Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Scotland]

we won't get anything for Starcevich going via free agency - how it was always going to end up.

So the net effect of Starcevich leaving as a free agent vs going into the PSD would be zero.

 

[Maboo]

It's in both teams interest to get this done. Make no mistake Brisbane are the ones being difficult. Holding out on the oscar free agency is the feather in the cap move

Source?

 

[Dom PC]

Only Brisbane and the AFL can do that. WC have no say in a contract offer Allen signs with another club.



Five late second round picks is worth about 1600 points. I believe the number of picks matching number of available list spots only comes in next year surprise surprise.

Anyway if you want to burn through your 2026 Rd 1 pick also go for it. Has nothing to do with WC or Starcevich.

Well that's a nonsense. WCE have a vested interest in what Brisbane are offering Allen... if you think they cant influence that then your not being serious.

Pick 19 + our 1st pick next year (which is likely to be late teens) plus a few late 2nd rd picks for pick 1.... everyone does that deal no matter what club you support... otherwise the bidding rules wouldn't be getting tighter.

I disagree...i think there is some intertwinedness here, otherwise we would have submitted out FA offer by now but time will tell!

 

[mpal6]

So the net effect of Starcevich leaving as a free agent vs going into the PSD would be zero.

Pretty much. If you manage to convince Allen to go elsewhere even tomorrow, Starce will net us zero as Draper's already in the bag for us.

 

[leighmo]

Pick 19 + our 1st pick next year (which is likely to be late teens) plus a few late 2nd rd picks for pick 1.... everyone does that deal no matter what club you support...

What?!

 

[juice568]

Source?

Refusing to lodge the paperwork for oscar. Pure pettiness

 

[briztoon]

Can’t take Starce and Allen with pick 1 in the PSD. Lions could play the same game. No one will touch Allen, the rest of the league would be more happy with that outcome as no compo pick diluting the draft. WCE losing out on pick 2 would be all time hahaha

Any club needing a key forward, that has room in the cap would take Allen, before he got to our pick.

I believe you underestimate other clubs not placing their self interest first. Melbourne, Essendon and Sydney would definitely take Allen before he go to our pick in the psd.

 

[mpal6]

Refusing to lodge the paperwork for oscar. Pure pettiness

He said Oscar's a priority and they are talking about Starcevich too in the process. I don't see any "oh we won't lodge paperwork" response there.

 

[Dom PC]

What?!

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Dan Annable is an academy player tied to us in this years draft (he's rated around pick 5). We can use multiple late picks to match a bid. We also get a 10% discount on whatever bid is used.

Lots of clubs would be interested in our future 1st rd pick. So we can use that to trade in more draft picks for this year to ensure we have enough points to match a pick 1 bid by WCE (which is the threat some WCE posters are making).

 

[uptheWC]

Sure, you'll be trading Allen with some other club at that point. We'll be out of picture as we won't have the currency to trade.

Starcevich became a factor only due to Allen free agency potentially triggering pick 2 for you. If Allen's out of picture then we won't get anything for Starcevich going via free agency - how it was always going to end up.

Yep because you won’t match our offer for him, which is why it’s in your best interests to make sure Allen hits band 1

 

[Section 5]

The Clubs will likely work something reasonably fair out in the end
If the deal gets done fine, but both clubs are running some risks with respective players.

However, because of the risks i would not care if both stayed where they are or found another club but that's unlikely

The Lions took a risk on Tom Doedee

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(2023 trade) on a good contract and to date has played just 1 AFL game due to injuries.

 

[juice568]

The Clubs will likely work something reasonably fair out in the end
If the deal gets done fine, but both clubs are running some risks with respective players.

However, because of the risks i would not care if both stayed where they are or found another club but that's unlikely

The Lions took a risk on Tom Doedee (2023 trade) on a good contract and to date has played just 1 AFL game due to injuries.

Brisbane are the ones not being reasonable at the moment. Will need to come to table by lodging the Allen free agency

 

[mpal6]

Yep because you won’t match our offer for him, which is why it’s in your best interests to make sure Allen hits band 1

Our best interests would lie in keeping the cap under control so we can retain the list we have and not go out of way to overpay - both for keeping our current players as well as getting new players to our list. This will be our biggest focus area and the reason why we are losing Ah Chee / Starcevich in the first place.

 

[Maboo]

Refusing to lodge the paperwork for oscar. Pure pettiness

Sorry I didn't hear anything about refusing to lodge paperwork, just normal posturing, and FA is open until Friday I believe.
Eagles will get pick 2, not sure what the Lions end up with. The pettiness part must be because it isn't going down how you think it should.

 

[Section 5]

Yep because you won’t match our offer for him, which is why it’s in your best interests to make sure Allen hits band 1

You have it the wrong way around regarding contract.
Below from the "Players Association"

 

[Shueygod]

You have it the wrong way around regarding contract.
Below from the "Players Association"

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He’s referring to a match of Starce.

 

[Section 5]

He’s referring to a match of Starce.

Possibly but uptheWC was replying to a post regarding Allen that did also mention Starcevich

Apologies if i mis read that post and the context that may have preceded it.

Both Allen and Starcevich are restricted free agents, so the process is the same for both.
Just a matter of when lodgments are made within the timeframes mentioned.
So, 24 hours is the first timeframe after reaching a signed agreement.
It would not surprise me that both contracts are made up but not signed until the Starcevich trade is agreed upon.
That's the way i see it anyhow. WC supporters may see it differently

 

[uptheWC]

Possibly but uptheWC was replying to a post regarding Allen that did also mention Starcevich

Apologies if i mis read that post and the context that may have preceded it.

Both Allen and Starcevich are restricted free agents, so the process is the same for both.
Just a matter of when lodgments are made within the timeframes mentioned.
So, 24 hours is the first timeframe after reaching a signed agreement.
It would not surprise me that both contracts are made up but not signed until the Starcevich trade is agreed upon.
That's the way i see it anyhow. WC supporters may see it differently

Yeah I was referring to our offer for Starcevich. With the Allen/Starce situations similar we might need to be clearer going forward lol.

I’d hope you’re right about that but the way both our list managers spoke earlier today that seems unlikely as of yet.

 

[Pns_blister]

Any club needing a key forward, that has room in the cap would take Allen, before he got to our pick.

I believe you underestimate other clubs not placing their self interest first. Melbourne, Essendon and Sydney would definitely take Allen before he go to our pick in the psd.

I respect, but reject your opinion. And to speak in absolutes (stating those clubs would definitely take him) about things you have no real knowledge of overestimates your own beliefs.

The most recent example of what was, at the time, a highly touted talent would suggest a fair amount of inaccuracy with what you are asserting.

Carlton selects Jack Martin in the Pre-Season Draft, ending months of speculation

Trade negotiations collapsed in October. But now the wait is finally over for Jack Martin

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Shueygod]

I respect, but reject your opinion. And to speak in absolutes (stating those clubs would definitely take him) about things you have no real knowledge of overestimates your own beliefs.

The most recent example of what was, at the time, a highly touted talent would suggest a fair amount of inaccuracy with what you are asserting.

Carlton selects Jack Martin in the Pre-Season Draft, ending months of speculation

Trade negotiations collapsed in October. But now the wait is finally over for Jack Martin

www.foxsports.com.au

Carlton had the third pick and Martin was not held in anywhere near as high regard as Allen at the time.

What a pointless comparison.

 

[Maboo]

Brisbane are the ones not being reasonable at the moment. Will need to come to table by lodging the Allen free agency

You keep throwing out assumptions, and that's all they are even though you seem to have convinced yourself that is what is happening

 

[Pns_blister]

Carlton had the third pick and Martin was not held in anywhere near as high regard as Allen at the time.

What a pointless comparison.

And Suns held a pick before them. So what? It happens in the draft all the time where kids refuse to travel.

Even bigger risk to take on a contract size as big as Allen’s, only for him to be unhappy at your club. Wouldn’t happen. Particularly with recent actions of high profile players on big money being disillusioned at their clubs.

Rocks in your head if you think a club is taking on 6 x 900k contract for a player they have done minimal background on and wants to play elsewhere

 

[leighmo]

And Suns held a pick before them. So what? It happens in the draft all the time where kids refuse to travel.

Even bigger risk to take on a contract size the one of Allen’s for him to be unhappy at your club. Wouldn’t happen, particularly with recent actions of high profile players on big money being disillusioned at their clubs.

Rocks in your head if you think a club is taking on 6 x 900k contract for player they have done minimal background on and wants to play elsewhere

Pretty sure Carlton traded with Suns in the national draft to make sure they wouldn’t pick him up early. He just had to go one pick more to make it to Carlton. Nowhere near as big of a gamble as hoping OA slips to pick 18.

This is all moot anyway. Brisbane won’t let a free agent slip to the psd when they can secure him for nothing.

 

[Scotland]

Both Allen and Starcevich are restricted free agents, so the process is the same for both.

Except that WC aren't looking to sign Starcevich as a free agent. So the process isn't really the same.

Just a matter of when lodgments are made within the timeframes mentioned.
So, 24 hours is the first timeframe after reaching a signed agreement.
It would not surprise me that both contracts are made up but not signed until the Starcevich trade is agreed upon.
That's the way i see it anyhow. WC supporters may see it differently

You are basically saying "unless you give us what we want for Starcevish we aren't lodging an offer for Allen".

Would not recommend.

 

[Mop]

So using this bonfire azq

Possibly but uptheWC was replying to a post regarding Allen that did also mention Starcevich

Apologies if i mis read that post and the context that may have preceded it.

Both Allen and Starcevich are restricted free agents, so the process is the same for both.
Just a matter of when lodgments are made within the timeframes mentioned.
So, 24 hours is the first timeframe after reaching a signed agreement.
It would not surprise me that both contracts are made up but not signed until the Starcevich trade is agreed upon.
That's the way i see it anyhow. WC supporters may see it differently

I don’t know if you watched the 6 or so minute extended clip from Matt Clarke our list boss today. He made it clear we aren’t considering Starc through FA, only via trade. Should the deadline lapse and say, no OA bid was lodged / be matched, we’d still be able to offer a trade or opt to cut ties and leave the ball in the Starcevich corner .

Your timeline doesn’t work in the present example.