Blake or Mumford

[Schmegg]

No I wont watch the first 20 minutes of round 14. Mumford getting smashed has nohing to do with my concern of Blake being a liability.

That would actually require Blake to be rucking which as you indicate he doesn't do in the first 20 minutes of round 14. So why would I watch?


Go watch the 2nd half of Geelong vs Bulldogs?

I'm more inclined to refer to the last minute of the round 14 clash in that celebrated contest when it was time for someone to go and they didn't.

Noticed how many goals Gardiner kicked on Ottens in the GF???? All Blake had to do was break even with King.

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

I'm more inclined to refer to the last minute of the round 14 clash in that celebrated contest when it was time for someone to go and they didn't.

Noticed how many goals Gardiner kicked on Ottens in the GF???? All Blake had to do was break even with King.

shhhhhhh, that makes too much sense


what people keep bringing up is " blake senior matured late, so too will flake jnr"

i have more faith in a bloke out of the system till this year improving, than a dud

 

[vinum coupe]

No I wont watch the first 20 minutes of round 14. Mumford getting smashed has nohing to do with my concern of Blake being a liability.

That would actually require Blake to be rucking which as you indicate he doesn't do in the first 20 minutes of round 14. So why would I watch?


Go watch the 2nd half of Geelong vs Bulldogs?

Your reasoning is wrong.
Did you want Blake in the 07GF?

90% of people did. And I thought he deserved it. But I said in GF week that year that although we would still probably win the GF with Blake, he would also be the only reason we could lose as Port had monstered him in rnd 21.

Same goes for mummy this year. If he had of played in the GF and performed like he did in rnd 14 then the premiership is at moorabbin.



Whilst I agree that he lacked the ability to go with Gardiner, Blake was the ****ing reason we had a shot winning rnd 14 full stop!!

 

[Schmegg]

shhhhhhh, that makes too much sense


what people keep bringing up is " blake senior matured late, so too will flake jnr"

i have more faith in a bloke out of the system till this year improving, than a dud

Sadly u are correct, such logic has no place amongst the 20% of the Geelong population who think Mark Blake the superstar* should stay.


*On the basis that we keep him for another 4-5 years in the vain hope that he turns into a star at 28.

 

[PoidaCat]

Your reasoning is wrong.
Did you want Blake in the 07GF?

90% of people did. And I thought he deserved it. But I said in GF week that year that although we would still probably win the GF with Blake, he would also be the only reason we could lose as Port had monstered him in rnd 21.

Same goes for mummy this year. If he had of played in the GF and performed like he did in rnd 14 then the premiership is at moorabbin.



Whilst I agree that he lacked the ability to go with Gardiner, Blake was the ****ing reason we had a shot winning rnd 14 full stop!!

When I watch Blake play I don't go 'ohh Mumford played poorly in the 3rd minute of the 2nd quarter in the 16th round'. That's got nothing to do with my concern at BLAKE'S performance. I'm strictly focusing on Blake. Not the other 3 ruckmen we have. The other 3 ruckman could all be stars or could be complete hacks.

I'm sorry that you don't have the capacity to understand this and instead referred to my opinion as 'wrong'.

Blake almost cost us the Prelim in '07 and I didn't want him potentially ****ing it up in the most important game of the clubs history in 50 years.

 

[Cohzee]

With Otto still around Blake is the better choice, for now.

 

[Gogeelong]

Mumford was ground to a pulp because he had to carry the load.
That is why he tappered off
If he was playing as a second string this would not of happened.
He also has the capacity to play key position

The point is he has the potential in many peoples eyes to improve greatly
I do not see other teams chasing Blake at the moment.
The reason is that it is felt he will not improve as much

The majority of people have the same view
At the same dollars stick with Mummy and thank Blake for his services if we have to choose

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

Mumford was ground to a pulp because he had to carry the load.
That is why he tappered off
If he was playing as a second string this would not of happened.
He also has the capacity to play key position

The point is he has the potential in many peoples eyes to improve greatly
I do not see other teams chasing Blake at the moment.
The reason is that it is felt he will not improve as much

The majority of people have the same view
At the same dollars stick with Mummy and thank Blake for his services if we have to choose

balme can now go to blake and offer him half of what he is on
and simply say we paid you over
now no-one really wants you, so your call but you can stay on $150k
or go somewhere

mccon needs to piss off
as i can't see how he can negotiate for 3 rucks when 1 goes

and 2 have been paying him for longer than the mummy

mummy wake up, you could be in a gf if you bust a chop
and don't follow the green devil

as for blake, you could do some great pr by accepting less so the gfc can keep mummy

that might win you some support

wojo, the club has called his blufffff and he aint happy

thought they would cough up

thinking it all through

anyways, tonight is a big sleep for our 2 key players

 

[thejester]

By the way, i have not personally come across SYD saying they will not trade pick 6. I'm not suggesting you aren't correct, but where has this been said?

Said it in relation to Fev when he was put up for trade. I saw it on FSN; not sure where it'd be in print.

 

[vinum coupe]

I'm sorry that you don't have the capacity to understand this and instead referred to my opinion as 'wrong'.

As you may notice from my above post I am not a one eyed Blake supporter and I'm happy to discuss personal opinion.

But mate, don't pull the patronising shit as per above.

 

[YOTC]

Your reasoning is wrong.
Did you want Blake in the 07GF?

90% of people did. And I thought he deserved it. But I said in GF week that year that although we would still probably win the GF with Blake, he would also be the only reason we could lose as Port had monstered him in rnd 21.

Same goes for mummy this year. If he had of played in the GF and performed like he did in rnd 14 then the premiership is at moorabbin.



Whilst I agree that he lacked the ability to go with Gardiner, Blake was the ****ing reason we had a shot winning rnd 14 full stop!!

Thank you my good man.

Mumford is a ruckman and he's terrible at that job. His ground work does not make up for his inability to ruck. Not every ruckman has to be a Dean Cox around the ground.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Balme said yesterday that he was still confident we could keep the group together including both Blake and Mumford. Lemme find the quote...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s-as-they-happen/story-e6frf9jf-1225782861941


Not sure if he is just being optimistic but i like to think he is being realistic :s

He's not being realistic unless we get rid of Wojo, Lonergan and maybe somebody else...the cap will ensure we lose somebody.

 

[AM]

Thank you my good man.

Mumford is a ruckman and he's terrible at that job. His ground work does not make up for his inability to ruck. Not every ruckman has to be a Dean Cox around the ground.

It's true that Mummy is clueless at stop play ruck contests. However, if there's no former accomplished ruckman coaching him how the hell will he ever improve?

Every club these days is looking for mobile ruckman in the Cox mould. That's why there's been interest in Mummy and none in Blake. I hope Mummy stays as I reckon with some decent coaching from someone who knows the rucking ropes he has a lot of upside. That said, I have confidence that the guys negotiating on our behalf will come up with the goods.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

More concerned at the news that Wojinski maybe traded. Any news on Tenace going?

Interesting dilemma.
On one hand the club definitely doesn't want Tenace (look at how many games he's played the last 3 years) but from what I hear there's really no other clubs wanting him.

On the other hand, Wojo is wanted but is cover-able when Hunt comes back next year. But at almost 30, would he get any currency as a trade? (i don't want to see any more pick 96 trades just because of the cap). If Collingwood or anyone else really is offering a 2nd rounder, we'd have to look at it.

The other one is Lonergan...since he's contracted, moving him on could help a bit with the cap, and I can't see him getting many opportunities next year.

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

Interesting dilemma.
On one hand the club definitely doesn't want Tenace (look at how many games he's played the last 3 years) but from what I hear there's really no other clubs wanting him.

On the other hand, Wojo is wanted but is cover-able when Hunt comes back next year. But at almost 30, would he get any currency as a trade? (i don't want to see any more pick 96 trades just because of the cap). If Collingwood or anyone else really is offering a 2nd rounder, we'd have to look at it.

The other one is Lonergan...since he's contracted, moving him on could help a bit with the cap, and I can't see him getting many opportunities next year.

lonergan is on like 140k, does not do much for the cap

tenace, hmmm, hmmm, hmm

 

[Boxhead_31]

More concerned at the news that Wojinski maybe traded. Any news on Tenace going?

Thought Kane signed a two year deal in 07 so if no trade available cant we just delist him without a TPP hit?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Thought Kane signed a two year deal in 07 so if no trade available cant we just delist him without a TPP hit?

If he is still contracted that is correct.
We would have to include next year's salary in the TPP if we delisted which I don't think we have room to do.
Which is why either he gets traded, or delisted only if un-contracted.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

lonergan is on like 140k, does not do much for the cap

tenace, hmmm, hmmm, hmm

But 140 k is better than nothing.
If someone offers a decent draft pick he could be gone.

 

[CF]

Thank you my good man.

Mumford is a ruckman and he's terrible at that job. His ground work does not make up for his inability to ruck. Not every ruckman has to be a Dean Cox around the ground.

As I have posted on numerous occasions in this never ending Blake versus Mumford bullshit, Mumford rucked the the first 20 mins of the first quarter in Round 14. End result of that stint was that we were 30 points down.

We started to win the ball out of the stoppages when Blake came on. I am not saying Blakey was perfect as he did let Gardiner get that mark which was a shit effort from him. But too many people wear rose colored glasses in this forum when it comes to Mumford. He still has a long way to go to become a half decent ruckman. He's made a good start, but that's all it is, a start.

 

[pinion]

with an ageing ottens you'd like to keep both, since ruckmen take so long to develop. on that logic i'd almost say that if one ruck has to go then .... what about ottens? his inability to recover from injuries seems to be becomming a trend. you'd probably still get a high first round pick for him and free up more salary cap room, for a guy who may only have 1 or 2 years left.

i know that won't go down well here ....

but blake or mumford? mumford. blake's a liability once the ball's below shoulder height.

 

[Schmegg]

He still has a long way to go to become a half decent ruckman.

Sorry CF, but so does Blake, do we have 5 years to hang our hat on his overall "Not a No 1 ruckman's backside" game in the hope he is his old man and becomes a star at 28??

At least Mumford has offered us a glimpse of the future of a dominant no 1 ruckman, whereas we've seen everything Blakey has to offer, and it ain't getting better.

The reality is that Blake is a "coaster", if we clear off Mumford he will simply coast his merry way until Dawson Simpson becomes a challenger, the fastest way to demotivate an individual with this mindset is to remove his chief competitor.

 

[Schmegg]

. But too many people wear rose colored glasses in this forum when it comes to Mumford.

Too many people? I would say that this is a microcosm of the entire Geelong membership, around 150 people have voted and 80% say they'd rather Blake shipped off than Mumford. I've spoken to dozens of others who are supporters who agree with this sentiment and they aren't BigFooty members.

I think you just have to accept that no matter what your "learned" opinion is, the majority of our own supporters and many supporters of the other teams in the comp (Check Richmond board) reckon that Blake is a dud and Mumford is going to be a decent player.

Hell the fact that Sydney are throwing the sun, moon & the stars at Mumford who is an undeveloped prospect, rather than offering the same for a developed prospect in Blake, should speak volumes as to the reality of this situation.

It's not just us who don't rate Blake, it is everyone bar a small minority.

 

[krisholio14]

If there was any doubt about which player on the list has replaced Kent Kingsley as the most hated at Geelong by our own supporters, this thread gives us all the final confirmation.

 

[krisholio14]

Too many people? I would say that this is a microcosm of the entire Geelong membership, around 150 people have voted and 80% say they'd rather Blake shipped off than Mumford. I've spoken to dozens of others who are supporters who agree with this sentiment and they aren't BigFooty members.

I think you just have to accept that no matter what your "learned" opinion is, the majority of our own supporters and many supporters of the other teams in the comp (Check Richmond board) reckon that Blake is a dud and Mumford is going to be a decent player.

Hell the fact that Sydney are throwing the sun, moon & the stars at Mumford who is an undeveloped prospect, rather than offering the same for a developed prospect in Blake, should speak volumes as to the reality of this situation.

It's not just us who don't rate Blake, it is everyone bar a small minority.

I am one of the people who voted for Blake, and i'm one of the few people I know who like him and want him to stay at the club.


Now I don't want to get offside with posters on here who I get along well with on and off the board, so i'll choose my words carefully.

We can win the flag again next year if Mumford goes and Blake stays. Should the opposite occur, we are absolutely no chance of winning it.

 

[krisholio14]

As I have posted on numerous occasions in this never ending Blake versus Mumford bullshit, Mumford rucked the the first 20 mins of the first quarter in Round 14. End result of that stint was that we were 30 points down.

We started to win the ball out of the stoppages when Blake came on. I am not saying Blakey was perfect as he did let Gardiner get that mark which was a shit effort from him. But too many people wear rose colored glasses in this forum when it comes to Mumford. He still has a long way to go to become a half decent ruckman. He's made a good start, but that's all it is, a start.

Mumford isn't a ruckmans arseh*le at AFL level and never will be.

I like the Mummy and believe he can carve out a more than adequate career at AFL level, be it at Geelong or another club. But one things for certain, it won't be in the ruck.

People seem to have this idea that all players have to be able to do everything or they are shit.

The bottom line is, Blake, for all his faults, is one of the best tap ruckmen in the comp, and with the midfield we have, that is vitally important. Not only does he get large amounts of hitouts, he also gets them to a teammate more often than most ruckmen in the comp.

Now Blake has to work on busting his nuts more around the ground, but as far as i'm concerned, his ruckwork is as good as anyones in the league. I'd rather have a player that is excellent at one thing, than a player who is handy at a few things without being excellent at any of them.

And in addition to this, I thought Blakey's efforts after he returned from exile were excellent. If he continues that effort into 2010, he's in for a very good year.