Resource Beyond the "66 Game" Rebuild

[Blue and Blue]

Oh the R word.
Its now of historical interest only.

 

[thylacine60]

useful only for reflection and review now..........

 

[Arr0w]

Lions of 2017, 18 games in - Wins 4, For 82, Against 117, Margin -35
Carlton of 2019, 18 games in - Wins 6, For 75, Against 85, Margin -10

Lions of 2018, 18 games in - Wins 4, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Officially a year ahead of the Lions rebuild. Players will be jumping over themselves to be a part of our future success

Have left this for a couple of weeks

Lions of 2017, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 86, Against 114, Margin -28
Carlton of 2019, 21 games in - Wins 7, For 74, Against 85, Margin -11

Lions of 2018, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Still officially well and truly ahead of the Lions rebuild

Edited: number of games now corrected

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Have left this for a couple of weeks

Lions of 2017, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 86, Against 114, Margin -28
Carlton of 2019, 18 games in - Wins 7, For 74, Against 85, Margin -11

Lions of 2018, 18 games in - Wins 5, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Still officially well and truly ahead of the Lions rebuild

And we’re the last team to beat them. Do we have a right of challenge in case they win the flag?

 

[Yubby]

Here's the ladder from round 12 onward which is when Teague took over.

We would be 7th on the ladder over this period, 6th for most points scored, 10th for points against all whilst having the 7th hardest draw over this period (lower complexity the harder the draw).

All bodes well for 2020 especially with hopefully a full and healthy list.

Team

Games

Wins

Draw

Loss

Points

For

Against

%

Complexity

For

Against

1

Lions

10​

9​

0​

1​

36​

967​

676​

143%​

76​

1​

Lions

967​

Cats

650​

2

Tigers

10​

8​

0​

2​

32​

905​

716​

126%​

76​

2​

Eagles

936​

Lions

676​

3

Dogs

10​

7​

0​

3​

28​

932​

722​

129%​

88​

3​

Dogs

932​

Hawks

682​

4

Eagles

10​

7​

0​

3​

28​

936​

760​

123%​

95​

4​

Tigers

905​

Tigers

716​

5

Dons

10​

7​

0​

3​

28​

795​

890​

89%​

80​

5​

Roos

832​

Swans

718​

6

Pies

10​

6​

0​

4​

24​

803​

727​

110%​

84​

6​

Blues

810​

Dogs

722​

7

Blues

10​

6​

0​

4​

24​

810​

783​

103%​

91​

7​

Pies

803​

Pies

727​

8

Cats

10​

5​

0​

5​

20​

767​

650​

118%​

98​

8​

Crows

802​

Roos

758​

9

Hawks

10​

5​

0​

5​

20​

774​

682​

113%​

97​

9​

Dons

795​

Eagles

760​

10

Roos

10​

5​

0​

5​

20​

832​

758​

110%​

97​

10​

Swans

782​

Blues

783​

11

Swans

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

782​

718​

109%​

79​

11​

Hawks

774​

Port

787​

12

Crows

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

802​

839​

96%​

98​

12​

Saints

769​

Freo

833​

13

Port

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

743​

787​

94%​

108​

13​

Cats

767​

Giants

837​

14

Giants

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

719​

837​

86%​

118​

14​

Port

743​

Crows

839​

15

Saints

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

769​

903​

85%​

96​

15​

Giants

719​

Dons

890​

16

Freo

10​

3​

0​

7​

12​

667​

833​

80%​

98​

16​

Dees

705​

Saints

903​

17

Dees

10​

2​

0​

8​

8​

705​

903​

78%​

119​

17​

Freo

667​

Dees

903​

18

Suns

10​

0​

0​

10​

0​

636​

1160​

55%​

112​

18​

Suns

636​

Suns

1160​

 

[Arr0w]

Have left this for a couple of weeks

Lions of 2017, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 86, Against 114, Margin -28
Carlton of 2019, 21 games in - Wins 7, For 74, Against 85, Margin -11

Lions of 2018, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Still officially well and truly ahead of the Lions rebuild

Edited: number of games now corrected

Lions of 2017, 22 games in - Wins 5, For 85, Against 115, Margin -30
Carlton of 2019, 22 games in - Wins 7, For 73, Against 87, Margin -14

Lions of 2018, 22 games in - Wins 5, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Still officially well and truly ahead of the Lions rebuild and nearly on par with what the Lions achieved last year in terms of margins, yet we have more wins

 

[RPCB]

Here's the ladder from round 12 onward which is when Teague took over.

We would be 7th on the ladder over this period, 6th for most points scored, 10th for points against all whilst having the 7th hardest draw over this period (lower complexity the harder the draw).

All bodes well for 2020 especially with hopefully a full and healthy list.

Team

Games

Wins

Draw

Loss

Points

For

Against

%

Complexity

For

Against

1

Lions

10​

9​

0​

1​

36​

967​

676​

143%​

76​

1​

Lions

967​

Cats

650​

2

Tigers

10​

8​

0​

2​

32​

905​

716​

126%​

76​

2​

Eagles

936​

Lions

676​

3

Dogs

10​

7​

0​

3​

28​

932​

722​

129%​

88​

3​

Dogs

932​

Hawks

682​

4

Eagles

10​

7​

0​

3​

28​

936​

760​

123%​

95​

4​

Tigers

905​

Tigers

716​

5

Dons

10​

7​

0​

3​

28​

795​

890​

89%​

80​

5​

Roos

832​

Swans

718​

6

Pies

10​

6​

0​

4​

24​

803​

727​

110%​

84​

6​

Blues

810​

Dogs

722​

7

Blues

10​

6​

0​

4​

24​

810​

783​

103%​

91​

7​

Pies

803​

Pies

727​

8

Cats

10​

5​

0​

5​

20​

767​

650​

118%​

98​

8​

Crows

802​

Roos

758​

9

Hawks

10​

5​

0​

5​

20​

774​

682​

113%​

97​

9​

Dons

795​

Eagles

760​

10

Roos

10​

5​

0​

5​

20​

832​

758​

110%​

97​

10​

Swans

782​

Blues

783​

11

Swans

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

782​

718​

109%​

79​

11​

Hawks

774​

Port

787​

12

Crows

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

802​

839​

96%​

98​

12​

Saints

769​

Freo

833​

13

Port

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

743​

787​

94%​

108​

13​

Cats

767​

Giants

837​

14

Giants

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

719​

837​

86%​

118​

14​

Port

743​

Crows

839​

15

Saints

10​

4​

0​

6​

16​

769​

903​

85%​

96​

15​

Giants

719​

Dons

890​

16

Freo

10​

3​

0​

7​

12​

667​

833​

80%​

98​

16​

Dees

705​

Saints

903​

17

Dees

10​

2​

0​

8​

8​

705​

903​

78%​

119​

17​

Freo

667​

Dees

903​

18

Suns

10​

0​

0​

10​

0​

636​

1160​

55%​

112​

18​

Suns

636​

Suns

1160​

Damn. I didn’t realise the Lions were 9-1 in the last 10, so their only loss came against us. That is our best and we’ve beaten some very good sides and kept others close, with Teague in charge.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Lions of 2017, 22 games in - Wins 5, For 85, Against 115, Margin -30
Carlton of 2019, 22 games in - Wins 7, For 73, Against 87, Margin -14

Lions of 2018, 22 games in - Wins 5, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Still officially well and truly ahead of the Lions rebuild and nearly on par with what the Lions achieved last year in terms of margins, yet we have more wins

Great work Arr0w. You’re predictions this year have been in the same league as Nostradamus. What’s your quatrain for next season?

 

[Arr0w]

Great work Arr0w. You’re predictions this year have been in the same league as Nostradamus. What’s your quatrain for next season?

Hasn't changed since June 2018

Prediction - Bookmarked

2020 is when we will be a contender to make finals 10 -13 wins 2019 7-9 wins Our list age average will be younger, start of next year, than at the start of this year

www.bigfooty.com

8-13 wins, based purely on natural development of the core group. That would change depending on acquisitions

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Hasn't changed since June 2018

Prediction - Bookmarked

2020 is when we will be a contender to make finals 10 -13 wins 2019 7-9 wins Our list age average will be younger, start of next year, than at the start of this year

www.bigfooty.com

8-13 wins, based purely on natural development of the core group. That would change depending on acquisitions

I’m a one week at a time man. At my age it’s dangerous to look too far ahead.

 

[Yubby]

Here we go, the final table for the season. This is from round 12 on wards when Teague took over.

Has us 10th on the ladder over this period having played 5 of the top 8 form teams over this period and losing to 4 of them. Dropped to 11th for points scored and 12th for points conceded. Complexity was still the 7th hardest draw over this period.

Team

Games

Wins

Draw

Loss

Points

For

Against

%

Complexity

For

Against

1

Lions

11​

9​

0​

2​

36​

1022​

758​

135%​

95​

1​

Dogs

1053​

Cats

711​

2

Tigers

11​

9​

0​

2​

36​

987​

771​

128%​

93​

2​

Lions

1022​

Hawks

749​

3

Dogs

11​

8​

0​

3​

32​

1053​

809​

130%​

93​

3​

Eagles

1003​

Lions

758​

4

Eagles

11​

7​

0​

4​

28​

1003​

865​

116%​

103​

4​

Tigers

987​

Tigers

771​

5

Pies

11​

7​

0​

4​

28​

879​

792​

111%​

98​

5​

Roos

920​

Swans

782​

6

Dons

11​

7​

0​

4​

28​

860​

966​

89%​

96​

6​

Cats

896​

Pies

792​

7

Cats

11​

6​

0​

5​

24​

896​

711​

126%​

108​

7​

Swans

891​

Dogs

809​

8

Hawks

11​

6​

0​

5​

24​

879​

749​

117%​

115​

8​

Crows

889​

Roos

841​

9

Roos

11​

6​

0​

5​

24​

920​

841​

109%​

103​

9​

Pies

879​

Port

854​

10

Blues

11​

6​

0​

5​

24​

871​

912​

96%​

101​

10​

Hawks

879​

Eagles

865​

11

Swans

11​

5​

0​

6​

20​

891​

782​

114%​

83​

11​

Blues

871​

Giants

892​

12

Port

11​

5​

0​

6​

20​

853​

854​

100%​

111​

12​

Dons

860​

Blues

912​

13

Giants

11​

5​

0​

6​

20​

846​

892​

95%​

120​

13​

Port

853​

Freo

943​

14

Crows

11​

4​

0​

7​

16​

889​

960​

93%​

114​

14​

Giants

846​

Crows

960​

15

Saints

11​

4​

0​

7​

16​

833​

1012​

82%​

101​

15​

Saints

833​

Dons

966​

16

Freo

11​

3​

0​

8​

12​

734​

943​

78%​

104​

16​

Dees

788​

Dees

991​

17

Dees

11​

2​

0​

9​

8​

788​

991​

80%​

128​

17​

Freo

734​

Saints

1012​

18

Suns

11​

0​

0​

11​

0​

691​

1287​

54%​

115​

18​

Suns

691​

Suns

1287​

 

[Jeremias]

Time for an update now that our 2019 season has come to a close.

I decided to change things up a little this year - rather than providing weekly updates, I thought a larger body of work may provide greater insight into our progress.

With that in mind, here are our AFL Player Ratings ('current' youth only) as at the conclusion of R23:

Cripps - 8
Fisher - 208
Petrevski-Seton - 217
Curnow - 225
Dow - 239
Weitering - 251
Plowman - 261
McKay- 302
McGovern - 335
Silvagni - 351
Walsh - 359
Kennedy - 418
Marchbank - 422
Gibbons - 442
O'Brien - 456
Lang - 476
Cuningham - 489
Setterfield - 532
Polson - 544
Garlett - 550
Deluca - 597
Kerr - 658
Stocker - 661
Goddard - 681
De Koning - 688
Williamson - 693
Schumacher - 700
Macreadie - 701

YTD movement (Post 2018 GF/First Rating - Current)

Walsh +295
Gibbons +204
Dow +172
Setterfield +171
McKay +157
O'Brien +86
Petrevski-Seton +72
Fisher +57
Weitering +35
Polson +27
Garlett +27
McGovern +23
Deluca +23
Silvagni +22
Cuningham +19
Stocker +13
Goddard +13
Cripps +11
Kerr +4

Schumacher 0

De Koning -1
Marchbank -21
Lang -37
Plowman -42
Kennedy -46
Macreadie -82
Curnow -95
Williamson -154

Games into 'Youth'

2016 - 110 games
2017 - 221 games
2018 - 257 games
2019 - 327 games

22 - Walsh, Petrevski-Seton
21 - Gibbons, Fisher, Plowman
20 - McKay, Weitering, Cripps
19 - Dow
18 - Setterfield
17 - O'Brien, Silvagni
16 - McGovern
13 - Marchbank
11 - Curnow
10 - Kennedy
9 - Cuningham
8 - Lang
6 - Deluca
5 - Stocker
3 - Polson
2 - Garlett, Goddard, Williamson
1 - Schumacher, Macreadie

 

[Juddernaut08]

Other than small forward, there is joy at every line.

 

[Pafloyul]

Other than small forward, there is joy at every line.

Too bad some on the midfield/wing line have the preface 'kill' attached.

 

[Big Red is back]

Have left this for a couple of weeks

Lions of 2017, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 86, Against 114, Margin -28
Carlton of 2019, 21 games in - Wins 7, For 74, Against 85, Margin -11

Lions of 2018, 21 games in - Wins 5, For 83, Against 93, Margin -10

Still officially well and truly ahead of the Lions rebuild

Edited: number of games now corrected

They added Neale and Cameron both of whom have been huge so we need to add something similar. We also have some older talent which may hinder us with Murphy and Simpson still in our best few players. As such we probably need 4 A grade ready made talents.

 

[Arr0w]

They added Neale and Cameron both of whom have been huge so we need to add something similar. We also have some older talent which may hinder us with Murphy and Simpson still in our best few players. As such we probably need 4 A grade ready made talents.

I agree with adding some talent, but Lions also have/had older experienced guys to help with the transition

 

[CJMB]

They added Neale and Cameron both of whom have been huge so we need to add something similar. We also have some older talent which may hinder us with Murphy and Simpson still in our best few players. As such we probably need 4 A grade ready made talents.

Neale & Cameron... I guess ideally that'd be Coniglio & Papley (but in reality it could be Ellis and Gray)

 

[Jeremias]

2020 list is now settled, so time for an update here.

Not sure what stats will be made available through next year, but enjoy compiling them here and reading the discussion it generates.

'Youth' became a debatable term last year, do we track the same players or do we implement an age cut-off? FBI went the former, I went with the latter, but I am open to suggestions.

For now I will use the same parameters as I did for 2019. Therefore both Plowman and McGovern drop off given their 1994 birth dates, and so too do those who have departed the club since the end of last season.

Conversely we add Martin and Pittonet as well as our 5 new draftees.

1995 - Cripps, Lang, Martin
1996 - Marchbank, Goddard, Pittonet
1997 - Weitering, C Curnow, Kennedy, J Silvagni, Cuningham, McKay, Owies
1998 - Petrevski-Seton, Williamson, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Setterfield
1999 - Dow, O'Brien, De Koning
2000 - Walsh, Stocker, O'Dwyer, B Silvagni
2001 - Honey, Ramsay, Kemp, Phillips, Philp

31 players to track over the course of 2020, looking forward to it.

 

[Jabba73]

One of my favourite threads. Has a certain depth to the discussions

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If I find the time over Christmas I'll have to fire up a thread and a little analysis on what we added over the offseaon.

Love the way we are looking!

 

[Coona Blues]

2020 list is now settled, so time for an update here.

Not sure what stats will be made available through next year, but enjoy compiling them here and reading the discussion it generates.

'Youth' became a debatable term last year, do we track the same players or do we implement an age cut-off? FBI went the former, I went with the latter, but I am open to suggestions.

For now I will use the same parameters as I did for 2019. Therefore both Plowman and McGovern drop off given their 1994 birth dates, and so too do those who have departed the club since the end of last season.

Conversely we add Martin and Pittonet as well as our 5 new draftees.

1995 - Cripps, Lang, Martin
1996 - Marchbank, Goddard, Pittonet
1997 - Weitering, C Curnow, Kennedy, J Silvagni, Cuningham, McKay, Owies
1998 - Petrevski-Seton, Williamson, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Setterfield
1999 - Dow, O'Brien, De Koning
2000 - Walsh, Stocker, O'Dwyer, B Silvagni
2001 - Honey, Ramsay, Kemp, Phillips, Philp

31 players to track over the course of 2020, looking forward to it.

Gibbons ('95) and Cottrell ('00) say hi.

 

[LanceRomance]

Did they ever announce the end to the 66 game rebuild?

 

[Jabba73]

Did they ever announce the end to the 66 game rebuild?

It’s about 66 games away

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Did they ever announce the end to the 66 game rebuild?

Traded down for a 50 and 38

 

[Omega Blue]

Did they ever announce the end to the 66 game rebuild?

SOS declared rebuild done after the 2018 draft and trade period.
And what I think he meant by that was the Nexus of the next premiership was all at the club.