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[Marc Shmurf 3]

Read on GWS Board that Tomlinson is on $500K salary. Hence moving him on and bring in a draftee will help their cap. Do we want to pay $500K?

That is simply not true. I would say he is on half that.

 

[Mezzoculo]

He'd be a nice little 'in' for our midfield Prestia. All about price.

This times one million. He would improve our midfield immediately - Prestia IS a quality player on the return from injury - BUT the club has stated numerous times that we are NOT after 'big fish' this offseason. Trigg actually said that we'd look at two guys at $300k over one at $600k (paraphrased, obviously).

 

[Jabba73]

That is simply not true. I would say he is on half that.

Makes him more attractive then. Have players on our list would prefer we spend the money on, not imports who haven't proved themselves yet.

 

[Mezzoculo]

I keep reading about Tomlinson racking up some huge stats which automatically make him seem like a wasted talent in the GWS seconds. It also makes me wonder what the standard is like in the NEAFL.

Last night on NITV, they showed the NEAFL match between NT Thunder & Canberra, the NT side won by 98 points. However, what was quite ironic is that Liam Patrick was one of the better players in the match kicking four goals. This is the same Liam Patrick who was on the Suns list and hardly fired a shot. There was also a left-footed slug called Ewing playing FF for NT who kicked a six yet you wouldn't consider him as a potential AFL player either.

The point is, maybe we need to see Tomlinson play against some serious opposition to get a "real" read on his overall ability.

Part of the problem, Sheik, is that Tomlinson rarely gets that opportunity. When at NEAFL level, he plays in his preferred position and slays it. However, when he's given a chance in the seniors he is played out of position and - due to competition for spots - isn't afforded the luxury of time to settle in. Due to the Giants' list composition, he's so far down the pecking order that potential suitors have to judge him by NEAFL form and potential.

 

[BluesRule]

That is simply not true. I would say he is on half that.

Hope you are right MS3. Source has no credibility. But GWS had a large salary cap and put Tomlinson on a 3 year deal to 2017 when he was a "star" as a highly valued developing key forward that was selected #9 in the draft and had played 19 games in the 2014 season:
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2014-11-18/tomlinson-commits-to-giants

 

[Jimmae]

Read on GWS Board that Tomlinson is on $500K salary. Hence moving him on and bring in a draftee will help their cap. Do we want to pay $500K?

If he's on $500k at the Giants , I'm on crack.

There's no way that could be legit.

No way Tomlinson is on $500,000

The average salary at GWS is about $245,000, so as a former top 10 draft pick who was playing well for them in defence early on, he could be coming to the end of a decent deal.

Maybe not $500k, but $400k would be about right.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The average salary at GWS is about $245,000, so as a former top 10 draft pick who was playing well for them in defence early on, he could be coming to the end of a decent deal.

Maybe not $500k, but $400k would be about right.

You say that as though former top 10 draft pick playing well early holds some weight at GWS. Probably describes half their team. Then your Davis, Ward, Shaw types would be on good coin as proven mature recruits.

 

[1981]

Mumford
Shaw
Davis
Wars
Scully
Palmer
Johnson
Patful
Griffen

 

[1981]

Tomlinson would be 18-28 on the list, no way he's getting major coin

 

[BluesRule]

You say that as though former top 10 draft pick playing well early holds some weight at GWS. Probably describes half their team. Then your Davis, Ward, Shaw types would be on good coin as proven mature recruits.

Bulldogs paid $1m pa for Boyd - must of had a reasonable deal at GWS to need that sort of incentive.
Scully is rumoured to be on $1m pa.
Lamb was on a very generous salary.
Think the GWS key players are likely on good coin and they rated Tomlinson when the deal was done, so it could be true.

 

[Jimmae]

You say that as though former top 10 draft pick playing well early holds some weight at GWS. Probably describes half their team. Then your Davis, Ward, Shaw types would be on good coin as proven mature recruits.

And 30-40% of their team would be on above average wages.

Remember that anyone drafted in the last 3 drafts would likely still be on initial wages, which max out at about $200k.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Bulldogs paid $1m pa for Boyd - must of had a reasonable deal at GWS to need that sort of incentive.
Scully is rumoured to be on $1m pa.
Lamb was on a very generous salary.
Think the GWS key players are likely on good coin and they rated Tomlinson when the deal was done, so it could be true.

Boyd was a first year player. No chance he was on a good deal at GWS in his first year. The Dogs paid way over the odds based on potential, the prospect of landing the big fish of tall forward prospects and in order to shake him loose. He would have been on the same as Weitering is on now with the #1 draft pick premium attached.

Scully was a poaching, again in his first contract as a #1 draft pick. He was all potential and had played well early.

I mean, do the maths here. How many are known to be or are expected to be on more coin than Tomlinson, how much was their salary cap and work from there.

 

[passmark]

I could be on crack as well.

The truth is it's double choc Tim Tams.

 

[Funk]

The DVB code is the one I can't crack........

I wish the **** someone could crack the DVR code and get him firing and playing seniors.

 

[Aphrodite]

I could be on crack as well.

The truth is it's double choc Tim Tams.

Espresso Martini Tim Tams or GTFO!

 

[Blue__Balls]

GWS players that missed their impressive win against the Dogs on the weekend include:

Ahern
Corr
Davis
Griffen
Haynes
Hoskin-Elliott
Marchbank
McCarthy
Pickett
Smith
Tomlinson
Kennedy
Stewart

They just have a stupid amount of talent...any one of those players would walk straight into our best 22.

That list is good enough to make up half a best 22 side and be a very good team.
Got plenty of KPDs, KPFs and mids in that group.

If we were to make a play for a few players on that list, I'd be hoping for:

Ahern
Hoskin-Elliott
Tomlinson

Ahern would obviously be subject to fitness, but based on the fact he'll reach the end of a 2-year contract with no senior games to his name, I reckon we could get him cheapish. Would add polish and penetration to our on-ball group.

Hoskin-Elliott seems to have fallen away in form and favour. The GWS forward line is bloody dangerous as is, so he'd hopefully be seen as surplus to needs. Slot him into our forward line as a Gunston/Breust-type.

Tomlinson has been discussed ad nauseum - clearly wants out, and would theoretically come cheap. Play him on a wing early with a view to push forward later in games and stretch opposition defences.

Reckon second-rounders are about right for each - so perhaps our second picks this year and next, as well as a downgrade of our first (4 for 7 - pick 4 means more to GWS if it gets them an extra player ahead of their academy picks). Hit the draft with pick 7 for the best midfielder we can get, and upgrade our third rounders if possible to get a few second round picks for sliders.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We might want to consider that the Silvagni relationship with GWS is over and sweet deals a thing of the past.

Wayne Campbell is the Giants general manager and former General Manager of Football for Richmond Craig Cameron is now their List Manager. I can foresee the Tigers getting the deals now.

 

[Jabba73]

We might want to consider that the Silvagni relationship with GWS is over and sweet deals a thing of the past.

Wayne Campbell is the Giants general manager and for General Manager of Football for Richmond Craig Cameron is now their List Manager. I can foresee the Tigers getting the deals now.

If they know what to look for. At least SOS knows the list and what to ask for, might be a little more expensive than last year or they may see what we ask for and then offer it to the Tigers under the same conditions. Might be some game playing going on during the next trade period.

 

[ParapMarkets]

I dont see pick 23 as overs for a player like Tomlinson.

Thats pretty similar to the Bell, Melksham trades...Tomlinson is AT LEAST equal to those 2 players, probably worth more based on potential and being a tall forward.

Historically a pick around 23 in the draft is very hit and miss. Id rather Tomlinson.

Pick 23 (turning into pick 28 or something after academy players) is more miss than hit. The odds of pick 28 being a gun player are quite low, if we play the percentages, then Tomlinson is more chance (imo) than whoever is selected at that pick.

As Coona pointed out, his last contract re-signing was done on the back of some very promising years, hopefully that $500K number is the case, because if he is on those dollars we should be able to get a pretty nice bargain by taking that off their payroll (and he will only have 1 more year on that money anyway).

 

[Keyza]

Yeah not likely and next you'll be saying they paid Scully a million bucks a season, Oh wait hang on

As likely as them hiring Scully's dad as a recruiter.

 

[Keyza]

Just heard that Yarran has been given indefinite leave from RFC.

I hope he gets the help he needs.
I guess this is Carlton's fault?

 

[Keyza]

Mumford
Shaw
Davis
Wars
Scully
Palmer
Johnson
Patful
Griffen

Makes you wonder how on earth they are under the salary cap.
Then again, the AFL have allowed them to retain the COLA (which is crap).

 

[1981]

Makes you wonder how on earth they are under the salary cap.
Then again, the AFL have allowed them to retain the COLA (which is crap).

And that's just the imports.
Doesn't include the awesome players they have accrued through the draft like Coniglio, Whitfield, Patton, Cameron, Kelly etc.

 

[Wickzki]

The players that they acquired through trade (e.g. Heath Shaw, Ryan Griffen) they got the other club to foot some of the bill on then others including Stevie J weren't going to get a gig elsewhere so they got them on the cheap to let them continue their career. They've been very, very smart.

It's not going to be until their next round of contracts that they'll be finding it hard to fit everyone in. But then they have so many more coming through that they'll just dish a few of them off like they allowed Treloar and Adams to the past couple of years.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Remember also that SOS was the one that negotiated Tomlinson's extension. He would know exactly what he is on.