I actually don't see where Marty is coming from. The greatest football club I watched growing up...and I hated them because I was a Glenelg supporter was the Port Magpies, the real Port, not the plastic corporate shell they have evolved into. They went out each year expecting to win the flag, every year that was their plan. Not make the eight and anything can happen but we are going to win the flag. I actually feel a bit sorry for old time Magpie supporters who have transferred to the Power because the Maggies wouldn't have put up with Hinkleys shit. Now, there was no draft to even up the comp back then but it was an even comp, we all played by the same rules, you bought players and it wasn't like Port was the financial capital of the universe, in fact they may have been behind the eight ball more then in front of it but one thing they had was the belief that they had a squad good enough to win the flag. Christ knows they did it often enough, usually when my team was in the final against them and as much as it shitted me, I admired that strong belief. We aren't going to challenge for a flag whilst we think " eight and something will happen" or "lets tank this year". I don't mind us playing our kids, in fact I'd rather that than get Mookay to AFL life membership but if we do, the mentality has to be harder at the ball, run faster, more second efforts and at the end of the day, more goals because the goal of this club is to win flags, not to get number one draft picks.