Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners

[Gralin]

I didnt use a paper.

I used stats.

Not only that but you dont actually give any real argument except to say the paper got it wrong.

Also out of the 667000 overseas migration figures in the 2023-24 year you fail to look at the numbers outside of some arbitrary 'scary' number.

Not only that, but it is important to note that the number includes:

- permanent visas 91k
-Aus citizens 60k
-NZ citizens 51k

• Overseas students 207k
• Visitors 90k
• Working holiday makers 60k
• Temporary skilled visas 49k

Edit: on the dwelling figure your argument about families is an interesting case in point. I would suggest families are less likely to live in a multi generational dwelling and the I'd also argue that the concept of having siblings share rooms is less likely to occur these days.

Also net migration was 446k not 667k

Something else they always gloss over

 

[Drought Break]

Ok comrade

Chicken . Hey are you the dude that won flog of the year recently on bay 13? Surprised you haven’t progressed to BF moderator.

 

[Barrybran]

Spotted this on Reddit

 

[Saint Shags]

What you did was a google search and got an AI answer which used the paper I linked to. Always go to the source son. The devil is in the detail.



The paper made asssumptions about the variables that affected house prices that are demonstrably wrong. Its an opinion piece from a left leaning organization.




They all need a roof over their heads, transport, infrastructure, health service etc.

I'd suggest you are making a fair amount of assumptions.

But hey its the immigrants that push house prices up so much.
Not the people with multiple properties that make it tougher for others to get into the market.

 

[phantom13]

Spotted this on Reddit

The uber race using those highly tuned critical thinking skills there.

Also THAT is peak Aussie culture and must be protected at all costs.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Chicken . Hey are you the dude that won flog of the year recently on bay 13? Surprised you haven’t progressed to BF moderator.

Were you thinking of going to the Nazi march mate? Yes or no.

 

[Saint Shags]

Spotted this on Reddit

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

A known Neo-Nazi adressed the crowd. Police protect the Nazis by pushing back counter protestors with riot gear.
Lebanese man Bob Katter goes to protest.

 

[stefcep]

The mega rich have known for centuries that the best way to keep the working and middle class from figuring out that they’re getting screwed and fighting back is to convince the white people in the middle and working class that it is the brown people in the middle and working class’ fault.

This whole protest is straight out of that textbook. Blaming decreasing housing affordability on immigration is the perfect scapegoat so that the wealthy can continue to profit off the system that is designed to benefit them. All you need is a sprinkle of fear mongering and racism and now you can successfully divide and conquer.

That's the wrong interpretation. Mass immigration is the vehicle through which housing affordability is decreased to benefit the wealthy who hold those assets, and build more of those assets, reduce workers real incomes enslaving them in debt for decades to pay for it all.

Tax policy reform is the most recent smoke screen: removing NG and CGT concession will at most reduce house prices by 2% co-incidentally the exact amount by which rents wil increase.

 

[phantom13]

That's the wrong interpretation. Mass immigration is the vehicle through which housing affordability is decreased to benefit the wealthy who hold those assets, and build more of those assets, reduce workers real incomes enslaving them in debt for decades to pay for it all.

Tax policy reform is the most recent smoke screen: removing NG and CGT concession will at most reduce house prices by 2% co-incidentally the exact amount by which rents wil increase.

So stop the colored peiple and keep my tax break.

Sounds totally legit and not at all a specific beneficial viewpoint.

 

[stefcep]

I'd suggest you are making a fair amount of assumptions.

But hey its the immigrants that push house prices up so much.
Not the people with multiple properties that make it tougher for others to get into the market.

So have you actually informed yourself about who and how many own multiple properties?

 

[schneebly111]

 

[Soggy2112]

That may be what you took away from that but I took away a message of death to Australia, burning of the Australian flag. Rampant anti semitism.

But that's not the point. The point is that it's dumb to paint the entirety of a protest as emblematic of its worst participants. So dumb that i actually dont believe Phantom thinks that and is actually just using it as an easy crutch for polticial point scoring. If you say your opponent is a Nazi you get an easy interet point... but its just a lazy and sjit argument that no one actually believes in. Other than mouth breathing lefties who love it.

I’m not saying the protest is a Nazi movement, however it isn’t a great sign that self described national socialists and neo Nazis saw this movement as the one to align itself with.

But seriously, what is the overall message of this rally?

Btw, criticism of Israel and anti-semitism are not one and the same, no matter how much the supporters of Israel will try and twist it to be.

 

[Saint Shags]

So have you actually informed yourself about who and how many own multiple properties?

Well you were the one who spouted that it was so good that you were making money off of multiple properties owned.

Don't get shitty when it gets thrown back in your face.

 

[schneebly111]

I don’t know why there’s so much talk about migrants and economics and housing and wages etc on this thread.

I didn’t hear any of that at today’s speeches. It was all about “culture” and “values” and “race” and “purity” and “outsiders”

Nothing about economics

 

[bigfarter]

I don’t know why there’s so much talk about migrants and economics and housing and wages etc on this thread.

I didn’t hear any of that at today’s speeches. It was all about “culture” and “values” and “race” and “purity” and “outsiders”

Nothing about economics

Because people are trying to mask the racism behind "legitimate concerns".

"It's not anti-immigration - it's anti MASS immigration" as if the people who spoke at the rallies would stop at "mass immigration" ceasing. It's always about pushing further and further and normalising fascist ideals. Trying to couch it behind legitimate concerns is utter cowardice and pathetic.

 

[the_interloper]

Ok so I think they all finish their speeches with "Aussie Aussie Aussie", one bloke ****ed it up, started with 3 the loser.

So at the Sydney rally they didn't have the Nazis as official speakers it seemed, but on "open mic" time the leader of the NSN was coincidentally picked to speak first. He finished his speech with "Blood and Honour" which I believe is their slogan, yeah def a recruitment drive

 

[Soggy2112]

That's the wrong interpretation. Mass immigration is the vehicle through which housing affordability is decreased to benefit the wealthy who hold those assets, and build more of those assets, reduce workers real incomes enslaving them in debt for decades to pay for it all.

Tax policy reform is the most recent smoke screen: removing NG and CGT concession will at most reduce house prices by 2% co-incidentally the exact amount by which rents wil increase.

HAHAHAHAHA ****ing hell you’ve just told us that you own multiple properties.

You are literally, the beneficiary of the system that allows wealthy people to use property to expand their wealth.

Now, here you are, trying to convince me, a middle class white person, that it’s the immigrants fault that my mortgage is really high. You are literally the personification of the point I was making.

Btw you never answered my question about what you mean by prioritising immigrants who will assimilate? If that to you is a core message of this movement I think it’s important that you explain what you mean.

 

[phantom13]

Ok so I think they all finish their speeches with "Aussie Aussie Aussie", one bloke ****ed it up, started with 3 the loser.

So at the Sydney rally they didn't have the Nazis as official speakers it seemed, but on "open mic" time the leader of the NSN was coincidentally picked to speak first. He finished his speech with "Blood and Honour" which I believe is their slogan, yeah def a recruitment drive

They pretty openly stated wherever they could it was official and a recruitment drive.

It’s the main reason I have zero sympathy for anyone who went today.

 

[stefcep]

Well you were the one who spouted that it was so good that you were making money off of multiple properties owned.

Don't get shitty when it gets thrown back in your face.

It was a genuine question. FYI Less than 10% own more 3 or more properties. 72% only own one. Most are NOT negatively geared. Younger generations are now becoming the dominant rental property owners. NG and CGT are not the causes and neither are the boomers.

 

[the_interloper]

They pretty openly stated wherever they could it was official and a recruitment drive.

It’s the main reason I have zero sympathy for anyone who went today.

Gonna be awkward if I speak to anyone who did, reckon there's a chance a bloke I work with went, or at least supports it.

 

[demondavey]

So have you actually informed yourself about who and how many own multiple properties?

White Boomers

 

[bigfarter]

"Just because some Nazis showed up and a very prominent one spoke doesn't mean everyone there is a Nazi!"

This is factually true and yet I don't see any footage of anybody at the rally booing the Nazis or telling them they weren't welcome. If I were at an event and Nazis showed up I would make it very clear where I stood. Attendees at these rallies didn't feel so compelled I guess.

 

[demondavey]

Does anyone know what Thomas Sewell does for a job? I mean, how would he actually get a job and keep one?

 

[Saint Shags]

It was a genuine question. FYI Less than 10% own more 3 or more properties. 72% only own one. Most are NOT negatively geared. Younger generations are now becoming the dominant rental property owners. NG and CGT are not the causes and neither are the boomers.

2.2 million Australians own a least 1 investment property.
So that would suggest that at minimum that is 4.4 million properties. Not including the multiple properties.


At the 2021 census there were nearly 9.8 million households.

Again I would suggest that this goes a long way to influencing the cost of housing.