Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners

[demondavey]

Their laws were more lax than ours.

I'm not denying it would be hard for someone to get one here. Just not impossible if they are motivated enough.

IIRC Tarrant was strongly considering carrying out the attack in Australia but wanted to send the message that nowhere was safe and that it could happen anywhere, and he eventually chose NZ.

I guess it might have been harder to get that firearm over here? What an oxygen thief he is. Isn’t he in solitary permanently over there? Zero access to anything or anyone? Given how dogged his beliefs were you’d think after a year or two he’d be really struggling with existing. I mean, wow, imagine it.

 

[Cyber_punk]

I guess it might have been harder to get that firearm over here? What an oxygen thief he is. Isn’t he in solitary permanently over there? Zero access to anything or anyone? Given how dogged his beliefs were you’d think after a year or two he’d be really struggling with existing. I mean, wow, imagine it.

Yes. I was surprised too. I thought their laws would have been like ours. Maybe he would have tried to get one on the black market though, who knows.

I don't know what his conditions are now but he was whining about "inhumane" treatment a couple of years back due to the solitary confinement and lack of TV/newspapers/Internet. Not too different from Anders Breivik when he complained having a ps3, and not a ps4, was torture.

 

[demondavey]

Yes. I was surprised too. I thought their laws would have been like ours. Maybe he would have tried to get one on the black market though, who knows.

I don't know what his conditions are now but he was whining about "inhumane" treatment a couple of years back due to the solitary confinement and lack of TV/newspapers/Internet. Not too different from Anders Breivik when he complained having a ps3, and not a ps4, was torture.

You’d think he’d have the absolute bare minimum. He should have it anyway. Zero information from the outside world. No privileges.

 

[demondavey]

Yes. I was surprised too. I thought their laws would have been like ours. Maybe he would have tried to get one on the black market though, who knows.

I don't know what his conditions are now but he was whining about "inhumane" treatment a couple of years back due to the solitary confinement and lack of TV/newspapers/Internet. Not too different from Anders Breivik when he complained having a ps3, and not a ps4, was torture.

Committee slams ‘brutal’ conditions in super-maxi prison - Law News

One of The Law Association’s committees has criticised the “brutal” regime at New Zealand’s most secure prison unit after an official report raised concerns that it is breaching international rules on solitary confinement. The Prisoners of Extreme Risk Unit (PERU), commonly known as...

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I think it’s pretty grim over there. I am not suggesting it should not be, but life would be pretty bad.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Sign the Petition

Deport New Zealand born immigrant Thomas Sewell

chng.it

 

[Gralin]

Sign the Petition

Deport New Zealand born immigrant Thomas Sewell

chng.it

He's lived here since he was a child, went to Balwyn high school

Reckon he's our problem to deal with

 

[the_interloper]

About ****ing time. Export him ASAP.

**** off we're full!

 

[kalex6251]

He's lived here since he was a child, went to Balwyn high school

Reckon he's our problem to deal with

send him to nauru?

 

[Carringbush2010]

I feel like it's more this, I mean they ban swastikas and the Nazi salute, other than that I'm not sure what else they can do. Other than pinging them for a crime and trying to shut down the club via those RICO type laws someone (Gough maybe) posted earlier.

This is exactly the problem, and it's not the only problem.

Seems to me that because of our liberalism and freedom we are limited in opposing, as it allows everyone 'freedom of speech' but there is little consequence or deterrent.

The government(s) and by extention their police forces need more permission to apply accountability. In short we need more socialistic elements to oppose hate speech.

Yes I know there are laws to counter that, but here we are.

I say this advocating for freedom for all, and as a cousin of a member of the Victoria police force, some of those force members I'd quite happily accuse of agreeing with the sentiment of racists and even neo nazis. Shame.

It's because policing has always done the bidding of those in real power.

Agreed, like I said not the only problem. There certainly seems to be that our liberalism and freedom for 'all' is the major problem.

I'm certainly sold that there are members of parliament and police who are sympathetic to anti immigrant views, and most definitely sold that they'd number in the few, and most definitely convinced that our lack of consequence / deterrence is the major cause of allowing people like neo nazis a platform.

 

[Gralin]

send him to nauru?

Nah I'd prefer we just deal with him here given this is where he grew up and became a nazi

 

[kalex6251]

Nah I'd prefer we just deal with him here given this is where he grew up and became a nazi

caught the end of a tv show called the good fight during the covid years (or not long after)

anyhoo long story short - they explored a story line where violent white supremacists were secretly removed from american soil and sent to an off-the-book prison in antarctica

nice idea in theory

[edit] heard island looks nice - bit cold but im sure his cosplay black jacket will help

 

[Gralin]

Herald Sun really talking to their base

 

[rank and file]

Racism,1/2 a star.

 

[demondavey]

Herald Sun really talking to their base

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Wonder how they reported the Christchurch massacre?

‘An intimidated and threatened Brenton Tarrant reacted angrily upon learning that immigration was on the rise in NZ’

 

[Stottzy]

Jacinta Allen literally should have just said "shutup you dumb c$^t" rather than take off today. Her approval rating would have sky rocketed.

 

[demondavey]

Jacinta Allen literally should have just said "shutup you dumb c$^t" rather than take off today. Her approval rating would have sky rocketed.

Allen doesn’t have the guts to call for Parliament to expel him. She’s more interested in being reelected. Albanese won’t do it either.

 

[demondavey]

This is exactly the problem, and it's not the only problem.

Seems to me that because of our liberalism and freedom we are limited in opposing, as it allows everyone 'freedom of speech' but there is little consequence or deterrent.

The government(s) and by extention their police forces need more permission to apply accountability. In short we need more socialistic elements to oppose hate speech.

Yes I know there are laws to counter that, but here we are.

I say this advocating for freedom for all, and as a cousin of a member of the Victoria police force, some of those force members I'd quite happily accuse of agreeing with the sentiment of racists and even neo nazis. Shame.

Agreed, like I said not the only problem. There certainly seems to be that our liberalism and freedom for 'all' is the major problem.

I'm certainly sold that there are members of parliament and police who are sympathetic to anti immigrant views, and most definitely sold that they'd number in the few, and most definitely convinced that our lack of consequence / deterrence is the major cause of allowing people like neo nazis a platform.

There’d be a lot of police officers who’d be highly sympathetic to Sewell and his ideologies. Unfortunately it attracts some with only one oar in the water.

 

[demondavey]

New Laws Pass To Combat Organised And Serious Crime

New laws introduced by the Allan Labor Government to crack down on organised crime and bikie gangs have passed Parliament. Under the Criminal Organisations Control Amendment Act 2024, new and improved laws will strengthen Victoria’s unlawful association scheme, introduce a new serious crime...

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Could these laws be applied to the NSN?

The issue is that the threats bikies pose are very real in that they involve drug manufacturing, trafficking and deliberate violence towards themselves and members of the public. They’re so condemned by both sides of government.

The issue with the NSN is that once the left start banning it or threatening its prosecution for public rallies the right will condemn them for contravening free speech. The right are not intelligent. They’ll forget very quickly that their ancestors fought in WW2 against fascists and are motivated by Trump politics. This will be weaponised to divide votes and persuade marginal seats that ‘you’ll be next’ in that ‘the left will take away your rights as well’ and they’ll wrap it up as a Marxist communist package.

Labor are literally too worried about outlawing or banning them, because the next Liberal government in power will extend those bans to real protest issues like climate change, wage rights, industrial rights etc.

Their best chance at this is to have Sewell under almost daily monitoring and look to nab him for anything, example, charge him and jail him for Sunday’s violent outburst. We are best keeping him under our nose and breaking him down slowly and looking to jail these people at any chance. A prison record isn’t getting scrubbed off.

 

[Gralin]

The issue is that the threats bikies pose are very real in that they involve drug manufacturing, trafficking and deliberate violence towards themselves and members of the public. They’re so condemned by both sides of government.

The issue with the NSN is that once the left start banning it or threatening its prosecution for public rallies the right will condemn them for contravening free speech. The right are not intelligent. They’ll forget very quickly that their ancestors fought in WW2 against fascists and are motivated by Trump politics. This will be weaponised to divide votes and persuade marginal seats that ‘you’ll be next’ in that ‘the left will take away your rights as well’ and they’ll wrap it up as a Marxist communist package.

Labor are literally too worried about outlawing or banning them, because the Liberal government in power will extend those bans to real protest issues like climate change, wage rights, industrial rights etc.

Their best chance at this is to have Sewell under almost daily monitoring and look to nab him for anything, example, charge him and jail him for Sunday’s violent outburst. We are best keeping him under our nose and breaking him down slowly and looking to jail these people at any chance. A prison record isn’t getting scrubbed off.

We fought in WW2 to maintain British Imperialism not to fight nazism

There were large fascist movements here and in the UK as well as the US

They were quite fine with Germany being nazi until Hitler decided he wanted to rule it all.

History rewrites it a bit

 

[Carringbush2010]

There’d be a lot of police officers who’d be highly sympathetic to Sewell and his ideologies. Unfortunately it attracts some with only one oar in the water.

Not sure how much a lot is, my cousin hasn't met any who are sympathetic.

Sure, there probably is some dunno how many, pretty sure it's not a number that'd shift the needle.

 

[Gralin]

Not sure how much a lot is, my cousin hasn't met any who are sympathetic.

Sure, there probably is some dunno how many, pretty sure it's not a number that'd shift the needle.

You're always sure of that though Carrie

On every topic, all the time, regardless of reality

 

[demondavey]

Not sure how much a lot is, my cousin hasn't met any who are sympathetic.

Sure, there probably is some dunno how many, pretty sure it's not a number that'd shift the needle.

You’re probably right.

I am personally pretty filthy on this whole thing. Attacking the indigenous camp was incredibly cowardly and if these idiots aren’t jailed then god knows what this country has come to.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Attacking the indigenous camp was incredibly cowardly and if these idiots aren’t jailed then god knows what this country has come to.

Too late.

This country, and probably most of the liberal democracies around the world have become too soft, hence lack of consequences / deterrences, hence pos like sewell allowed platform to spruik bs on the steps of parliament.

 

[demondavey]

We fought in WW2 to maintain British Imperialism not to fight nazism

There were large fascist movements here and in the UK as well as the US

They were quite fine with Germany being nazi until Hitler decided he wanted to rule it all.

History rewrites it a bit

I said we fought against fascists. In short we didn’t want their ideologies permeating Europe coupled with Japan taking power in the South Pacific.

I am not saying we are cleanskins, but I am saying we knew what they stood for and didn’t want them getting too powerful. I don’t think many western countries found the Nazis palatable even when they hadn’t reached their zenith.

Anyway, a lot of this is academic. Sewell needs a jail sentence for his violent assault. If we can’t issue that then this state has got no clout.

 

[demondavey]

Too late.

This country, and probably most of the liberal democracies around the world have become too soft, hence lack of consequences / deterrences, hence pos like sewell allowed platform to spruik bs on the steps of parliament.

Be very different if it was an Islamic protest.