Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

[jpfalvo]

So Luke Sayers is out?? Wtf

Nothing ground breaking here.

Tenure is up.

Board members as per the Carlton constitution have a maximum length. Nothing dramatic, total non story.



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[jpfalvo]

The constitution needs changing to separate years on the board of directors and years of presidency regardless of whether or not he himself will seek to change it.

Feels like Luke's gone before he's really gotten started.

This will not bode well for performance throughout the organisation.

What's the point?

He has been there long enough.

We dont need to change the constitution. Time to focus on fixing onfield and footy dept. not suring up board positions.

We are political enough without this meddling, which by the way, Luke Sayers tried to do in 2021 and was squashed by the threat of an EGM.

Sayers backed down on this and a few other pieces of constitution meddling.

Focus on footy.

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[jpfalvo]

If sayers is leaving this is pathetic. In the club's hour of need, when it gets tough, the typical consultant, heads to the exit. It seems very convenient, to take on the Presidency, for 2 yrs, when there is a convenient exit door called governance at the first sign of underperformance. I suspect if we were in the top 4, the constitution would have been bent so Luke Sayers could enjoy the spoils. We effectively have a terminal President and CEO, and a coach requiring support. That is not a blue print for success

Bent the constitution? I don't think its how it works.

Its actually a good thing that a long term board member tenure is up and its time for change.

MLG when he left, had his board tenure up as well. He handed over middle of his final year. Its not unusual and it shows we have a democratic process where power isnt centralised for years and years in the few.

Think about Luke Sayers past 12 years and what decisions he has been apart of.

He has see Ratten, Malthouse, Bolton, Teague and now Voss eras... we dont know his voting record... not published but we know we has been involved in multiple footy appointments, sackings and 5yr plan designs. Not good, not bad, just time is up in 2024

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[ferrisb]

If sayers is leaving this is pathetic. In the club's hour of need, when it gets tough, the typical consultant, heads to the exit. It seems very convenient, to take on the Presidency, for 2 yrs, when there is a convenient exit door called governance at the first sign of underperformance. I suspect if we were in the top 4, the constitution would have been bent so Luke Sayers could enjoy the spoils. We effectively have a terminal President and CEO, and a coach requiring support. That is not a blue print for success

Holy sheet MJ.

This is an absurdly hot take, even by your standards!

There's rules prohibiting him from staying longer and you're having a go for him not changing the rules so he can stay longer?

The rules are there to stop that exact kind of behaviour.

 

[jpfalvo]

Carlton fans halt unwanted constitutional alterations

“It’s a really big win for the members that the new constitution changes have come out without these power grab clauses."

www.zerohanger.com

For those that don't recall the mooted constitution changes of 2021, that got squashed

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[ferrisb]

The sky is falling on our heads.

How will we ever replace him with just 18 months to go? Or that we knew when he took over he only had three years to find a replacement...

We need to desperately change the constitution so that he has another 12 years to manage an orderly transition...

 

[Michael Jezz]

Holy sheet MJ.

This is an absurdly hot take, even by your standards!

There's rules prohibiting him from staying longer and you're having a go for him not changing the rules so he can stay longer?

The rules are there to stop that exact kind of behaviour.

Maybe we should have appointed Putin? President for life...

My point is 2 years ago, the club needed a new president with a tenure that delivered stability. Sayers should not have run. My point of view that you describe as "a hot take" is based on the negative outcome-a club without leadership and a coach without support

 

[passmark]

One thing about Carlton, we're not short of quality candidates from the business world.

Not sure if serious…

 

[HarryFlashman]

So going way early, to get in first, on freely available public knowledge is now a journalistic “scoop” what a muppet.

So Eddie is available, I have no doubt he could help get us to a GF (against the Pies) & then “unintentionally” sabotage us so we lose it - but I reckon he’d work hard to get us there

 

[Coops93]

Tbh I would like us to go external to the club for the next president. Just elevating someone from the board again feels like we're starting the cycle again.

 

[passmark]

I would prefer him than having a ‘token’ president to tick a box which is a real possibility with the current board…

Let’s hope Sayers had a big say with the transition…

Yeah, cos those fine upstanding men we’ve had in the role for 30 years have been fantastic!

 

[teagueyubeauty]

If sayers is leaving this is pathetic. In the club's hour of need, when it gets tough, the typical consultant, heads to the exit. It seems very convenient, to take on the Presidency, for 2 yrs, when there is a convenient exit door called governance at the first sign of underperformance. I suspect if we were in the top 4, the constitution would have been bent so Luke Sayers could enjoy the spoils. We effectively have a terminal President and CEO, and a coach requiring support. That is not a blue print for success

So I guess you’re in the yes camp if a change of constitution was brought forward to either extend years allowed on the board or split board of directors tenure from Presidential tenure?

Just remember though, it’s the members that vote on these constitutional changes and I seem to remember something similar losing a few years ago.


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[Michael Jezz]

So I guess you’re in the yes camp if a change of constitution was brought forward to either extend years allowed on the board or split board of directors tenure from Presidential tenure?

Just remember though, it’s the members that vote on these constitutional changes and I seem to remember something similar losing a few years ago.


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I don't believe in permanent tenure but you should not be allowed to assume the presidency with 2 years left. Maybe in that instance it has to go to members vote. I base my judgements on outcomes and the current process has not delievered in a time of need.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Tbh I would like us to go external to the club for the next president. Just elevating someone from the board again feels like we're starting the cycle again.

 

[jezzajay]

All I see from Tommy boys tweet is someone trying to be relevant and expose a chink in the Carlton armour that isn’t onfield. A-grade moron…

 

[Blue and Blue]

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Gives new purpose to the words, Royal Parade

 

[jj1978]

In the end it'll be 4 years which is sufficient. As long as the incumbent is skilled and capable for the role and has our clubs best interest at heart then so be it.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Gives new purpose to the words, Royal Parade

Princes Park, Royal Parade, Grumpy old King

 

[Broadside]

Is Sayers caught up in the PWC tax advisor scandal in any way? Was he in charge when that went down?

Edit yes he left in mid 2019 the tax leaks from what I read were 2013 to 2017. That doesn’t mean he had knowledge of it but perhaps it’s a good time to take a lower profile.

 

[Michael Jezz]

3 years and he said that when he first took the job. He's leaving after 2024.

I don't care what he said or what the process and governance rules are
The club needs long term stability in its leadership, now.
It is outcomes like losing Presidents, CEO's and Coaches after 3 years that result in our systemic failure

 

[Jeremias]

I don't care what he said or what the process and governance rules are

You may not care, but it completely invalidates the original criticism.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Just hope the future President has a full sweep of the board...

No more Pratts & Mathison's, controlling the club...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I don't care what he said or what the process and governance rules are
The club needs long term stability in its leadership, now.
It is outcomes like losing Presidents, CEO's and Coaches after 3 years that result in our systemic failure

As the article said, Sayers has been there for multiple coaches so he's been part of some bad and some good. We don't know who else is coming through. We had some short term appointments to steady the ship, now we move forward with fresh ideas.

I'm fine with it.

 

[athensblue]

Would be a good thing if Pres came out and said that no finals in 2023 is a failure

would certainly galvanise the group. Elephant needs to leave the room.

 

[David Sylvian]

TBH sayers has not been a roaring success, good to stabilise our club at each level but had some gaffs/fumbles along the way.
I am hoping that by the time his tenure has expired our footballing has improved markedly (AFLW AFL VFL VFLW). If it could start this weekend, many thanks.