Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[Jimmae]

We might want to consider that the Silvagni relationship with GWS is over and sweet deals a thing of the past.

Wayne Campbell is the Giants general manager and former General Manager of Football for Richmond Craig Cameron is now their List Manager. I can foresee the Tigers getting the deals now.

Some of these deals are about absorbing salaries too, something Richmond won't be able to do for a couple of years until their restructure is in full swing (assuming the Sydney win hasn't made them instantly delusional again).

 

[happydude]

Some of these deals are about absorbing salaries too, something Richmond won't be able to do for a couple of years until their restructure is in full swing (assuming the Sydney win hasn't made them instantly delusional again).

Nah it didn't.


The freeo game helped....

 

[F_therest]

The players that they acquired through trade (e.g. Heath Shaw, Ryan Griffen) they got the other club to foot some of the bill on then others including Stevie J weren't going to get a gig elsewhere so they got them on the cheap to let them continue their career. They've been very, very smart.

It's not going to be until their next round of contracts that they'll be finding it hard to fit everyone in. But then they have so many more coming through that they'll just dish a few of them off like they allowed Treloar and Adams to the past couple of years.

Not to mention Boyd, Bruce, miles, hombsch and our gws boys..so many good players out of there

 

[Red Bull]

So if it's Marchbank and Tomlinson from the Giants on the radar , what are we happy to pay ?
Guess it can be any combination of this year's and next year's picks with total points value being useful to GWS .
Baring Cripps and Weitering , they probably wouldn't want anyone else from our list so we can probably rule out player trading being involved in any business .

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I hope he gets the help he needs.
I guess this is Carlton's fault?

I too hope he gets better and finds himself in a better head space soon.

And yes, when it was an injury, we failed to rest him or send him for surgery but ran him into the ground. When it is a mental health issue we offloaded him for Richmond to deal with. Facts.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

So if it's Marchbank and Tomlinson from the Giants on the radar , what are we happy to pay ?
Guess it can be any combination of this year's and next year's picks with total points value being useful to GWS .
Baring Cripps and Weitering , they probably wouldn't want anyone else from our list so we can probably rule out player trading being involved in any business .

Well, the Giants board believes that Tomlinson happens to be the only player outside their best 22 still worth a first rounder (around 12-18). Lucky us.

 

[Funk]

I too hope he gets better and finds himself in a better head space soon.

And yes, when it was an injury, we failed to rest him or send him for surgery but ran him into the ground. When it is a mental health issue we offloaded him for Richmond to deal with. Facts.

Hardwick is on record stating Tigers targetted Yarran early 2015 (while he was contracted for another 18 months) and successfully pursued him.

I think calling this "Carlton offloading him for Richmond to deal with" is stretching the truth by a massive margin.

 

[JustaBattler]

agree with TODN here on GWS as an easy source of trades - too much emphasis on it as if it is a bankable thing. One thing that sticks in my mind is SOS implementing a system of tracking all players from every Club - apparently a new initiative at Carlton list management HQ - perhaps we will go for targets from all over the place as required and if they fit - maybe the message Bolton is handing out via media and the team's performance is a bigger enabler than SOS's previous workplace - now run an ex tugger bloke.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Hardwick is on record stating Tigers targetted Yarran early 2015 (while he was contracted for another 18 months) and successfully pursued him.

I think calling this "Carlton offloading him for Richmond to deal with" is stretching the truth by a massive margin.

You know that, I know that but ....

By Damian Barrett's timing they approached him by at least early July when we played them.

 

[Funk]

agree with TODN here on GWS as an easy source of trades - too much emphasis on it as if it is a bankable thing. One thing that sticks in my mind is SOS implementing a system of tracking all players from every Club - apparently a new initiative at Carlton list management HQ - perhaps we will go for targets from all over the place as required and if they fit - maybe the message Bolton is handing out via media and the team's performance is a bigger enabler than SOS's previous workplace - now run an ex tugger bloke.

It is good that the club is tracking potential recruits but SOS seems very aware of how to get guys he wants at a price he wants to pay.

In many respects targeting players is the easy part - getting them without giving up too much (see Treloar) is the trickier part IMO.

 

[El Topo]

Some of these deals are about absorbing salaries too, something Richmond won't be able to do for a couple of years until their restructure is in full swing (assuming the Sydney win hasn't made them instantly delusional again).

They still have a warchest

 

[Aphrodite]

They still have a warchest

That infamous 'war chest'!

 

[JustaBattler]

It is good that the club is tracking potential recruits but SOS seems very aware of how to get guys he wants at a price he wants to pay.

In many respects targeting players is the easy part - getting them without giving up too much (see Treloar) is the trickier part IMO.

Totally agree. I think people (myself included) sometimes forget to look three years ahead and count the mnumber of experienced players of quality that have to be replaced. This year's drafts looked good on paper - but facts are - we have Weitering performing abovbe expectations, Curnow and Mc on pretty much LTI - therefore no development or playing time and question marks over Cuningham pace of development. Meanwhile Vojo/Jacksh/Whiley aren't setting the world on fire ( yet?)...So at least half the year is a write off for key draftees - significant set back in list development.

Fortunately, Sumner/Plowman/Lamb/Kerridge/Wright doing enough to be picked - Plowman ( as expected) probably the standout. We are still short of genuine AFL quality on ballers - you don't pick these up ready to go in a draft.

I think the Club will likely make some difficult ( for supporters) trade decisions over the next couple of years in order to get the age and experience mix more balanced.

OR miracles happen, and;

Graham become genuine starter playing inside mid, Boekhurst gets fit and lifts to A grade running mid status, Casboult learns to kick and hasn't lost his jump off both legs, Jacksh slots into team and development accelerates and becomes a genuine top 10 type KPP pick, Harry Mc becomes a rare gun after one full pre-season and Charlie Curnow becomes the beast we need to play alongside Cripps - whilst Cuningham and Vojo click, Sheehan bursts on to scene over next year and that big fella we picked up playing VFL develops into teh KPP defender we need to take on gorillas.

ie it will all take time and a lot of luck and even then....

 

[ajb72]

We might want to consider that the Silvagni relationship with GWS is over and sweet deals a thing of the past.

Wayne Campbell is the Giants general manager and former General Manager of Football for Richmond Craig Cameron is now their List Manager. I can foresee the Tigers getting the deals now.

AFL scared of the monster they have created at GWS?

Nothing says "stuff up a list" like appointing Richmond people to list management.

 

[BluesRule]

Remember also that SOS was the one that negotiated Tomlinson's extension. He would know exactly what he is on.

Thats why they are such good mates

 

[1981]

Totally agree. I think people (myself included) sometimes forget to look three years ahead and count the mnumber of experienced players of quality that have to be replaced. This year's drafts looked good on paper - but facts are - we have Weitering performing abovbe expectations, Curnow and Mc on pretty much LTI - therefore no development or playing time and question marks over Cuningham pace of development. Meanwhile Vojo/Jacksh/Whiley aren't setting the world on fire ( yet?)...So at least half the year is a write off for key draftees - significant set back in list development.

Fortunately, Sumner/Plowman/Lamb/Kerridge/Wright doing enough to be picked - Plowman ( as expected) probably the standout. We are still short of genuine AFL quality on ballers - you don't pick these up ready to go in a draft.

I think the Club will likely make some difficult ( for supporters) trade decisions over the next couple of years in order to get the age and experience mix more balanced.

OR miracles happen, and;

Graham become genuine starter playing inside mid, Boekhurst gets fit and lifts to A grade running mid status, Casboult learns to kick and hasn't lost his jump off both legs, Jacksh slots into team and development accelerates and becomes a genuine top 10 type KPP pick, Harry Mc becomes a rare gun after one full pre-season and Charlie Curnow becomes the beast we need to play alongside Cripps - whilst Cuningham and Vojo click, Sheehan bursts on to scene over next year and that big fella we picked up playing VFL develops into teh KPP defender we need to take on gorillas.

ie it will all take time and a lot of luck and even then....

I don't really know what your point is.
I think you're getting overly edgy though.
These things take time.
Kids need time.

Qn marks on Cuningham? Crikey, he is a first year player.
LTI to McKay and Curnow delaying their development? Technically that might be true, but I think you'll find the club wouldn't have expected too much of Harry in particular, and Curnow already got some games in and looked good. I expect Curnow to play a fair bit of seniors next year, meaning he would be well ahead of the curve. I didn't expect squat from Harry this year. He is around 200cm, could take him 5 years to be a decent senior player. Year One for these types means little. A lot of the time it is about getting used to being at a professional senior club, adjusting to the demands, the diet, the game plan/education etc.

Jaksch clearly has some KPIs to hit, but he bagged 4 last week, bagged another 4 or 5 against Geel VFL side, and I have a feeling he will get games soon and I still think he is a good chance to be a senior player for us. Some talls take longer than others. Look at Tarrant at North.

Boekhorst I think can play.

Sheehan can play. He is what, 26? Fact is he is a gorgeous kick so he will be given time to come good. He is not 28/29.

I think we are tracking well given where we came from, though I agree we need to draft/trade well again and again and again.

These things take time.
You cannot expect things to happen too quick.
Every list has injuries.
Every list has kids who maybe take longer than others.
They don't all come on at the same time.
Some take longer.

The challenge is whether SOS can get more top 20 picks without giving up players we don't want to part with.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Thats why they are such good mates

SOS also has a policy not to overpay and was happy to let players go in beneficial trades.

 

[jezzajay]

If tomlinsons on 500k a year then why is he only playing neafl..doesn't add up for me. I understand form could be an issue but he plays well enough at that level to be promoted...and he's the type of player you give a good run of games too with his age, size etc.
certainly not claiming to know but I reckon he'd be on 300-400k tops.
Good to see he's been recalled, will watch his game..

 

[gandaal]

If tomlinsons on 500k a year then why is he only playing neafl..doesn't add up for me. I understand form could be an issue but he plays well enough at that level to be promoted...and he's the type of player you give a good run of games too with his age, size etc.
certainly not claiming to know but I reckon he'd be on 300-400k tops.
Good to see he's been recalled, will watch his game..

Lamb was on $500,000 a year and he played almost all of his footy at NEAFL level while at the Giants.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Lamb was on $500,000 a year and he played almost all of his footy at NEAFL level while at the Giants.

Is that speculative?

However, once again Lamb was poached by GWS. You pay a premium.

 

[DangerousD]

GWS players that missed their impressive win against the Dogs on the weekend include:

Ahern
Corr
Davis
Griffen
Haynes
Hoskin-Elliott
Marchbank
McCarthy
Pickett
Smith
Tomlinson
Kennedy
Stewart

They just have a stupid amount of talent...any one of those players would walk straight into our best 22.

That list is good enough to make up half a best 22 side and be a very good team.
Got plenty of KPDs, KPFs and mids in that group.

If they want to take 4-5 kids in the national draft and maybe a free agent then they will have to cut or trade more than a few of those. I see a big trade period again.

 

[DangerousD]

If we were to make a play for a few players on that list, I'd be hoping for:

Ahern
Hoskin-Elliott
Tomlinson

Ahern would obviously be subject to fitness, but based on the fact he'll reach the end of a 2-year contract with no senior games to his name, I reckon we could get him cheapish. Would add polish and penetration to our on-ball group.

Hoskin-Elliott seems to have fallen away in form and favour. The GWS forward line is bloody dangerous as is, so he'd hopefully be seen as surplus to needs. Slot him into our forward line as a Gunston/Breust-type.

Tomlinson has been discussed ad nauseum - clearly wants out, and would theoretically come cheap. Play him on a wing early with a view to push forward later in games and stretch opposition defences.

Reckon second-rounders are about right for each - so perhaps our second picks this year and next, as well as a downgrade of our first (4 for 7 - pick 4 means more to GWS if it gets them an extra player ahead of their academy picks). Hit the draft with pick 7 for the best midfielder we can get, and upgrade our third rounders if possible to get a few second round picks for sliders.

Big fan of Hoskin Elliott, second rounders for all three i doubt but there is a big difference between pick 20 which i think WHE would require and pick 36 which i think Tomlinson will go for, Ahern as you said has not fired a shot, he will cost donuts.

 

[gandaal]

Is that speculative?

However, once again Lamb was poached by GWS. You pay a premium.

Oh no it's 100% fact. I wrote up the player contracts myself.

I also have deep contacts within the AFL drug testing unit, the Kangaroos recruiting department, and the Weagles sports science program.

 

[DangerousD]

We might want to consider that the Silvagni relationship with GWS is over and sweet deals a thing of the past.

Wayne Campbell is the Giants general manager and former General Manager of Football for Richmond Craig Cameron is now their List Manager. I can foresee the Tigers getting the deals now.

The players no SOS, they all worked with him when they were drafted and he would of played a key role in them settling up there. Add to that there is already a few GWS boys here then i still see us having a huge advantage over any club in recruiting from the Giants.

 

[DangerousD]

So if it's Marchbank and Tomlinson from the Giants on the radar , what are we happy to pay ?
Guess it can be any combination of this year's and next year's picks with total points value being useful to GWS .
Baring Cripps and Weitering , they probably wouldn't want anyone else from our list so we can probably rule out player trading being involved in any business .

Im hoping this years third for Tomlinson
Next years second for Marchbank
Trading for a few third rounders (Everitt, Buckley,White, Thomas)
Doing some sort of package to get Will Hoskin Elliott