Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner

[Salt Lake Cities]

Basketball guy myself and my stance actually stems from the NBA. Owners locked the players out under the guise of equalisation and preventing super teams - driven by the Lakers TRADING for Chris Paul - i.e. giving up assets, and not necessarily 'buying' him, or having an agreement with players to 'team up'.

Now, fast forward to today, and the amount of money these 'small market' teams, who led the lockout, are now throwing at players is laughable. Mis-management of your organisations should not be rewarded. Teams are accountable for their own planning and actions.

"Super teams" are player driven. Teams offer a platform for this to be possible; and when I say teams, I mean teams / organisations that are well-run, have plans in place on / off field and are successful, thus making them an attraction for players to come.

Kevin Durant went to the Warriors because the organisation is A grade and are successful. They BUILT their team through the draft, and managed it as such that they could afford to 1) attract KD and fit him under the cap and 2) offer opportunity for success.

And you think that's good for the sport? Only 2 teams out of 32 with a chance to win a title? Not for me thanks.

I agree the money being thrown around for players who are average at best is absurd. When you have a salary floor though, that'll happen, just as it will in the AFL. Teams need to sell hope to their supporter base.

 

[kjr8]

The Warriors got bloody lucky that they got to re-sign Steph Curry under the old CBA.

Lucky? Perhaps. They signed him for a long-term deal (under max) which other teams were not prepared to do because of his dodgy ankles at the time. I'd go with calculated risk through due diligence. How a good organisation makes decisions.

 

[Blue Razor]

AFL News ‏@AFLnewsresults
Carlton have shown interest in Gold Coast's David Swallow and have contacted his manager.

 

[MC_Doggy_Frog18]

oh forgot compo. lol

 

[BluStreak]

I heard it was at Preston Market and it was jam donuts.

And Juddy's fruit plate was only one factor, together with Mebby giving Murph a glare and Thy mumbling 'ffs' under his breath.

Juddy was muttering 'ffs wheres the team'

 

[TheCoach16]

We had no idea what it took to win games pre-Judd, let alone have success. I recall interviews with players who were dispirited and felt we were close to having a mass exodus. Kennedy was not developing well.

We had a dearth of leaders. I think it is very optimistic to think success would have taken just an extra year. Judd brought more than just playing talent. He brought professional standards, he brought hope, he allowed Murphy and Gibbs more time, he shouldered the media focus and he worked with the coaches to communicate the messages.

We can look at the fact we didn't have ultimate success with Judd but some foundations were set. The players stood up against those who were not toeing the line and started to get hungry. So many intangibles with Judd.

This. This a million times!

Certain players add far more value than their stats.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

This equalisation talk is ******* boring and certainly not a rumour... move on or create an equalisation thread. I want to read rumours and discussions of rumours about carlton.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I heard it was at Preston Market and it was jam donuts.

And Juddy's fruit plate was only one factor, together with Mebby giving Murph a glare and Thy mumbling 'ffs' under his breath.

There is an equivalent story at Essendon where Jobe Watson is filling his plate with TB4 sandwiches ......

 

[kjr8]

And you think that's good for the sport? Only 2 teams out of 32 with a chance to win a title? Not for me thanks.

I agree the money being thrown around for players who are average at best is absurd. When you have a salary floor though, that'll happen, just as it will in the AFL. Teams need to sell hope to their supporter base.

No, it's not a good thing, but it'd be worse to skew the rules to to hamper and punish these that are doing handling their business; and rewarding mediocrity. Cap floor is to look after players, as much as anything, KEY to the product being put out there for all of us to enjoy. What's imperative is for teams to have the forth-sight to ensure that this does not hamper them moving forward. Selling hope is one thing, knocking yourself out from landing FA talent is another through mismanagement, is another.

 

[Matty411]

Do we know why Marchbank hasn't nominated his club of choice (us) yet deathanxiety ? Is it purely because GWS are still in finals? Not sure it should matter given he's not playing himself.

 

[Navara79]

AFL News ‏@AFLnewsresults
Carlton have shown interest in Gold Coast's David Swallow and have contacted his manager.

‏@AFLnewsresults

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Source aside. I like Swallow and his price would have gone down significantly.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

No, it's not a good thing, but it'd be worse to skew the rules to to hamper and punish these that are doing handling their business; and rewarding mediocrity. Cap floor is to look after players, as much as anything, KEY to the product being put out there for all of us to enjoy. What's imperative is for teams to have the forth-sight to ensure that this does not hamper them moving forward. Selling hope is one thing, knocking yourself out from landing FA talent is another through mismanagement, is another.

Can't dispute most of that. For me personally though, I'll barely watch any games this season because the result in the end is near a foregone conclusion. One of 2 teams will win it. I see many similarities creeping into our game and I'm not a fan.

 

[Jabba73]

I heard it was in the canteen and it was hot chips.

Thought it was the Library with a candlestick

 

[Mezzoculo]

This equalisation talk is f@#*&$! boring and certainly not a rumour... move on or create an equalisation thread. I want to read rumours and discussions of rumours about carlton.

This. Equalisation talk is not relevant to this thread in any way, shape or form.

 

[deathanxiety]

Do we know why Marchbank hasn't nominated his club of choice (us) yet deathanxiety ? Is it purely because GWS are still in finals? Not sure it should matter given he's not playing himself.

Weighing up all the offers. Essendon was focused on O'Meara.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

This equalisation talk is *******! boring and certainly not a rumour... move on or create an equalisation thread. I want to read rumours and discussions of rumours about carlton.

Fair enough. I'd love Marchbank, as I wanted Tomlinson last year. Would suck if he ended up at *. Them benefitting further from cheating. Let's hope that's not the case.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I heard it was in the canteen and it was hot chips.

That's the version I heard, too. Either way, good story.

 

[Blugazi]

Losing O'Meara, Prestia and Swallow in one year would be nuts. If he left you'd think he'd goto North to play with his bro.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

This. Equalisation talk is not relevant to this thread in any way, shape or form.

You're of course correct, I'll cease with the discussion. I feel the same about puns, as funny as some are. Each to their own.

 

[mickelboy182]

Basketball guy myself and my stance actually stems from the NBA. Owners locked the players out under the guise of equalisation and preventing super teams - driven by the Lakers TRADING for Chris Paul - i.e. giving up assets, and not necessarily 'buying' him, or having an agreement with players to 'team up'.

Now, fast forward to today, and the amount of money these 'small market' teams, who led the lockout, are now throwing at players is laughable. Mis-management of your organisations should not be rewarded. Teams are accountable for their own planning and actions.

"Super teams" are player driven. Teams offer a platform for this to be possible; and when I say teams, I mean teams / organisations that are well-run, have plans in place on / off field and are successful, thus making them an attraction for players to come.

Kevin Durant went to the Warriors because the organisation is A grade and are successful. They BUILT their team through the draft, and managed it as such that they could afford to 1) attract KD and fit him under the cap and 2) offer opportunity for success.

Yeah nah, the Nuggets are well run and have drafted well yet still can't attract a FA. The AFL is communist China compared to the inequality in the NBA.

 

[JustaBattler]

This. This a million times!

Certain players add far more value than their stats.

I've heard the same when people speak of Thomas- and every time I read stuff like that I roll my eyes and whisper BS to the monitor.

Judd cost too much in money and picks and was too good at covering for a too much that was going wrong with drafting/trading/developing the Club's overall list for too long.

Carlton was stuck in the last century with its messiah thinking - if players wanted to stuff their faces with crapola - I would have thought a decent coach and fitness team would insist on standards to start with like Bolton is right now.

We have wasted 80% of our picks in the draft for a decade - totally wasted them and built a list so thin on talent you can blow a hole in its fabric by breathing hard at it from 10 meters away.

Go the draft for high end promise and focus on bringing in more developed hard nuts via trades - we are still too soft way too soft. Players like Everitt/Boekhurst/Jacksh/Jones/Tutt/Kerridge/Graham are soft - get rid of them and replace with with some mongrel - and leave the fancy pantses to Hawthorn and whoever - fancy pantses are an accessory not the core of a good football side. Hawethorn isnt the model tfo rCarlton to follow and neither is Geelong as far as list managemenbt goes- the Bulldogs and St Kilda have much more teach.

Neither of these sides has a soft conditional player wearing their colours and they both tasted a number of poor years to fix their list.

I want Weitering/C.Curnow/Cuningham/McKay to develop mongrel as well as fitness and skills - and I want to see our new draftees display the same kind of hardness from the get go.

JOM and the rest of this type want to play alongside footballers not fill ins they have to make up for.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

AFL News ‏@AFLnewsresults
Carlton have shown interest in Gold Coast's David Swallow and have contacted his manager.

I'm getting in first....


One Swallow doesn't make a Sumner !

 

[found object]

Weighing up all the offers. Essendon was focused on O'Meara.

I wonder how much consideration is given by players to their training environment when considering a new club. I presume internally is nice and new etc, but knowing that area well, it's not great externally with hot northerly winds during summer and the industrial location.

 

[kjr8]

Yeah nah, the Nuggets are well run and have drafted well yet still can't attract a FA. The AFL is communist China compared to the inequality in the NBA.

they have drafted well but you can't attract FA without the associated cap space to go with it. MANAGEMENT.