News Brad Crouch decision (ADL chickenshit, decline to match, receive 23)

[pjcrows]

And the market has proven that no club was willing to give Brad the salary for a band 1 compensation pick

Correct.

 

[Scorpus]

When it comes to player salaries no one really knows.

I just reckon Kelly was basing his stance on what we pay our top paid players.

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Not sure about that.

I think we saw the deals clubs were offering to genuine star players and assumed Brad was in that category

We thought "yep, Brad Crouch, elite midfielder, easy $850k deals"

We missed the bit where Brad isn't an elite midfielder

 

[Mutineer]

If your 3rd line ruck can't beat Pickett maybe you're not as good as you think and your list has issues.

If they've rolled the dice list wise and it doesn't pan out, they have to wear it. There's no injury excuses.

Sorry I can't agree with your logic, Ryder when fit is a dominant ruck as well as a weapon around the ground and much the same applies to Rowan Marshall, not quite as dominant in the ruck but great around the ground and one of the most skilled ball users of the current AFL ruckmen.

Paul Hunter shouldn't have ever played AFL.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Not sure about that.

I think we saw the deals clubs were offering to genuine star players and assumed Brad was in that category

We thought "yep, Brad Crouch, elite midfielder, easy $850k deals"

We missed the bit where Brad isn't an elite midfielder

It's pretty clear Nicks knew exactly where Brad sat on the elite scale.

How does that fit into this?

 

[ABAB]

Not sure about that.

I think we saw the deals clubs were offering to genuine star players and assumed Brad was in that category

We thought "yep, Brad Crouch, elite midfielder, easy $850k deals"

We missed the bit where Brad isn't an elite midfielder

$850K is a certain band 1 compensation and B.Crouch isn't elite, he is a sold B+ midfielder and $750K would have gotten a band 1 compensation which Daniher received.

 

[Dogga]

Brad isn't worth Band 1, i accept that. What i can't accept is that Joe Daniher and Zac Williams ARE deemed worthy of Band 1.

If Band 1 is the answer for those 2, the wrong question is being asked.

 

[cleanhands]

Sorry I can't agree with your logic, Ryder when fit is a dominant ruck as well as a weapon around the ground and much the same applies to Rowan Marshall, not quite as dominant in the ruck but great around the ground and one of the most skilled ball users of the current AFL ruckmen.

Paul Hunter shouldn't have ever played AFL.

Pretty obvious after last night

 

[BRL121]

Brad isn't worth Band 1, i accept that. What i can't accept is that Joe Daniher and Zac Williams ARE deemed worthy of Band 1.

If Band 1 is the answer for those 2, the wrong question is being asked.

We've been through this many times before in this thread. Worthiness doesn't come into it, just the salary package paid by the acquirer.
I can't see any point in continually grinding our teeth here.

 

[ABAB]

Brad isn't worth Band 1, i accept that. What i can't accept is that Joe Daniher and Zac Williams ARE deemed worthy of Band 1.

If Band 1 is the answer for those 2, the wrong question is being asked.

They were both offered $100-150K more by the club to attract them and make sure the contract isn't match which is the point of FA so the $750-800K was enough to trigger the band 1 contract, Saints knew they only had to up the length of the contract and we wouldn't match since B.Crouch was after 2-3 more years on the same pay which we rightly weren't willing to offer.

 

[GameofSloanes]

And the market has proven that no club was willing to give Brad the salary for a band 1 compensation pick

Yep this is truth. Personally I think that he is good enough to earn that, but the market shows he isn't. If he played at a vic club maybe he would've due to the higher profile. The drugs thing could've cost us more than it cost him.
I still think he's better than Daniher and Williams though who did get band 1

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yeah Saints will improve when they have a competitive ruck again. Hunter isn't getting it done.

Indeed, like last week.... but it may be too late.

 

[Golumless]

they are missing Ryder & Marshall

I agree they're important, however surely they're not the difference between Saints being a finals side and once getting belted by 80 points repeatedly.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I agree they're important, however surely they're not the difference between Saints being a finals side and once getting belted by 80 points repeatedly.

The Saints player attitude has stunk for most of the year.

Apart from last week & against GWS.... just have not being putting in full effort.

 

[Sanders]

I agree they're important, however surely they're not the difference between Saints being a finals side and once getting belted by 80 points repeatedly.

how many teams succeed without a ruck man of any kind?

 

[spenze]

No 1 Ruckman and No.2 Ruckman out?

How do you reckon we'd look with no O'Brien and if you want to take it to the enth degree no Strachan?

Not to mention one of their better mids and ball users in Gresham who was averaging 28.5 disposals and 7 clearances a game before tearing his achilles early in round 3.

No ROB, not good, not good at all

No Strachan...picking up again

If ROB was injured, I'd rather we rucked with Billy. Strachan is a feel good story but I just think he's a step too slow to play AFL

 

[MRB37]

Not sure about that.

I think we saw the deals clubs were offering to genuine star players and assumed Brad was in that category

We thought "yep, Brad Crouch, elite midfielder, easy $850k deals"

We missed the bit where Brad isn't an elite midfielder

Don't think he was worried as much about the per year $ figure, more about how long the contract was. The #1 priority he had was getting a 5 year deal because of his injury history and that's where the Saints played us because they knew we had no intention of giving Brad that sort of lengthy deal (and also why our bluff on matching was foolish).

 

[marvin]

how many teams succeed without a ruck man of any kind?

The closest I can think of is the 2016 Bulldogs going through the finals wth the makeshift combination of Roughead and Boyd. Hard to think of another one.

 

[Sanders]

The closest I can think of is the 2016 Bulldogs going through the finals wth the makeshift combination of Roughead and Boyd. Hard to think of another one.

Boyd was as dominant a player as you could hope for in that series too

also he is 200cm and mobile as hell

 

[dogs105]

The closest I can think of is the 2016 Bulldogs going through the finals wth the makeshift combination of Roughead and Boyd. Hard to think of another one.

Yep, but Boyd is at least 6'6"

 

[Vhaluus]

I thought Sloane (Saints were very keen and given what they gave Hill and Hannebry) and Jenkins (Brisbane offer him more) signed on for lesser money? B.Crouch was already on $650K here, hence he was listed as a RFA and anyone would have thought the industry would have offer a RFA player $100-150K more to attract the FA player and to make sure the contract isn't matched. The problem was the Saints smartly knew we weren't going to match on length so they offer him the same money he was on with an extra 4th year and a clause for the 5th year which would have very easy target.

weren't going to match on length? we weren't going to match on anything.

We pushed Brad out the door.

Lets stop pretending the Saints maneuvered us with a super tricky offer that we couldn't match.

We simply didn't want Brad.

 

[Vhaluus]

its clearly not as simple as that though. We were played like the new in town rubes we were.

hard not to admire STK a little in retrospect

Admire them?

All they did was play it compeletely straightforward.

Lets not pretend they were playing 8D chess with us here.

They knew we didn't want Brad, they knew he had little real interest from other clubs, they paid what they had to in order to get him to sign and not a cent more.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Admire them?

All they did was play it compeletely straightforward.

Lets not pretend they were playing 8D chess with us here.

They knew we didn't want Brad, they knew he had little real interest from other clubs, they paid what they had to in order to get him to sign and not a cent more.

I wanted pick 2 as much as anyone else but truth is Brad is just not rated highly at all. Plenty in the media were saying this back then, I'm on board now. It's clear what Nicks thinks of him.

You're right, there was no conspiracy here, this is just the reality of how Brad is rated within the industry. No club was prepared to give a big deal.

Some still have their heart set on pick 2 or even a trade, the Daniher/Williams situations don't help. Time for everyone to move on.

 

[ABAB]

weren't going to match on length? we weren't going to match on anything.

We pushed Brad out the door.

Lets stop pretending the Saints maneuvered us with a super tricky offer that we couldn't match.

We simply didn't want Brad.

I'm sure there was news report we offered him 3 years (but that was before his indiscretion) but he wanted 5.

 

[ABAB]

I wanted pick 2 as much as anyone else but truth is Brad is just not rated highly at all. Plenty in the media were saying this back then, I'm on board now. It's clear what Nicks thinks of him.

You're right, there was no conspiracy here, this is just the reality of how Brad is rated within the industry. No club was prepared to give a big deal.

Some still have their heart set on pick 2 or even a trade, the Daniher/Williams situations don't help. Time for everyone to move on.

An additional $100K to get him over as a FA on top of $650K was very plausible, that's why Daniher and Williams received an additional $100-150K to get them over as a FA (Williams got more but that's Carlton for you......).

 

[Peter Doherty]

An additional $100K to get him over as a FA on top of $650K was very plausible, that's why Daniher and Williams received an additional $100-150K to get them over as a FA (Williams got more but that's Carlton for you......).

Who were they bidding against? Certainly wasn't us.