Beyond the GF – Why the MCG Contract doesn’t pass the Stink Test

[doppleganger]

If we had 7 Melbourne teams with 3 based at Marvel and 4 based at the MCG the Marvel teams would only have 2 teams that they dont enjoy Home Ground advantage with and the MCG Tennant would only have 3. If these clubs stated members actually rocked up to their games, the home club would always have vastly higher crowd numbers than the visiting team creating a home ground advantage , even against fellow Tennant clubs, ike they did back in VFL suburban ground days.

If Port fans followed the team that still plays at Alberton they would get to see the wharf pylons jumper every week....and get easy access to GF played at the biggest stadium in SA.

A shame you blokes left the Port Magpies behind to play in the expanded VFL where the GF is at the biggest stadium in Australia.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

its a national competition which is centred around Melbourne because thats where the competition literaally expanded from - it already had its awards and traditions. The AFL was the VFL from the beginning. All the whining in the world doesnt change this,

Yes, we should all just roll over & accept that football revolves around Victorians...

As long as the inequity favours Victorians, it's all ok...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Do you think this will change?

So far whatever the AFL/VAFL do, it's met with #VICBIAS.

So how about the other states do something about it, you know, take the initiative and do something.

All I have ever seen happen is, Vic does something and other state supporters cry about it.

A simple change of the grand final hosted by the highest ranked team would fix a major issue... but we know the power brokers would prefer to lock the MCG in for another hundred years.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yes, we should all just roll over & accept that football revolves around Victorians...

As long as the inequity favours Victorians, it's all ok...

WA literally did roll over. Couldnt join the VFL fast enough. Accepted all conditions and paid the licence fee up front. SA would have joined in 1981 if they were allowed.

You join a league made up mostly of Victorian teams, with mostly victorian support, players, audiences and attendances and your somehow surprised by the favouritism?

 

[Underarm]

Only when we have a team in Tassie. A real football state.

Ah yes. The legitimacy of a national competition rests on the inclusion of a team in Hobart of all places....

 

[Papa G]

WA literally did roll over. Couldnt join the VFL fast enough. Accepted all conditions and paid the licence fee up front. SA would have joined in 1981 if they were allowed.

You join a league made up mostly of Victorian teams, with mostly victorian support, players, audiences and attendances and your somehow surprised by the favouritism?

So you admit blatant favouritism exists? The first step is admitting I guess. What a shit show. When the Russians or Chinese cheat it is roundly denounced, when a Victorian does it, its you knew what you were getting into. Wow.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

WA literally did roll over. Couldnt join the VFL fast enough. Accepted all conditions and paid the licence fee up front. SA would have joined in 1981 if they were allowed.

You join a league made up mostly of Victorian teams, with mostly victorian support, players, audiences and attendances and your somehow surprised by the favouritism?

Where did I say i was surprised? You are looking back to justify inequity rather than looking forward to address it.

All I said is if we want a truly national competition, we need to remove many of the old VFL biases & have fair rules for all states... otherwise it will remain the VAFL.

 

[kranky al]

Yes, we should all just roll over & accept that football revolves around Victorians...

As long as the inequity favours Victorians, it's all ok...

Remember when melbourne went into its first covid outbreak and they couldnt train and we could - that was stopped by the afl immediately.

If the situation had been reversed we would have been called whingers.

You just have to look at the thousands of posts about cola to know the vicco cheats are onto anything that works against them like scomo on a stick.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Remember when melbourne went into its first covid outbreak and they couldnt train and we could - that was stopped by the afl immediately.

If the situation had been reversed we would have been called whingers.

You just have to look at the thousands of posts about cola to know the vicco cheats are onto anything that works against them like scomo on a stick.

Yes, if Victorians are disadvantaged, then must be evened up for others.

SA has a tighter definition of close contacts, so Adelaide has had to rule out players from their WAFL side that wouldn't be ruled out if in Melbourne.

Did the AFL apply the same rule for all sides to even things up? Of course not!

 

[The_Wookie]

So you admit blatant favouritism exists? The first step is admitting I guess. What a sh*t show. When the Russians or Chinese cheat it is roundly denounced, when a Victorian does it, its you knew what you were getting into. Wow.

Ive never denied it. Im saying its inevitable given the way the competition was founded and the way support and economic realities are.

Where did I say i was surprised? You are looking back to justify inequity rather than looking forward to address it.

Im not justifying anything, im attempting to explain the reality of a situation to people that are in denial.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Ive never denied it. Im saying its inevitable given the way the competition was founded and the way support and economic realities are.



Im not justifying anything, im attempting to explain the reality of a situation to people that are in denial.

But nothing in my post denied why it has happened. You raised this, not me.

My posting has been about how to fix it so it's more equitable.

Again you are looking back to justify the Victorian favouritism... I'm more concerned with making it fairer going forward.

 

[kranky al]

Ive never denied it. Im saying its inevitable given the way the competition was founded and the way support and economic realities are.



Im not justifying anything, im attempting to explain the reality of a situation to people that are in denial.

We arent in denial.

Doppelganger and his mates are


We know its fixed against us.

 

[doppleganger]

We know its fixed against us.

You are still whining.

If we choose to do something that disadvantages us - we cant whine about it.

You chose to support an expansion franchise of the VFL.

Yey continually whine that there are too many Victorian teams, that you travel more, that it isnt fair.

Why dont you actually follow your own advice for a change, chose to go back and follow a WAFL team...you wont have to suffer the unfairness of all that travelling to play Victorian teams anymore.

 

[ams4crows]

In reality fans of the clubs in the grandfinal only get 10-15k each the rest are corporate or MCC members.

If it's about making money, just make the tickets in the stadiums that have less than 100k more expensive. For everyone except the fans, make the corporates pay more they will still pay the price of admission.

Just look at the Superbowl the cheapest ticket is $8,000 but the place will be sold out.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

You are still whining.

You chose to support an expansion franchise of the VFL.

Yey continually whine that there are too many Victorian teams, that you travel more, that it isnt fair.

Why dont you actually follow your own advice for a change, chose to go back and follow a WAFL team...you wont have to suffer the unfairness of all that travelling to play Victorian teams anymore.

While I agree with you especially about the whining and I have been guilty of it also the fact remains the Eagles joined a hell of a long time ago now and while we did join the VFL it certainly is not the VFL now, or it shouldn’t be anyway.
In that time we have moved from the league doing the fixture to the broadcasters doing the fixture.
We have gone from having a completely independent media body covering the sport to now having no independent media coverage of our sport.
We have seen the sport pretty much turned into a new sport because of rule changes.
My point is so much has changed and is constantly still changing.
The old comment of you joined our VFL has probably worn itself out and is not really relevant anymore. Fans can whinge and complain, Christ it keeps us all entertained on here but unless the clubs actually stand up to head office then it is just as you said complaining because we can.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

North and Melbourne should have been done away with years ago. Especially North. Neither offer the league anything except less travel for the other viable Vic teams. Would have made the league more representative.

We're not going anywhere, we created the sport, we play at the G, we're the reigning premiers - more than your state league club could ever hope to be.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

It's a national game which is centred around Melbourne at the expense of other states due to VFL traditions.

Until the highest rank team has a home grand final or It's played at a neutral venue, the AFL will remain the VAFL.

The GF will always be at the MCG (global pandemics notwithstanding).

You guys need to get used to the fact the AFL is the VFL. Same competition, pretty much same teams with expansion sides from other states.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We're not going anywhere, we created the sport, we play at the G, we're the reigning premiers - more than your state league club could ever hope to be.

1 premiership in 67 years & you get nice & cocky...

Most of the expansion clubs have won as many or more flags since it became the AFL... whilst the Dees nearly went bankrupt & considered merging with Hawthorn.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

We're not going anywhere, we created the sport, we play at the G, we're the reigning premiers - more than your state league club could ever hope to be.

You are aware you are talking about the greatest top tier footy club in the history of the sport ?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The GF will always be at the MCG (global pandemics notwithstanding).

You guys need to get used to the fact the AFL is the VFL. Same competition, pretty much same teams with expansion sides from other states.

That's the thing... why should we accept an inequity favouring Victorians?

You wouldn't if you weren't Victorian!

It doesn't happen with other worldwide competitions...

 

[Demonic Ascent]

We know and understand we will travel longer distances.

Thats just a strawman you throw up in every thread.

In a proper national comp the teams would travel a roughly equal amount of times - naturally we would end up with the most km’s - ce la vie

But right now its nothing like equal amount of flying - the interstate teams do the lions share and then lose out playing vic teams on their home ground on the biggest day of the year.

Less melbourne teams and a rotated gf would even up the travel and reduce the chances of home gfs.

It would make for a much more balanced competition.

Neither of those things (less Melbourne teams and rotating GF) will happen.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You are aware you are talking about the greatest top tier footy club in the history of the sport ?

Who, Melbourne? We do have a fine history but saying we're the greatest would be unfair to some of the other clubs. They all have a rich history.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

That's the thing... why should we accept an inequity favouring Victorians?

You wouldn't if you weren't Victorian!

It doesn't happen with other worldwide competitions...

It's not an inequity, it's a reality. You joined the VFL as an expansion sides and the VFL/AFL GF is at the MCG. It's been that way since around 1902.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's not an inequity, it's a reality. You joined the VFL as an expansion sides and the VFL/AFL GF is at the MCG. It's been that way since around 1902.

It is an inequity.

Why do you outright lie.... when other Victorians on this thread have admitted this?

Are you stupid or delusional?

There hasn't been an AFL since 1902!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Who, Melbourne? We do have a fine history but saying we're the greatest would be unfair to some of the other clubs. They all have a rich history.

Hahaha, great premiers last year but your club is not Ports shoelace. But you already know this.
Just having some fun mate