your response to hearing something like tampons in men's bathrooms is to ask why instead of outrage or vehemence, you're going to receive an answer that will make sense to you.

Yeh listen more than you talk. Especially when it comes to lived experience stuff.

 

[liz]

Yeh listen more than you talk. Especially when it comes to lived experience stuff.

One of my favourite quotes is from Oliver Wendall Holmes. I have it printed out and stuck on the wall of my study.

It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.

 

[CM86]

Always important to remember.

Even on here, there is not that many of these people. They are just highly active and deliberately trying to seem more accepted and more encompassing.


They are a threat, they are growing. But we can still fight back.
Their aim is to make us think we are outnumbered and outpowered. We aren't.

 

[Soggy2112]

I think expanding on this is this idea that "doing your own research" is viewed as a noble pursuit by so many now.

Holocaust deniers in particular "oh i dont read mainstream misinformation, i know about jet fuel and burning bodies, couldnt have happened". Science and millions of witnesses along with cold hard evidence disprove all their talking points but they dont care because thats all part of the machine or whatever.

Trumpism smacks of this, forget logic and proof and history, ill ignore all that in favour of confirmation bias.

I dont know how but if we can somehow convince people to be rational in their questioning rather than wanting to be individuals (or whatever they wanna pretend they are) wed go a long way to combating it.

The “do your own research” phrase is so flawed because a good chunk of the population don’t actually know how to.

You have to be able to interpret the context of research and determine the validity of a source, then make accurate links to the initial question, in order to be able to research correctly.

However, I’d say most peoples version of “research” amounts to reading an article or watching a video and deciding whether the information “sounds right”.

So yeah, if you can do your own research, do it. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with deferring to what the expert consensus is. You’ll get the right answer more times than not.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Popping up everywhere. Remember when ASIO warned us about this and Dutton refused to acknowledge it…

Emily recognised her son on TV. He was standing with a group of Neo-Nazis

These families never imagined their loved ones would be drawn to Neo-Nazi groups. Now they're fighting to get them back and begging the government to help.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Celebrity 101]

Does exercising in public now make you a neo nazi. Maybe I’ll be called a Nazi now, despite me being a Jew, for calling this rubbish out.

Just like the supposed rise of antisemitism within Australia, no jew I know is scared to leave their home or has been harassed for being Jewish.

Maybe the big media should stop grifting to Dvir Abramovich and his ADL cucks who bring a bad name to all of us Jews.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Does exercising in public now make you a neo nazi. Maybe I’ll be called a Nazi now, despite me being a Jew, for calling this rubbish out.

Just like the supposed rise of antisemitism within Australia, no jew I know is scared to leave their home or has been harassed for being Jewish.

Maybe the big media should stop grifting to Dvir Abramovich and his ADL cucks who bring a bad name to all of us Jews.

If you are hanging out with neo nazis then yes, maybe you will get labelled as a neo nazi.

 

[faible]

Does exercising in public now make you a neo nazi. Maybe I’ll be called a Nazi now, despite me being a Jew, for calling this rubbish out.

Just like the supposed rise of antisemitism within Australia, no jew I know is scared to leave their home or has been harassed for being Jewish.

Maybe the big media should stop grifting to Dvir Abramovich and his ADL cucks who bring a bad name to all of us Jews.

Did you watch the video you linked?

They're not neo-nazi's because they're exercising in public.

 

[Chief]

Does exercising in public now make you a neo nazi.

No. Being a neo-Nazi makes you a neo-Nazi.

 

[Gralin]

Does exercising in public now make you a neo nazi. Maybe I’ll be called a Nazi now, despite me being a Jew, for calling this rubbish out.

Just like the supposed rise of antisemitism within Australia, no jew I know is scared to leave their home or has been harassed for being Jewish.

Maybe the big media should stop grifting to Dvir Abramovich and his ADL cucks who bring a bad name to all of us Jews.

Don't train with Jacob Hersant and his NSN buddies maybe







That flag on the right there is the NSN flag

 

[Gralin]

If you're wondering why they're running exercise sessions in a park

Or there was all those protests against their sunshine boxing gym

It's because they use those things to groom teens and grow their ranks

Emily recognised her son on TV. He was standing with a group of Neo-Nazis

These families never imagined their loved ones would be drawn to Neo-Nazi groups. Now they're fighting to get them back and begging the government to help.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Don't train with Jacob Hersant and his NSN buddies maybe




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That flag on the right there is the NSN flag

Never stops being funny how ****ing ferret headed ugly the 'master race' are.

 

[Cyber_punk]

If you're wondering why they're running exercise sessions in a park

Or there was all those protests against their sunshine boxing gym

It's because they use those things to groom teens and grow their ranks

Emily recognised her son on TV. He was standing with a group of Neo-Nazis

These families never imagined their loved ones would be drawn to Neo-Nazi groups. Now they're fighting to get them back and begging the government to help.

www.abc.net.au

Also worth mentioning that while some probably think of these groups consisting of only incels that struggle with women, many of them do have wives/partners as seen in that article who are happy to play tradwife. The group is grooming young women as well, as those brothers described.

 

[H00t]

Don't train with Jacob Hersant and his NSN buddies maybe




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That flag on the right there is the NSN flag

Same symbol was on the bottom of an anti-trans leaflet that was spread around Ballarat last weekend.

 

[Gough]

If you're wondering why they're running exercise sessions in a park

Or there was all those protests against their sunshine boxing gym

It's because they use those things to groom teens and grow their ranks

Emily recognised her son on TV. He was standing with a group of Neo-Nazis

These families never imagined their loved ones would be drawn to Neo-Nazi groups. Now they're fighting to get them back and begging the government to help.

www.abc.net.au

UFC has played a part in the rise of Trump, and if I was a far right recruiter I'd be looking at gyms too. A few roids, a dab of speed, a bit of indoctrination, and all of a sudden your puny incel is putty in your hands.