Player Watch Billy Frampton - Traded to Collingwood

[Thetrader15]

I think there are better list managers in the comp by a margin but NM list management team for team signing Polec for 5 years and the pies list management team to name but just one of many stuff ups Grundy's 7 deal then less than 2 years later trading him for pick 27 and paying $300k pa x 5 years # shockers

Yet the pies were top 4...

 

[Mutineer]

Collingwood recruit outlines the role he plans to play in 2023

“It was pretty intriguing for me.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Red mist]

Do you know what? Billie has bottle. He will fight For his team. Good luck to his chances.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Do you know what? Billie has bottle. He will fight For his team. Good luck to his chances.

Think he will be better suited to the Pies as he will have a team of defenders around him who can actually defend & they play an attacking quick game plan.

 

[Red mist]

Think he will be better suited to the Pies as he will have a team of defenders around him who can actually defend & they play an attacking quick game plan.

So his game against WB in Ballarat this year was an outlier?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So his game against WB in Ballarat this year was an outlier?

Was for us!

Comes to the crunch, I wouldn't want to rely on him in a 1 on 1 contest.

 

[Red mist]

Was for us!

Comes to the crunch, I wouldn't want to rely on him in a 1 on 1 contest.

But you could then.

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Far out we got something for Frampton.... future 3rd is better than steak knives

Now please get something, anything for McHenry....

Which club in their right mind will pick him up???..........Oh that's right, we did and at pick 16 FFS.

 

[Golumless]

Which club in their right mind will pick him up???..........Oh that's right, we did and at pick 16 FFS.

And yet, it's not a pick that's aging too poorly at that point in the draft. Now that the first wave of delistings have hit the first and second round of the 2018 draft and a few of the other picks around McHenry are looking to be filtering out of the system as well.

Just needs to up his offensive production a tick (and that could just happen by being in a better system) and he'll be in a good position to have a solid career, whether here or elsewhere.

 

[Danger Zone]

McHenry at 16 remains far less of a howler than McAsey at 6.

 

[Golumless]

McHenry at 16 remains far less of a howler than McAsey at 6.

Ditto Jones at 10, seeing unlike McHenry, it's hard to say that he's really carved out a niche.

McHenry at 16 is firmly a meh pick. Not bad seeing he's managed to carve out a solid niche at AFL level. However, it's not a great pick at the moment as he's not a top-tier talent.

 

[Crow till I die]

McHenry at 16 remains far less of a howler than McAsey at 6.

Its more the opportunity cost that burns with McHenry and Jones. We really should have had at least a Rozee or a B King by trading up into the top 7 of that draft. That is what really burns most. McHenry in isolation at pick 16 has done better than say Riley Collier Dawkins at pick 19 for Richmond in a better system and there are others too

 

[Danger Zone]

Ditto Jones at 10, seeing unlike McHenry, it's hard to say that he's really carved out a niche.

McHenry at 16 is firmly a meh pick. Not bad seeing he's managed to carve out a solid niche at AFL level. However, it's not a great pick at the moment as he's not a top-tier talent.

I'm still holding out some hope with Jones, as I see some elite traits there hidden amongst the problems. But yeah, probably far to say both are looking a bit meh so far. And the opportunity cost of Jones (ahead of Butters) is definitely different from Ned.

 

[Golumless]

I'm still holding out some hope with Jones, as I see some elite traits there hidden amongst the problems. But yeah, probably far to say both are looking a bit meh so far. And the opportunity cost of Jones (ahead of Butters) is definitely different from Ned.

I don't know if I'd even have Jones in the meh category at this point, seeing he hasn't locked in a half-back spot down, whereas at least Ned you can say is locked in the best 22 at the start of his fifth season.

I also hope he clicks, seeing there are some (well, a lot of) elite traits in Jones, but that pick has been a disaster at this point. Has really turned into the classic all athlete, no footballer type in our system.

 

[hippyhippy]

Its more the opportunity cost that burns with McHenry and Jones. We really should have had at least a Rozee or a B King by trading up into the top 7 of that draft. That is what really burns most. McHenry in isolation at pick 16 has done better than say Riley Collier Dawkins at pick 19 for Richmond in a better system and there are others too

We had a plethora of picks at that time.. Port made the call to trade one of their stars in wingard to eventually land rozee... while we sat back and did nothing... massive failure. Probably so confident in our drafting as we had made some good calls previously. Turned to shite...

 

[GrommoT]

We had a plethora of picks at that time.. Port made the call to trade one of their stars in wingard to eventually land rozee... while we sat back and did nothing... massive failure. Probably so confident in our drafting as we had made some good calls previously. Turned to shite...

We just came out of a grand final and weren't ready to dismantle our list. Clubs don't give up their list readily when they get it to a state to contend for a flag.

We had some good picks - yes - but I think we were after GC's pick 2 or 3 and our picks (plus future picks) then might have been good enough to trade for GC's picks.

Had we tried to trade for intermediate picks to try and move up, we would have lost draft capital along the way and unlikely to have enough to get pick 2 or 3. Have to remember the Poo paid quite a bit - players and picks - just to get to pick 7.

It was one big jump to GC's pick 2 or 3 for Rankine, and nothing in between for us.

My question is when did we find out GC weren't going to trade one of those picks to us? I think if we knew that from the start, we might have tried to trade up for a pick that might have gotten us Rozee.

 

[Golumless]

We just came out of a grand final and weren't ready to dismantle our list. Clubs don't give up their list readily when they get it to a state to contend for a flag.

We had some good picks - yes - but I think we were after GC's pick 2 or 3 and our picks (plus future picks) then might have been good enough to trade for GC's picks.

Had we tried to trade for intermediate picks to try and move up, we would have lost draft capital along the way and unlikely to have enough to get pick 2 or 3. Have to remember the Poo paid quite a bit - players and picks - just to get to pick 7.

It was one big jump to GC's pick 2 or 3 for Rankine, and nothing in between for us.

My question is when did we find out GC weren't going to trade one of those picks to us? I think if we knew that from the start, we might have tried to trade up for a pick that might have gotten us Rozee.

Not only that, but we lost a good chunk of the lads we were planning to build our next generation around in 2017 and 2018. We were in a need for both quantity and quality of kids coming into that draft.

Of course, I'm quite confident in saying if we traded for Rozee, the consensus would be talking about that trade being an absolute disaster and why didn't we keep our picks to get Butters and McInereny/Rowbottom. Adelaide 2019--2020 really was a place where players careers go to die, especially highly talented kids.

 

[Sanders]

We just came out of a grand final and weren't ready to dismantle our list. Clubs don't give up their list readily when they get it to a state to contend for a flag.

We had some good picks - yes - but I think we were after GC's pick 2 or 3 and our picks (plus future picks) then might have been good enough to trade for GC's picks.

Had we tried to trade for intermediate picks to try and move up, we would have lost draft capital along the way and unlikely to have enough to get pick 2 or 3. Have to remember the Poo paid quite a bit - players and picks - just to get to pick 7.

It was one big jump to GC's pick 2 or 3 for Rankine, and nothing in between for us.

My question is when did we find out GC weren't going to trade one of those picks to us? I think if we knew that from the start, we might have tried to trade up for a pick that might have gotten us Rozee.

Yeah nah. That’s after the fact rationalisation

We had an incredible draft hand, and the Pear showed it was possible to move up

We just didn’t want to. We backed ourselves to find players just as good with the picks we had

We were wrong

 

[GrommoT]

Yeah nah. That’s after the fact rationalisation

We had an incredible draft hand, and the Pear showed it was possible to move up

We just didn’t want to. We backed ourselves to find players just as good with the picks we had

We were wrong

Well, that's certainly another way to look at it.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm still holding out some hope with Jones, as I see some elite traits there hidden amongst the problems. But yeah, probably far to say both are looking a bit meh so far. And the opportunity cost of Jones (ahead of Butters) is definitely different from Ned.

I think the chances of Jones being anything more than a solid B-grader are long gone. It was a wasted pick. Given how out of his depth he looked in his first few years though, it's miraculous we managed to get some decent footy out of him in 2021. This year felt like a step back though.

McHenry at 16 remains far less of a howler than McAsey at 6.

Just an absolute shocker. He looked depressed as hell when we took him and he's given us absolutely nothing. Good old Brent Reilly sooked it up when he was drafted too but at least he contributed something to the side.

 

[Sanders]

Well, that's certainly another way to look at it.

it’s what actually happened, so yeah

 

[dogs105]

With 200cm-201cm Billy (pending the source) going to the pies how much does that increase the average height of their starting 22 assuming Billy is in?

Assuming the average previously was ~185, less than a cm.

 

[Vader]

With 200cm-201cm Billy (pending the source) going to the pies how much does that increase the average height of their starting 22 assuming Billy is in?

Billy won't be in it.

 

[conVINCEd]

other option is trade pick 23 into next years draft

Any other predictions?